Opinion Non-Crows AFL 8 - Daddy Donuts Delivers Dream Drubbing

[Punchy Bassett]

So jealous.......

 

[GROTTO]

It's not fun trolling Port supporters anymore given most now see how bad their club is.





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Its funny you mention this, I actually have pity for them, which is an even worse for their club.

Hatred and envy means you may be jealous of them, but pity on the other hand.

 

[rabidcrow]

Not a lot happening for Port. I think they are more a poor mans Hawthorn and Geelong. Trying to replicate their strategies to stay alive and in some ways buy premierships by luring players but both Geelong and Hawthorn lured star players where Port has failed to do so.

What they seem to be bringing in are at least younger or better versions of what they have. Nothing to suggest they should go backwards


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[weekend at bernies]

25. SAM HAYES

Age: 24, Games: 11, Contract ends: Out of contract

Returned to the Power’s side when injury again hit the ruck stocks, but it looks likely the Round 24 game against Richmond – in which he was subbed out of – will be his last. Good with his tap work, the Power have questions about his ability to get around the ground. Had a garbage bag full of stuff as he left Alberton on Monday.

Status: Likely to leave

wasn't there talk of St Kilda being interested in him.

 

[whattagun07]

25. SAM HAYES

Age: 24, Games: 11, Contract ends: Out of contract

Returned to the Power’s side when injury again hit the ruck stocks, but it looks likely the Round 24 game against Richmond – in which he was subbed out of – will be his last. Good with his tap work, the Power have questions about his ability to get around the ground. Had a garbage bag full of stuff as he left Alberton on Monday.

Status: Likely to leave

I know it happens every year but the imagery of a player leaving with a garbage bag is pretty grim

 

[GameofSloanes]

What they seem to be bringing in are at least younger or better versions of what they have. Nothing to suggest they should go backwards


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Or forwards

 

[Mutineer]

wasn't there talk of St Kilda being interested in him.

I don't know, Hayes right back to his draft days was always a very good tap ruckman, however right back to his draft days his endurance was heavily questioned and it seems all these years later that question is still to be answered.

 

[Mostyn]

Bergman? Would have him at the Crows in a heartbeat.

Yep, Bergman is good, that's fair enough.

 

[Sanders]

"THIS is not a gaslighting session."

Yeah, it pretty much is.

Client journalism doesn’t begin to cover it. Did Chris Davies just pen the article and hand it to Rooch?

 

[Owen_AFC97]

Client journalism doesn’t begin to cover it. Did Chris Davies just pen the article and hand it to Rooch?

Chris Davies must have been working overtime to get in the line about the Crows not winning a premiership for 25 years.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I know it happens every year but the imagery of a player leaving with a garbage bag is pretty grim

Could have at least given him a cardboard box.

 

[Bay62]

He's forgotten the "Choco for Baghdad" banners lol.

He’s also forgotten the fact that Choco actually won them a flag in less than 11 years

The whole “flags are hard to win, you wait a long time to get one” is exactly WHY they should replace Hinkley. They’re so hard to win you can’t just keep the same person for 13 years with the attitude of “any minute now…” - you’ve got to maximise every little chance. Like a home prelim - get someone in who can make the team mentally strong enough and with a decent game plan to win it

 

[El Doederino]

He’s also forgotten the fact that Choco actually won them a flag in less than 11 years

The whole “flags are hard to win, you wait a long time to get one” is exactly WHY they should replace Hinkley. They’re so hard to win you can’t just keep the same person for 13 years with the attitude of “any minute now…” - you’ve got to maximise every little chance. Like a home prelim - get someone in who can make the team mentally strong enough and with a decent game plan to win it

Yep

If I was a port fan, I’d rather try something new and fail, rather than keep going with what they’ve always had. It’s clearly not working.

But I think that’s the problem. They can’t afford to go backwards. Literally.

 

[Bay62]

Yep

If I was a port fan, I’d rather try something new and fail, rather than keep going with what they’ve always had. It’s clearly not working.

But I think that’s the problem. They can’t afford to go backwards. Literally.

Sunk costs + Koch’s ego = their current self-fulfilling dilemma

 

[Shuestar13]

Very good

Totally agree, Ken deserves more time, he needs another chance.

Despite all the protests from the agitators, Ken has a new contract and will be there next year. If they want to recruit all these players then he must stay. Recruits won’t come to an unstable club who sacks their coach ~6 weeks after re-signing them.

 

[Sanders]

I’ve said many times, Ken is a good coach with a good reputation around the league

He’s also been there so long he has to be getting a bit stale

Both things can be true.

 

[Jack McKraken]

I am trying to remember the full story

From what I can recall the AFL originally calculated the number of games to work out who was/wasn't eligible and someone over on the Port board went through the numbers and found that they didn't add up and worked out that the numbers the AFL used included Escort Cup games.

