Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[faible]

half the kids move across to the other side of the country at 18 to the college they get accepted into on a scholarship

Well that is how it's different.

Very different culture to Australia. Kids here don't have to move away from their home if they're from a major city. Benefits of the vast majority of our population living in < 10 cities.

 

[andleanback]

It's not the same thing.

If you get a scholarship to play sport in the US you normally have more than one offer. The kids who move interstate in intercollegiate sports are generally the highly sought after ones. If you go interstate, it's because you want to and you can pick the place you think will support you best.

In that situation, you actually get to choose where you play, and if you don't like it after a year you can enter the transfer portal and change colleges provided another one is open to having you.
It's literally the opposite of getting drafted, where you have no choice of where to go for 2 years.

Well that’s not all true either. Usually the high sought after ones get the best offers from their home states and can stay close to home it’s the lower star recruits who have to move to every part of the country just to get a chance to go to university, those are also the type of athletes that will never be good enough to ever make it professionally either. And you couldn’t just enter the transport portal until recently, for many years you had to sit out a whole year of sport if you decided to move schools.

 

[frodos gardener]

I think the difference between Sheedy and Kennett is that Sheedy often has his tongue planted in his cheek when making a statement, Kennett normally has his foot there.

Sheedy also genuinely has a love for indigenous players, as footballers and as people. He is authentic in that, and it should be a big part of his legacy that he’s been a strong ambassador going way back. Kennett on the other hand has a heart with hate inside it. They couldn’t be more different.

 

[ant555]

How is it different in America, half the kids move across to the other side of the country at 18 to the college they get accepted into on a scholarship. So that’s literally the same thing, and most of them never make it to the nfl or nba to make a living off it.

It is different as they have already moved before they are in the system. The comparison would be how many kids drop out of college and go home. They are drafted at 20-22.

 

[andleanback]

It is different as they have already moved before they are in the system. The comparison would be how many kids drop out of college and go home. They are drafted at 20-22.

How many kids on sporting scholarships for basketball or football etc drop out or college drop outs in general? And a lot of nba players are 1 and done college players so they’re drafted at 19.

 

[jmoo wan]

my kids wont want to leave home when they are 18 - no way. It's because we are such great parents.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Mother of god, Norf, you have to stop. There's only so many tears I can drink and hours in a day to read your board and contemplate the irony of an out of control karma bus barrel-rolling across your sympathy thread. I can't keep up and may need to outsource my death riding to my kids and just get a daily summary

 

[isthisit13]

Mother of god, Norf, you have to stop. There's only so many tears I can drink and hours in a day to read your board and contemplate the irony of an out of control karma bus barrel-rolling across your sympathy thread. I can't keep up and may need to outsource my death riding to my kids and just get a daily summary

Don't get too excited. From what I read on their board, they're getting Butters and two first rounders.

 

[ant555]

I know it is drafts and trading but it is North so I will put it here.
North should do the deal in the end. JHF is not staying. North are going to be bottom 4 again.
Using 8 & 13 and not taking into account academy picks.
2021 Hobbs and Amiss
2020 Cox and Powell
2019 Serong and Day
2018 Thomas and Quaynor
2017 Coffield and Brander.
Now I know things can pan out many ways and one is pick is a future but it gives you an indication of hat they can get for him.
If they could split pick 1 into two fist round picks and go to the draft with three first round picks this year and then two next year personally I think they are better placed than having JHF even if he does stay.

 

[Lore]

Indigenous barrister, concussion lawyer to investigate Hawthorn

An Indigenous barrister and a King’s Counsel who is leading the AFL’s concussion probe are expected to be appointed to the panel that will investigate the Hawthorn scandal.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Nifft]

Indigenous barrister, concussion lawyer to investigate Hawthorn

An Indigenous barrister and a King’s Counsel who is leading the AFL’s concussion probe are expected to be appointed to the panel that will investigate the Hawthorn scandal.

www.theage.com.au

So the papers are done with us now and back onto Hawthorne?

