Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[rumply]

Great sign for the Blues projecting forward.

 

[Lore]

Not often you get a green whistle on the ground

 

[TheUnicorn]

 

[yodellinhank]

Did we ever have a shot at Georgie Prespakis? Kicks both cats goals including clutch winner with under a minute to go.

 

[Lore]

Did we ever have a shot at Georgie Prespakis? Kicks both cats goals including clutch winner with under a minute to go.

She only landed at Geelong a year ago and was happy there by all reports, so I guess not.

Maybe after a couple of years when she feels like she’s repaid the faith or something… who knows.

 

[ant555]

The Geelong V Tigers game showed what happens when you go too defensive. It was a decent game to watch because they both just went hard all day but with both sides pushing their wings behind the footy scoring was always going to be difficult.

 

[Albertross]

Not often you get a green whistle on the ground

Watched the game, that was hard viewing.

 

[ant555]

I get that AFLW is not for everyone but why do we have to hear from the blokes putting it down because it is not at the mens level ?
Just don’t watch it.
It is what it is. You do not go to local footy and expect it to be at AFL level. If you accept that the level you are going to see will not be where mens footy is after 150 years and the comp is only seven years old at the top level then what you will see is fiercely competitive games of footy .

 

[Lore]

I get that AFLW is not for everyone but why do we have to hear from the blokes putting it down because it is not at the mens level ?
Just don’t watch it.
It is what it is. You do not go to local footy and expect it to be at AFL level. If you accept that the level you are going to see will not be where mens footy is after 150 years and the comp is only seven years old at the top level then what you will see is fiercely competitive games of footy .

Not sure if you're making a general statement or referring to Albertross' post above yours, but if the latter he's specifically talking about someone being injured on field the other night and it being hard to watch someone in that much pain

 

[ant555]

Not sure if you're making a general statement or referring to Albertross' post above yours, but if the latter he's specifically talking about someone being injured on field the other night and it being hard to watch someone in that much pain

General statement. Every year they ring the talkback stations. There where complaints as soon as AFLW was mentioned this morning.

 

[Lore]

General statement. Every year the ring the talkback stations.

Talkback is always good at platforming the fringes of society for the general outrage (and clicks!) it creates among those on the opposite fringe


As a concept I'm sure AFLW will continue to develop, although Nicole Livingstone's appearance on the Credit to the Girls (AFL Media) podcast a couple of months back was quite enraging to listen to. Never heard so much baldfaced bullshit in 20 minutes.

She was trying to sell the part-time, low wage nature of the league as some sort of advantage for the players as compared with the men. Later in the same pod they asked about the possibility of a 17 round season where everyone plays each other once and her response to that was to redefine a 'full season' as being 10 rounds Like if the league legitimately can't afford to do it, or if it's aspirational for 2030 or 2050, or if there is something else that needs to happen first, just say so? No need to make up bullshit like the current situation is somehow your ideal world.

Similar thing the other day with the current push to play more AFLW games at Marvel, and they respond by talking about having a balance of "boutique" grounds and professional standard stadiums. What the **** is "boutique"? More corporate bullcrap. Even with the male players, if you look at AFLX with it's funky rules, pre-season games on the "boutique" grounds, or even some of the small interstate/Sunday games for premiership points with Channel 7's B team – in those instances you have boys playing at the same grounds, with the same television production values, crowd numbers, level of media hype, as the AFLW. Maybe that's a clue?


This is why I keep going on about Mahoney's ABC podcast. It's the first time in eons that someone wearing an Essendon polo has answered every question as honestly as possible, including the hard ones, instead of corporate mumbo jumbo.

 

[Drummer_19]

General statement. Every year they ring the talkback stations. There where complaints as soon as AFLW was mentioned this morning.

It's the way of the world, no one can just let people enjoy the thing they like without having to insert the fact that they don't like it or want to put it down. I have basically zero interest in it myself, but if other people like it, or it opens a pathway for a new audience to become engaged in the game and identify with those athletes (which I've definitely seen with a niece of mine) I think that's pretty dope.

 

[ant555]

Talkback is always good at platforming the fringes of society for the general outrage (and clicks!) it creates among those on the opposite fringe


As a concept I'm sure AFLW will continue to develop, although Nicole Livingstone's appearance on the Credit to the Girls (AFL Media) podcast a couple of months back was quite enraging to listen to. Never heard so much baldfaced bullshit in 20 minutes.

She was trying to sell the part-time, low wage nature of the league as some sort of advantage for the players as compared with the men. Later in the same pod they asked about the possibility of a 17 round season where everyone plays each other once and her response to that was to redefine a 'full season' as being 10 rounds Like if the league legitimately can't afford to do it, or if it's aspirational for 2030 or 2050, or if there is something else that needs to happen first, just say so? No need to make up bullshit like the current situation is somehow your ideal world.

