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Which team will finish the 2024 season higher ranked?

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Gtowncrow said:
How can this dude keep his job???
A proven failure when the heat is on. Firstly, showed his incompetence by not observing the exact thing he's paid to do. He followed this with a deliberately arrogant decision to call the point due to his 100% surety. But most catastrophically, he then ignored the safety net of the review system resulting in significant consequences for several clubs but acutely, ours.

It's a disgrace that one could fail so badly and still be retained as a competent umpire.

It will be interesting to see if he gets an Adelaide game this year. If not, does that mean the AFL are scheduling particular umpires to particular games? This could be a Pandora's box of conspiracy!!
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You may sound harsh but I don't think he should be keeping his job either. Keays wasn't even the first time an important goal got called as a behind because he was too stubborn to review. Same thing happened to Danger in 2022.
 

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SC26 said:
You may sound harsh but I don't think he should be keeping his job either. Keays wasn't even the first time an important goal got called as a behind because he was too stubborn to review. Same thing happened to Danger in 2022.
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OMG... Is that the same umpire?
 
SC26 said:
You may sound harsh but I don't think he should be keeping his job either. Keays wasn't even the first time an important goal got called as a behind because he was too stubborn to review. Same thing happened to Danger in 2022.
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**** me. This bozo's highlight reel just gets better and better. How does he still have a job, seriously? In both cases he's backed himself 100% in cases that looked 50-50 in real time with a game on the line, and not only got it wrong, but has actively prevented anyone calling for a review to check by immediately signalling. Guy is hopeless.

Gtowncrow said:
How can this dude keep his job???
A proven failure when the heat is on. Firstly, showed his incompetence by not observing the exact thing he's paid to do. He followed this with a deliberately arrogant decision to call the point due to his 100% surety. But most catastrophically, he then ignored the safety net of the review system resulting in significant consequences for several clubs but acutely, ours.

It's a disgrace that one could fail so badly and still be retained as a competent umpire.

It will be interesting to see if he gets an Adelaide game this year. If not, does that mean the AFL are scheduling particular umpires to particular games? This could be a Pandora's box of conspiracy!!
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He's from Adelaide. So unless he's having every second week off, or the AFL is committed to flying him across the countryside every second week, it seems likely.
 
Sanders said:
No.
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It's ok to admit you're wrong.

You don't end up on average half a year younger and 10+ games on average less then even other bottom four sides without fully embracing it. That alone is irrefutable.

Resigning a coach with 10 wins to his name is the cherry on top because that indicates we weren't panicked about the lack of competitiveness in that stretch. Especially from a club who had historically been quick on the trigger on coaches.

Your boy Olsen has so far ran a pretty tight ship in this regard.
 
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Golumless said:
It's ok to admit you're wrong.

You don't end up on average half a year younger and 10+ games on average less then even other bottom four sides without fully embracing it. That alone is irrefutable.

Resigning a coach with 10 wins to his name is the cherry on top because that indicates we weren't panicked about the lack of competitiveness in that stretch. Especially from a club who had historically been quick on the trigger on coaches.

Your boy Olsen has so far ran a pretty tight ship in this regard.
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No.
 
Golumless said:
Most things indicates we did embrace it come the end of 2020. I do think we got a bit lucky with COVID however, and shaking someone like Dawson loose which did change the profile of our build - to the point where we really should be going all in by the end of the year.

However, look at our key decisions in 2020-2021:

Letting Crouch walk as a FA (as much as we read the room wrong).
Not retaining Talia.
Resigning Nicks to a contract extension off a 7 win season in 2021 and not sacking at the end of 2022 when he won 8 games with a better percentage.

All of those screamed we embraced it, especially not sacking Nicks come the end of 2022.

Heck this was our average match profile in 2022, which is our lowest point when it comes to age/experience: It's one of the lowest put up by a non-expansion side in the last decade, especially on the experience side and age is one of the more aggressive differentials between them and even other rebuilders.

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Which matches the list state:

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I do think there is a level with rebuilds that expectation doesn't meet reality, seeing it's just a list management exercise in knee capping a side for draft picks, ideally putting a team where their best isn't good enough. Not so much that teams will purposely lose for them.
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Where did you find the stats down the bottom? Not disputing them, quite the opposite. Haven't seen anything like that before.
 
SC26 said:
You may sound harsh but I don't think he should be keeping his job either. Keays wasn't even the first time an important goal got called as a behind because he was too stubborn to review. Same thing happened to Danger in 2022.
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There was also our game against Gold Coast last year where he cost us a goal because he hadn’t tucked his flags in properly.
 

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Interesting.

Brisbane in 2019 were 17th in average age (23.5) and 15th in average games (55.4) - Finished top 4 and made a prelim.
Port in 2020 were 12th in average age (24) and 5th in average games (69) and finished top and were a kick away from a granny.
Essendon in 2021 were 15th in average age (23.8) and 17th in average games (53.7) and finished 8th.
Fremantle in 2022 were 13th in average age (24.1) and 12th in average games (58.7) finished 5th and won a final.
GWS in 2023 were 12th in average age (24.2) and 14th in average games (58.5) and missed the grand final by a point.

