Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

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cant wait for an out of contract Jye Menzie to be the dealbreaker to get the harley reid trade over the line.

Dodo's final move was genuis!
 

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DallasCrane316 said:
Mitch Cleary just said a bunch of GWS players have copped suspensions for poor behaviour at their end of season party. Nothing illegal but apparently inappropriate. Wonder who.
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not jake stringer!
 
Bunk Moreland said:
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Take out the offsets for Port…
Pick 13 -/- 2025 First Round
Pick 36 -/- Pick 39
Pick 50 -/- Pick 58

They’ve traded a 2x All Aust player under contract for Lukosius, Richards, Atkins and pick 29.

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The excuse apparently was "GC threatened to trade pick 13 directly to Collingwood without involving Port".

I don't understand how Port felt pressured when they had the 2X AA player with 3 years to run on his contract. Could have told Collingwood to figure it out or he stays.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
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Take out the offsets for Port…
Pick 13 -/- 2025 First Round
Pick 36 -/- Pick 39
Pick 50 -/- Pick 58

They’ve traded a 2x All Aust player under contract for Lukosius, Richards, Atkins and pick 29.

🤯
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&Atkins and Lukosius were salary dumps (last time they did a salary dump they gave the side Pick7)
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Atkins and a was going to be a dfa owies somehow making two massive trades is surely taking the piss?

West coast we offer 4 first rounders for Harley reid
Nah **** off mate, need to give us 1 more first and Martin as well or forget about it!
How about jye ****ing menzie?
DONE!
 
Bunk Moreland said:
View attachment 2142851

Take out the offsets for Port…
Pick 13 -/- 2025 First Round
Pick 36 -/- Pick 39
Pick 50 -/- Pick 58

They’ve traded a 2x All Aust player under contract for Lukosius, Richards, Atkins and pick 29.

🤯
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How can you exclude the offsets when they traded themselves into this year's first round from which they were otherwise excluded? It's what Melbourne had been doing for ages, trading out future firsts and then dealing back in.

It gets them into a stronger draft and gets a player into the system a year quicker.

Lukosious is valuable player, isn't he? When did everyone stop rating him? They clearly rate Richards.

They've turned 1 player into 4 or 5 for the next few years, haven't they? They have Sinn to replace Houston in a best 22.

I believe Kane Cornes believes in what he is saying but he's overreacting and is wrong.
 
Josh Jenkins last night on SEN said that Blues must have identified a player they want to have traded up to 3. But then said what if that player is then not available?? Well Josh they’ve clearly identified that there’s at least three good players that they would be happy with. Other two guys he was on with didn’t call him out either.
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Josh Jenkins last night on SEN said that Blues must have identified a player they want to have traded up to 3. But then said what if that player is then not available?? Well Josh they’ve clearly identified that there’s at least three good players that they would be happy with. Other two guys he was on with didn’t call him out either.
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The point isn’t to produce quality, it’s to get you listening to that crap and probably a bunch of ads
 

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And now West Coast's path to that West Aussie kid opens up.

Pundits and fans need to wait at least until the end of trade period before jumping up and down about these deals.

JayJ20, reading Bo Allan's profile suggests he is a player with elite attributes that could provide star power to a side. I'm not saying that is a guarantee that he will be one of the best players in the draft but it's a a significant factor in making a decision like this. We saw it previously when West Coast essentially chose Ginby and Hewett over Sheezel or Wardlaw.

Allan reads as something of a Josh Weddell, 6'3, aggressive, long kicking and with lots of power and athleticism, who knows how to play midfield (or at least more than Weddell did). He could provide that dynamic from half back. If Allan was Matthew Johnson, for example, I think it would be a harder thing to justify - not because Johnson isn't / wont be a solid player but because they would pretty clearly be losing out on potential elite talent.

It is not a strategy without risk. Someone could take Allan or he might be a bust. But at least the latter factor is no less a potential issue if they used #3. I've done a bit more reading and Allan would provide West Coast with a very well balanced set of midfield options in order of recruitment:

1. Chesser, a 184cm generalist, who can in his own ball but has speed to be dangerous spreading from the context, something like Caldwell or Shuey;

2. Ginby, a 191cm West Aussie meat axe, who is very aggressive, physical and athletic in the mould of Elliott Yeo or maybe more Jarrod Berry as a style of player;

3. Hewett, a 184cm West Aussie whose strengths are speed and breaking from congestion, running with the ball generally and footskills, in the mould of a Rozee or Chad Warner;

4. Reid, a 187cm prodigy;

5. Hall, a 6'3 West Australian inside specialist and accumulator thinking something between Will Brodie and Jack McRae;

6. Allan, 6'3 another West Australian and an explosive ball carrier and aggressive contested player.

Culley might be another big body who specialises in the contested side of the game. I'd be very happy with that as a set of options.
 
BrunoV said:
And now West Coast's path to that West Aussie kid opens up.

Pundits and fans need to wait at least until the end of trade period before jumping up and down about these deals.

JayJ20, reading Bo Allan's profile suggests he is a player with elite attributes that could provide star power to a side. I'm not saying that is a guarantee that he will be one of the best players in the draft but it's a a significant factor in making a decision like this. We saw it previously when West Coast essentially chose Ginby and Hewett over Sheezel or Wardlaw.

Allan reads as something of a Josh Weddell, 6'3, aggressive, long kicking and with lots of power and athleticism, who knows how to play midfield (or at least more than Weddell did). He could provide that dynamic from half back. If Allan was Matthew Johnson, for example, I think it would be a harder thing to justify - not because Johnson isn't / wont be a solid player but because they would pretty clearly be losing out on potential elite talent.