Similar thing the other day with the current push to play more AFLW games at Marvel, and they respond by talking about having a balance of "boutique" grounds and professional standard stadiums. What the * is "boutique"? More corporate bullcrap. Even with the male players, if you look at AFLX with it's funky rules, pre-season games on the "boutique" grounds, or even some of the small interstate/Sunday games for premiership points with Channel 7's B team – in those instances you have boys playing at the same grounds, with the same television production values, crowd numbers, level of media hype, as the AFLW. Maybe that's a clue?


This is why I keep going on about Mahoney's ABC podcast. It's the first time in eons that someone wearing an Essendon polo has answered every question as honestly as possible, including the hard ones, instead of corporate mumbo jumbo.

Maybe I am not reading the Tea leaves properly but I personally think we would get 8000 to 10000 at Marvel against the Victorian teams.
In an ideal world we would play a split between Marvel for the games we play against the Vic sides and WH for the others.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I treat AFLW like I do AFLM.
The pre game waffle means nothing to me and I'm just ready for the game to start.


I do wish that AFLM players played games at these suburban grounds.

Seeing the AFLW players play at different grounds that harken back to the grounds played at before I was born has me wishing the men did likewise.
More of that please.

And, in response to Lore mentioning Nicole's corporate wank speak, I'd rather have the honest treatment than to have shit be on my plate and the AFL calling it cake.
We already have the blokes talking the corporate wank speak.
We don't need the ladies doing likewise.

Just piss all of that off please.

 

[faible]

Talkback is always good at platforming the fringes of society for the general outrage (and clicks!) it creates among those on the opposite fringe


As a concept I'm sure AFLW will continue to develop, although Nicole Livingstone's appearance on the Credit to the Girls (AFL Media) podcast a couple of months back was quite enraging to listen to. Never heard so much baldfaced bullshit in 20 minutes.

She was trying to sell the part-time, low wage nature of the league as some sort of advantage for the players as compared with the men. Later in the same pod they asked about the possibility of a 17 round season where everyone plays each other once and her response to that was to redefine a 'full season' as being 10 rounds Like if the league legitimately can't afford to do it, or if it's aspirational for 2030 or 2050, or if there is something else that needs to happen first, just say so? No need to make up bullshit like the current situation is somehow your ideal world.

Similar thing the other day with the current push to play more AFLW games at Marvel, and they respond by talking about having a balance of "boutique" grounds and professional standard stadiums. What the * is "boutique"? More corporate bullcrap. Even with the male players, if you look at AFLX with it's funky rules, pre-season games on the "boutique" grounds, or even some of the small interstate/Sunday games for premiership points with Channel 7's B team – in those instances you have boys playing at the same grounds, with the same television production values, crowd numbers, level of media hype, as the AFLW. Maybe that's a clue?


This is why I keep going on about Mahoney's ABC podcast. It's the first time in eons that someone wearing an Essendon polo has answered every question as honestly as possible, including the hard ones, instead of corporate mumbo jumbo.

I dislike that they try to constantly pump up everything AFLW as somehow positive.

Like, we know that they play at smaller local grounds because the crowds they draw are smaller. It's quite fine to admit that, and that one day the hope is that the crowds are big enough that multiple games - or all games - are played at the bigger grounds. But meanwhile the local ground offers an accessibility that the major stadiums don't. Similar reason to why wandering down the watch the VFL has a different feel, more of a local community.

This kind of marketing-corporate BS wankfest is what gives people the shits. Like how in the first season of AFLW the commentators were obviously told to pump up the skills despite them being demonstrably not good. Don't tell us the skills are great when our eyes are seeing poor skills. The skills have dramatically improved year-on-year as we see girls coming in who've been able to play football through their teenage years, and as the game becomes increasingly professional they'll continue to improve. It'll never be the same as the men's game, which isn't a bad thing, just different.

One thing that doesn't change is that seeing that Red and Black jumper beating Hawthorn is enjoyable no matter the players wearing it.

 

[citizen-erased]

General statement. Every year they ring the talkback stations. There where complaints as soon as AFLW was mentioned this morning.

it'd be nice the talkback stations told them f.off and find something better to do with their time....then be better at whatever that is cos they're not as good as someone else doing it. So why should we put up with them doing so.

I dislike that they try to constantly pump up everything AFLW as somehow positive.

Like, we know that they play at smaller local grounds because the crowds they draw are smaller. It's quite fine to admit that, and that one day the hope is that the crowds are big enough that multiple games - or all games - are played at the bigger grounds. But meanwhile the local ground offers an accessibility that the major stadiums don't. Similar reason to why wandering down the watch the VFL has a different feel, more of a local community.

