Oppo Camp Non Eagles AFL discussion thread II

[Hap Hapablap]

Bennell not retiring and blindsided by Lyon's comment at presser that he wouldn't be at Fremantle next year. Good old Ross, always either telling players they won't be getting contracts through the media or promising them contracts without talking to the football manager.

pretty disrespectful if you ask me

 

[DanWCE]

pretty disrespectful if you ask me

Same day his child was born. Good on ya Ross!

 

[campaigner___]

Bennell not retiring and blindsided by Lyon's comment at presser that he wouldn't be at Fremantle next year. Good old Ross, always either telling players they won't be getting contracts through the media or promising them contracts without talking to the football manager.

i feel a twitter rant brewing

 

[Tugga27]

From the HS this morning

"Brad Hill’s partner will return to Melbourne next year and the only question is whether the Dockers relent and allow him to return this year or next to be with her."

I don't know why certain players put up with this.
He could/should replace her in a nano second (assuming there are no kids involved).

 

[kane249]

From the HS this morning

"Brad Hill’s partner will return to Melbourne next year and the only question is whether the Dockers relent and allow him to return this year or next to be with her."

I don't know why certain players put up with this.
He could/should replace her in a nano second (assuming there are no kids involved).

Trade with Tim Kelly's wife and it would solve a lot of problems

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Lyon said in his media conference on Thursday that it was "unlikely [Bennell] will be with us next year".

The talented but injury-plagued Bennell - whose partner Amy gave birth to a baby girl on the same day – and his manager Colin Young were not told of the club's decision before the announcement.

Remember, Freo at least has some substance. They’re not a club that’s concerned with superficial rewards or the outward appearance of success. Good wholesome club with family values.

What’s this, the third time Ross has made somebody’s farewell announcement well before the player in question had been aware?

 

[Dazzler9]

From the HS this morning

"Brad Hill’s partner will return to Melbourne next year and the only question is whether the Dockers relent and allow him to return this year or next to be with her."

I don't know why certain players put up with this.
He could/should replace her in a nano second (assuming there are no kids involved).

Maybe because, you know, he loves her?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

From the HS this morning

"Brad Hill’s partner will return to Melbourne next year and the only question is whether the Dockers relent and allow him to return this year or next to be with her."

I don't know why certain players put up with this.
He could/should replace her in a nano second (assuming there are no kids involved).

quite the romantic you must be. Turns out that sometimes partners like making long term decisions together.

 

[Tugga27]

Maybe because, you know, he loves her?

And maybe, you know, she loves him!

It's his job that he's extremely well paid for and she's buggering off.

 

[Tugga27]

quite the romantic you must be. Turns out that sometimes partners like making long term decisions together.

I doubt he would've told her to go back and live in Melbourne.

 

[RookiePick]

Wayne Schwass opens up on his battle with depression during his playing days

Wayne Schwass: ‘This is what suicide looks like’

An audible wall of roaring cheers flooded from the stands and across the hallowed ground of the MCG, smashing into Wayne Schwass as he stood on a podium, a premiership medal draped around his neck.

www.news.com.au

Heavy stuff.

 

[twinkletoes#17]

And maybe, you know, she loves him!

It's his job that he's extremely well paid for and she's buggering off.

Or maybe he will need a good excuse to leave after crying family to come back to WA and she is taking one for the team being his excuse.

 

[Tugga27]

Seriously though, this "going home for family reasons" is getting out of control though.

Brad Hill is probably on $800 000 and the only problem he has, is his partner is homesick.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Seriously though, this "going home for family reasons" is getting out of control though.

Brad Hill is probably on $800 000 and the only problem he has, is his partner is homesick.

How is it out of control? Players are free to ask and clubs are free to hold them to their contract or get the best deal possible. If you think players are abusing that line to get clubs to trade them wherever they want to go, we saw with Tim Kelly last year that it doesn't just happen.

I'd say most of the time when a club decides to trade a player for 'unders' it's not only an issue of leverage, but because they know it's better to have players who want to play for you and that's a totally rational position to take too.

 

[Tugga27]

How is it out of control? Players are free to ask and clubs are free to hold them to their contract or get the best deal possible. If you think players are abusing that line to get clubs to trade them wherever they want to go, we saw with Tim Kelly last year that it doesn't just happen.

I'd say most of the time when a club decides to trade a player for 'unders' it's not only an issue of leverage, but because they know it's better to have players who want to play for you and that's a totally rational position to take too.

Kelly was pretty much a "one off" IMO.

There's way too much of it I think.
Tom Boyd going to the WB is a prime example.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Seriously though, this "going home for family reasons" is getting out of control though.

Brad Hill is probably on $800 000 and the only problem he has, is his partner is homesick.

If you scroll up a handful of posts you’ll see several people talking about the pressure they felt at various points in their lives and the need to remove themselves from certain situations. Earning a good salary doesn’t stop you from feeling certain things. Mental health problems don’t discriminate, it doesn’t quickly check your bank account before deciding you’re a suitable candidate. Somebody wanting to be closer to their family is a perfectly valid thing to want, but because their partner is a footballer they don’t get that?