Somewhere along the way I'm pretty sure that the Gibbs family pushed behind the scenes with the SANFL to get Glenelg swapped (I think they swapped with Woodville/West Torrens) so that they were included as an AFC father son club.

Now this is the bit that never been totally pieced together, but I think that someone from the Port Bigfooty board told the PAFC about the discrepancy with the number of games and somewhere along the way Rucci despite knowing that Port had taken advantage of the calculation to get Brett Ebert decided to go to the AFL "seeking clarification" on the how the AFL calculated the games and why the Escort Cup games were included.

I have no idea whether it was due to panic because it was during the early Craig days where we were threatening for a flag and done out of fear that we were about to land a potential number 1 pick or whether it was done out of spite because Glenelg were removed from the Port F/S recuriting pool?

Either way Rucci did it in the hope that it would stop us from getting Gibbs.

REH rings a bell for the Port canary who sang

 

[Sanders]

I am trying to remember the full story

From what I can recall the AFL originally calculated the number of games to work out who was/wasn't eligible and someone over on the Port board went through the numbers and found that they didn't add up and worked out that the numbers the AFL used included Escort Cup games.

Somewhere along the way I'm pretty sure that the Gibbs family pushed behind the scenes with the SANFL to get Glenelg swapped (I think they swapped with Woodville/West Torrens) so that they were included as an AFC father son club.

Now this is the bit that never been totally pieced together, but I think that someone from the Port Bigfooty board told the PAFC about the discrepancy with the number of games and somewhere along the way Rucci despite knowing that Port had taken advantage of the calculation to get Brett Ebert decided to go to the AFL "seeking clarification" on the how the AFL calculated the games and why the Escort Cup games were included.

I have no idea whether it was due to panic because it was during the early Craig days where we were threatening for a flag and done out of fear that we were about to land a potential number 1 pick or whether it was done out of spite because Glenelg were removed from the Port F/S recuriting pool?

Either way Rucci did it in the hope that it would stop us from getting Gibbs.

The problem was that the afl worked backwards to get the answer it wanted

There was a set number of players that the afl wanted to be in the pool.

However many it was, let’s say 500 for arguments sake

It then drew up the criteria to achieve that pool size

It worked backwards to the get the answer “500” eligible that it wanted

Have done the calculations, it ruled that the calculation was 200 games for the Crows (and I think 150 for Port?)

However it turned out that the formula was wrong, and used the wrong calculation base. That’s what Rooch and co figured out.

So when it was written into rule, the answer is spat out was different - say 450 when you eliminated the preseason escort cup games

Now had that they known that at the time, the qualifying criteria would have been reduced to 175 (say) to achieve the original desired pool.

The objective was the original 500 players in the pool, if the formula needed to be adjusted then it would have been. At the time

Ross Gibbs was always intended to be in the eligible pool. It was an error by the calculation team who drafted the wording of the formula that eventually left him outside

It matters that the outcome came first and the formula second; because it was never intended to exclude Ross Gibbs and others

Now by the time of 2006 - which was considered to be maybe the greatest draft pool of all time, the superest of super drafts - we were still the the crowbots; and the league feared us.

Bryce Gibbs was being called the best junior anyone had ever seen by the likes of choco Williams etc

The idea of him being gifted to us made people sick

So when the formula error was discovered the league decided to double down.

The intention when drafting the rule was for a fixed number of eligible fathers which included Ross Gibbs

But that was set aside because they were going to gift us that when the chance error in the fornula was discovered

I think (?) that Tex Walker was already starting to cause ructions as a free player due to come to us the following year so that may not have helped either

But the denial of Gibbs as a F/S was not due to misreading the rule, it was due to an error in the drafting of the rule which was a negotiated outcome.

 

[George Kramer]

The best part is that the whole club administration at Alberton actually believes this........

The difference between ruthless and reckless: Some perspective for struggling Port supporters

Those who speak of the power of a fresh voice should beware of the sugar hits, writes Michelangelo Rucci.

www.sen.com.au

The thing is, has Rucci ever built a case for why Ken is a good coach and should keep his job?

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

He's forgotten the "Choco for Baghdad" banners lol.

And that banner was brought out AFTER he finally led them to a flag.

2006 I think it was after getting pumped at home vs the Bulldogs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The thing is, has Rucci ever built a case for why Ken is a good coach and should keep his job?

He's the official advisor to Kochie & doing a wonderful job ensuring Ken remains as coach...

 

[George Kramer]

He's the official advisor to Kochie & doing a wonderful job ensuring Ken remains as coach...

Given he actually writes for Port, how does he consider himself impartial?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Given he actually writes for Port, how does he consider himself impartial?

Surely you jest... you couldn't get a more impartial journalist... perhaps wirh the exception of Kornes.

 

[George Kramer]

 

[Punchy Bassett]

HAHAH Kochie on AA right now, long may this idiot reign!