 

[faible]

So the papers are done with us now and back onto Hawthorne?

The footy journos got their scalp, they're satiated for the moment.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

The footy journos got their scalp, they're satiated for the moment.

If this rate of resignations keeps up, there might be so little left to hire that I might be able to be CEO or senior coach.

 

[Harlequin]

If this rate of resignations keeps up, there might be so little left to hire that I might be able to be CEO or senior coach.

 

[doug85]

I know it is drafts and trading but it is North so I will put it here.
North should do the deal in the end. JHF is not staying. North are going to be bottom 4 again.
Using 8 & 13 and not taking into account academy picks.
2021 Hobbs and Amiss
2020 Cox and Powell
2019 Serong and Day
2018 Thomas and Quaynor
2017 Coffield and Brander.
Now I know things can pan out many ways and one is pick is a future but it gives you an indication of hat they can get for him.
If they could split pick 1 into two fist round picks and go to the draft with three first round picks this year and then two next year personally I think they are better placed than having JHF even if he does stay.

In your opinion, will JHF become a megastar (e.g. Dangerfield, Dusty level)?

 

[Happyskeret]

This is my favourite thread at the moment everything Non-Essendon.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Yep. If a 20-year-old kid can ply his trade with parents, siblings and cousins around then why shouldn't that be his right?

"If you want to play AFL" crap is exactly what is at the basis of this situation. As well as the "he comes from a good family" crap.

Goes to whether the draft, trade & FA is lawful. If it is, then it's reasonable for a 20 year old kid to ply his trade where he has been drafted.

For players the choice is then - can you live with the rules of the comp? If not.. don't nominate for the draft.

As a fan the choice that you need to make is what's more important to you: an even comp with good footy every weekend, or the rights of young players to play wherever they want. I don't reckon you can have it both ways. But maybe you can.

From your post - do you want no equalisation - or a much looser form of equalisation?

 

[mike ross]

This is my favourite thread at the moment everything Non-Essendon.

I come into this thread to get a break from Essendon being constantly in the news. It works

 

[Lore]

Are there any other clubs with a separate foundation that seems to be a vehicle for collecting donations to support its football programs? I would have thought donations to a not for profit sporting club would already be tax deductible

Access Denied — Geelong Cats Foundation

foundation.geelongcats.com.au

 

[Don Won]

Are there any other clubs with a separate foundation that seems to be a vehicle for collecting donations to support its football programs? I would have thought donations to a not for profit sporting club would already be tax deductible

Access Denied — Geelong Cats Foundation

foundation.geelongcats.com.au

I heard about one lunatic club with a ‘flight plan’ getting donations

 

[Lore]

I heard about one lunatic club with a ‘flight plan’ getting donations

Was that a separate ABN though?

 

[Don Won]

Was that a separate ABN though?

I see what you are saying. Not sure, but given the revenue was recorded in the P&L and balance sheet I suspect not (if I recall correctly).

 

[yodellinhank]

IIRC in order for FlightPlan™ donations to be tax deductible, they had to be paid to a government body and then Essendon's project nominated as a preferred project to receive the money (which wasn't guaranteed). Or donations could be made straight to the club however this method was not tax deductible.

 

[Lore]

IIRC in order for FlightPlan™ donations to be tax deductible, they had to be paid to a government body and then Essendon's project nominated as a preferred project to receive the money (which wasn't guaranteed). Or donations could be made straight to the club however this method was not tax deductible.

So not a separate ABN that might theoretically give things to the club in kind instead of in cash.

 

[yodellinhank]

So not a separate ABN that might theoretically give things to the club in kind instead of in cash.

At the least it wasn't one owned/operated by the club. It was a government (unsure if state or federal) grants scheme and you could only specify that you'd prefer the money spent on Essendon.

Not sure that any of that money was included in "flight plan donations" or if it formed part of the government contribution. You didn't get a brick.