This kind of marketing-corporate BS wankfest is what gives people the shits. Like how in the first season of AFLW the commentators were obviously told to pump up the skills despite them being demonstrably not good. Don't tell us the skills are great when our eyes are seeing poor skills. The skills have dramatically improved year-on-year as we see girls coming in who've been able to play football through their teenage years, and as the game becomes increasingly professional they'll continue to improve. It'll never be the same as the men's game, which isn't a bad thing, just different.

One thing that doesn't change is that seeing that Red and Black jumper beating Hawthorn is enjoyable no matter the players wearing it.

standard for anything fledgling.
it may be marketing-corporate BS, but if you don't give the oxygen it needs early, people will lose interest and it will lose momentum and fall by the way-side.

Did it with AFLX, did it with the stand-rule, mic'd up umpires, etc. etc.
promotion 101.

 

[faible]

standard for anything fledgling.
it may be marketing-corporate BS, but if you don't give the oxygen it needs early, people will lose interest and it will lose momentum and fall by the way-side.

Did it with AFLX, did it with the stand-rule, mic'd up umpires, etc. etc.
promotion 101.

Plenty of things to talk up without simply lying.

They play a super-tough contested brand of football, talk about that, when it was all 'look how great the skills are' followed by 3 missed handballs and a shanked kick (so basically how the Essendon men's side play) then people get over the hype very quickly.

They toned it down in S2 and were a lot more honest in how the play was called which was a positive IMO. The skilled players are skilled and were called as such, the bad disposals were called bad. The work-rate, the defensive efforts to tackle and spoil, the hits, they've been the hallmarks of AFLW games that should be getting pumped up.

Those girls are seriously tough and hit hard. Our men's side could learn from them.

 

[citizen-erased]

Plenty of things to talk up without simply lying.

They play a super-tough contested brand of football, talk about that, when it was all 'look how great the skills are' followed by 3 missed handballs and a shanked kick (so basically how the Essendon men's side play) then people get over the hype very quickly.

They toned it down in S2 and were a lot more honest in how the play was called which was a positive IMO. The skilled players are skilled and were called as such, the bad disposals were called bad. The work-rate, the defensive efforts to tackle and spoil, the hits, they've been the hallmarks of AFLW games that should be getting pumped up.

Those girls are seriously tough and hit hard. Our men's side could learn from them.

commentator hyperbole. It isn't just limited to AFLW. I think it's a general broadcaster thing. And a lot of is individual style. I find Underwood is prone to it when she calls AFLW (or AFL...cant recall if she still does both). Much like BT & Luke Darcy. They go over the top to make the inane sound exciting. i.e. the fawning over a regulation mark or 30m zero pressure pass when Bont executes one, but it's part of the package with TV commentary teams. they're trying to fill the void of anything truly exciting happening until something does.

Tends to be that with some inane chatter about stuff not relating to the game (also not exclusive to AFL, quite common with F1 and EPL too)

 

[faible]

commentator hyperbole. It isn't just limited to AFLW. I think it's a general broadcaster thing. And a lot of is individual style. I find Underwood is prone to it when she calls AFLW (or AFL...cant recall if she still does both). Much like BT & Luke Darcy. They go over the top to make the inane sound exciting. i.e. the fawning over a regulation mark or 30m zero pressure pass when Bont executes one, but it's part of the package with TV commentary teams. they're trying to fill the void of anything truly exciting happening until something does.

Tends to be that with some inane chatter about stuff not relating to the game (also not exclusive to AFL, quite common with F1 and EPL too)

A bit like how everything Daniel Rioli does is THE BEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN ON A FOOTBALL FIELD

 

[citizen-erased]

A bit like how everything Daniel Rioli does is THE BEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN ON A FOOTBALL FIELD

yes, much like that.

 

[Darealrath]

Watching some of the AFLW over the weekend I got really nervous about the potential for someone to get seriously injured. Seems to be a lot more 'clumsy' looking tackles and bumps. I say 'clumsy' because they don't look malicious, and I think this should decrease over time as the players get more experience and those joining the league have more experience coming in in terms of how to protect themselves and their opponents while still going in hard.

 

[MiguelM]

I get that AFLW is not for everyone but why do we have to hear from the blokes putting it down because it is not at the mens level ?
Just don’t watch it.
It is what it is. You do not go to local footy and expect it to be at AFL level. If you accept that the level you are going to see will not be where mens footy is after 150 years and the comp is only seven years old at the top level then what you will see is fiercely competitive games of footy .

The standard has certainly got better this year and will continue to improve with top level coaching etc.

I see it like Woman's surfing, was unwatchable 15 years ago (for me) but has improved so much now.

 

[rumply]

Max making his debut for the Arkansas Razorbacks this weekend.

 

[rumply]

Dad remembered to pack his thongs

 

[jmoo wan]

Max making his debut for the Arkansas Razorbacks this weekend.

Please be a Fletcher dick pic , please be a Fletcher dick pic , please be a Fletcher dick pic