We are entering the year 14th in age with average age of 24.3 years and 15th in experience with an average games of 61.6 games.

There can be absolutely no excuses based on our age or list profile. We have 11 first round picks in our squad and they are complimented by veterans who are all Australian quality (Walker, Laird, Crouch, Sloane*, Dawson).

We should be an absolute lock for the top 8.
 
AFC979810 said:
Interesting.

Brisbane in 2019 were 17th in average age (23.5) and 15th in average games (55.4) - Finished top 4 and made a prelim.
Port in 2020 were 12th in average age (24) and 5th in average games (69) and finished top and were a kick away from a granny.
Essendon in 2021 were 15th in average age (23.8) and 17th in average games (53.7) and finished 8th.
Fremantle in 2022 were 13th in average age (24.1) and 12th in average games (58.7) finished 5th and won a final.
GWS in 2023 were 12th in average age (24.2) and 14th in average games (58.5) and missed the grand final by a point.

We are entering the year 14th in age with average age of 24.3 years and 15th in experience with an average games of 61.6 games.

There can be absolutely no excuses based on our age or list profile. We have 11 first round picks in our squad and they are complimented by veterans who are all Australian quality (Walker, Laird, Crouch, Sloane*, Dawson).

We should be an absolute lock for the top 8.
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I agree, up to a point. Based on what happened in 2023 (when the only reason we didn't play finals was because Mr Magoo made a bad decision), combined with natural improvement from our significant list of younger players, we should make the finals.

However, we are massively reliant on a few individual players - notably Dawson, Tex, and ROB. Should one or more of these players be unavailable for long periods, due to injury, then all bets are off. Nick Murray is almost important enough to be on that list too, and we already know that he's going to be MIA for most of the season.
 
Vader said:
I agree, up to a point. Based on what happened in 2023 (when the only reason we didn't play finals was because Mr Magoo made a bad decision), combined with natural improvement from our significant list of younger players, we should make the finals.

However, we are massively reliant on a few individual players - notably Dawson, Tex, and ROB. Should one or more of these players be unavailable for long periods, due to injury, then all bets are off. Nick Murray is almost important enough to be on that list too, and we already know that he's going to be MIA for most of the season.
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So is that the only reason?
 
Vader said:
I agree, up to a point. Based on what happened in 2023 (when the only reason we didn't play finals was because Mr Magoo made a bad decision), combined with natural improvement from our significant list of younger players, we should make the finals.

However, we are massively reliant on a few individual players - notably Dawson, Tex, and ROB. Should one or more of these players be unavailable for long periods, due to injury, then all bets are off. Nick Murray is almost important enough to be on that list too, and we already know that he's going to be MIA for most of the season.
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Hang on a minute - How come you never responded to saying (one year ago) that you would have to have rocks in your head to think we could ever compete for a finals spot in 2023 or 2024?!?!?!

And edit - The Mr Magoo to blame is the head coach. Multiple games were lost by his coaching decisions....
 
Vader said:
However, we are massively reliant on a few individual players - notably Dawson, Tex, and ROB.
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Dawson and Tex - yes. ROB absolutely not.

Our fortunes in 2024 will follow Walker, Laird, Tex, Crouch, Dawson, Fog, Rankine and Rachele much more than it will follow ROB.

Ruck is the least important position on the footy field. As long as you don't do a 2009 elimination final Essendon - it really doesn't matter who is in there.
 
cleanhands said:
So is that the only reason?
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You could argue that umpiring also cost us one of the Collingwood losses, though those were far less certain - Dawson still would have needed to kick the goal after being decapitated, whereas in the Sydney game the ball had actually gone through the big sticks.

The simple fact is that we would have won that game if Mr Magoo hadn't intervened, and having won the game, we would have qualified for the finals.
 
AFC979810 said:
Dawson and Tex - yes. ROB absolutely not.

Our fortunes in 2024 will follow Walker, Laird, Tex, Crouch, Dawson, Fog, Rankine and Rachele much more than it will follow ROB.

Ruck is the least important position on the footy field. As long as you don't do a 2009 elimination final Essendon - it really doesn't matter who is in there.
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ROB is important not because he's a great ruckman (he's not), but because of the inadequacies of his replacements. The intra-club match showed us just how far ROB outclasses Strachan, and the other options are even weaker. Thus, losing ROB would have a massive impact on our chances of making the finals.
 
Vader said:
You could argue that umpiring also cost us one of the Collingwood losses, though those were far less certain - Dawson still would have needed to kick the goal after being decapitated, whereas in the Sydney game the ball had actually gone through the big sticks.

The simple fact is that we would have won that game if Mr Magoo hadn't intervened, and having won the game, we would have qualified for the finals.
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And if we had done a few things right during the season we may well have already been in the eight, to blame it on one instance is incorrect, it was one of many
 
cleanhands said:
And if we had done a few things right during the season we may well have already been in the eight, to blame it on one instance is incorrect, it was one of many
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Yes... we could have qualified for the finals if other things had happened differently, in other games.

That doesn't negate the fact that Mr Magoo cost us finals.
 
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