If the partner wants to go home for family reasons and the player is happy to, what’s the issue? If the partner wants to go home but the player doesn’t want to, that’s for them to sort out privately. Who could possibly be annoyed at the off field lives of the partner of a footballer from a different team?

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Kelly was pretty much a "one off" IMO.

There's way too much of it I think.
Tom Boyd going to the WB is a prime example.

Well you can call it a one off to suit yourself but I don't think it proves the point you think it does. If anyone was going to argue 'family reasons' successfully you'd think it would be a mature age player with a family and kids who need a bit more family support than your average. It didn't happen that way.

In most of the cases where a player has got their way it's probably because the club doesn't think they'll get the best out of a player that doesn't want to be there.

HoneyBadger35 put it better than I can but if there's anything that's out of control it's a large section of the footy public who think they have a right to dictate the players' off-field lives.

 

[DanWCE]

From the HS this morning

"Brad Hill’s partner will return to Melbourne next year and the only question is whether the Dockers relent and allow him to return this year or next to be with her."

I don't know why certain players put up with this.
He could/should replace her in a nano second (assuming there are no kids involved).

quite the romantic you must be. Turns out that sometimes partners like making long term decisions together.

Strong username to post content correlation

 

[Tugga27]

If you scroll up a handful of posts you’ll see several people talking about the pressure they felt at various points in their lives and the need to remove themselves from certain situations. Earning a good salary doesn’t stop you from feeling certain things. Mental health problems don’t discriminate, it doesn’t quickly check your bank account before deciding you’re a suitable candidate. Somebody wanting to be closer to their family is a perfectly valid thing to want, but because their partner is a footballer they don’t get that?

If the partner wants to go home for family reasons and the player is happy to, what’s the issue? If the partner wants to go home but the player doesn’t want to, that’s for them to sort out privately. Who could possibly be annoyed at the off field lives of the partner of a footballer from a different team?

Let's not put every issue into the "mental heath category".
There's a big difference between someone who has depression and someone who's partner just wants to go home.

What about the integrity of signing contracts or has that gone out of the window?

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Let's not put every issue into the "mental heath category".
There's a big difference between someone who has depression and someone who's partner just wants to go home.

What about the integrity of signing contracts or has that gone out of the window?

Nothing happened to the integrity of contracts. Clubs are free to hold players to them.

Which club signed off on a trade against their will?

 

[Tugga27]

Nothing happened to the integrity of contracts. Clubs are free to hold players to them.

Which club signed off on a trade against their will?

You and I must have a different opinion on the word integrity then.
Integrity to me means that you honour the contract you've signed.
Not backing the club into a corner where they reluctantly trade a player.

You honestly think GWS wanted to release Tom Boyd?

 

[Keys]

Remember, Freo at least has some substance. They’re not a club that’s concerned with superficial rewards or the outward appearance of success. Good wholesome club with family values.

What’s this, the third time Ross has made somebody’s farewell announcement well before the player in question had been aware?

Seriously shit thing to do and as you say he has form when it comes to publicly announcing players are being delisted without them being told beforehand

I really do like that Simpson never gets engaged in contract talk and leaves it to the club to announce anything - when asked about Rawlings last week he only confirmed what was already public knowledge (north had approached Rawlings) even though he would have been fully aware that Rawlings was cleaning out his desk

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Let's not put every issue into the "mental heath category".
There's a big difference between someone who has depression and someone who's partner just wants to go home.

What about the integrity of signing contracts or has that gone out of the window?

When Brad Hill turns up to play for a Victorian side unbeknownst to Fremantle, let me know. If he ‘forces’ a trade, they will be compensated. I assume that your opinion on the issue also means you don’t want the Eagles pursuing Tim Kelly?

Rumours that someone’s partner wants to go home is not cause for concern. It’s a valid thing for someone to want, and it’s for the two people involved to sort out privately. We don’t own footballers, we don’t own their inner circle of friends and family. Just because they play in the public eye doesn’t mean that the inner workings of their lives need to be public, or that they/their partners don’t get to feel reasonable things like homesickness.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

You and I must have a different opinion on the word integrity then.
Integrity to me means that you honour the contract you've signed.
Not backing the club into a corner where they reluctantly trade a player.

You honestly think GWS wanted to release Tom Boyd?

I've honestly never thought about what 'the integrity of contracts' is.

Either party is free to ask to amend the contract and if they both agree then that's their business, not a third party like you or I.

 

[Tugga27]

When Brad Hill turns up to play for a Victorian side unbeknownst to Fremantle, let me know. If he ‘forces’ a trade, they will be compensated. I assume that your opinion on the issue also means you don’t want the Eagles pursuing Tim Kelly?

Rumours that someone’s partner wants to go home is not cause for concern. It’s a valid thing for someone to want, and it’s for the two people involved to sort out privately. We don’t own footballers, we don’t own their inner circle of friends and family. Just because they play in the public eye doesn’t mean that the inner workings of their lives need to be public, or that they/their partners don’t get to feel reasonable things like homesickness.

The clubs losing the contracted player rarely (not always) comes out in front IMO.

I was critical of Tim Kelly requesting a trade back home after being in Geelong for a year and
assuring them he would be OK to move interstate.