It is not a strategy without risk. Someone could take Allan or he might be a bust. But at least the latter factor is no less a potential issue if they used #3. I've done a bit more reading and Allan would provide West Coast with a very well balanced set of midfield options in order of recruitment:

1. Chesser, a 184cm generalist, who can in his own ball but has speed to be dangerous spreading from the context, something like Caldwell or Shuey;

2. Ginby, a 191cm West Aussie meat axe, who is very aggressive, physical and athletic in the mould of Elliott Yeo or maybe more Jarrod Berry as a style of player;

3. Hewett, a 184cm West Aussie whose strengths are speed and breaking from congestion, running with the ball generally and footskills, in the mould of a Rozee or Chad Warner;

4. Reid, a 187cm prodigy;

5. Hall, a 6'3 West Australian inside specialist and accumulator thinking something between Will Brodie and Jack McRae;

6. Allan, 6'3 another West Australian and an explosive ball carrier and aggressive contested player.

Culley might be another big body who specialises in the contested side of the game. I'd be very happy with that as a set of options.
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Weddle is the player I was thinking of when i saw Allan play, very powerful kid. Only thing is I heard some say he turns it over a bit much and the first and only time I saw him his first possession was a horrid turnover through the middle.
 
BrunoV said:
And now West Coast's path to that West Aussie kid opens up.

Pundits and fans need to wait at least until the end of trade period before jumping up and down about these deals.

JayJ20, reading Bo Allan's profile suggests he is a player with elite attributes that could provide star power to a side. I'm not saying that is a guarantee that he will be one of the best players in the draft but it's a a significant factor in making a decision like this. We saw it previously when West Coast essentially chose Ginby and Hewett over Sheezel or Wardlaw.

Allan reads as something of a Josh Weddell, 6'3, aggressive, long kicking and with lots of power and athleticism, who knows how to play midfield (or at least more than Weddell did). He could provide that dynamic from half back. If Allan was Matthew Johnson, for example, I think it would be a harder thing to justify - not because Johnson isn't / wont be a solid player but because they would pretty clearly be losing out on potential elite talent.

It is not a strategy without risk. Someone could take Allan or he might be a bust. But at least the latter factor is no less a potential issue if they used #3. I've done a bit more reading and Allan would provide West Coast with a very well balanced set of midfield options in order of recruitment:

1. Chesser, a 184cm generalist, who can in his own ball but has speed to be dangerous spreading from the context, something like Caldwell or Shuey;

2. Ginby, a 191cm West Aussie meat axe, who is very aggressive, physical and athletic in the mould of Elliott Yeo or maybe more Jarrod Berry as a style of player;

3. Hewett, a 184cm West Aussie whose strengths are speed and breaking from congestion, running with the ball generally and footskills, in the mould of a Rozee or Chad Warner;

4. Reid, a 187cm prodigy;

5. Hall, a 6'3 West Australian inside specialist and accumulator thinking something between Will Brodie and Jack McRae;

6. Allan, 6'3 another West Australian and an explosive ball carrier and aggressive contested player.

Culley might be another big body who specialises in the contested side of the game. I'd be very happy with that as a set of options.
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The nuffies went off half cocked? Say it ain’t so
 
BrunoV said:
And now West Coast's path to that West Aussie kid opens up.

Pundits and fans need to wait at least until the end of trade period before jumping up and down about these deals.

JayJ20, reading Bo Allan's profile suggests he is a player with elite attributes that could provide star power to a side. I'm not saying that is a guarantee that he will be one of the best players in the draft but it's a a significant factor in making a decision like this. We saw it previously when West Coast essentially chose Ginby and Hewett over Sheezel or Wardlaw.

Allan reads as something of a Josh Weddell, 6'3, aggressive, long kicking and with lots of power and athleticism, who knows how to play midfield (or at least more than Weddell did). He could provide that dynamic from half back. If Allan was Matthew Johnson, for example, I think it would be a harder thing to justify - not because Johnson isn't / wont be a solid player but because they would pretty clearly be losing out on potential elite talent.

It is not a strategy without risk. Someone could take Allan or he might be a bust. But at least the latter factor is no less a potential issue if they used #3. I've done a bit more reading and Allan would provide West Coast with a very well balanced set of midfield options in order of recruitment:

1. Chesser, a 184cm generalist, who can in his own ball but has speed to be dangerous spreading from the context, something like Caldwell or Shuey;

2. Ginby, a 191cm West Aussie meat axe, who is very aggressive, physical and athletic in the mould of Elliott Yeo or maybe more Jarrod Berry as a style of player;

3. Hewett, a 184cm West Aussie whose strengths are speed and breaking from congestion, running with the ball generally and footskills, in the mould of a Rozee or Chad Warner;

4. Reid, a 187cm prodigy;

5. Hall, a 6'3 West Australian inside specialist and accumulator thinking something between Will Brodie and Jack McRae;

6. Allan, 6'3 another West Australian and an explosive ball carrier and aggressive contested player.

Culley might be another big body who specialises in the contested side of the game. I'd be very happy with that as a set of options.
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Did you hear Cornes on SEN bagging them for picking Ginby the other day? Ridiculously early call to make. just because Daicos/Reid/Ashcroft/Sheezel have had an immediate impact doesnt mean all draftees do.
From what I have seen of GInby he looks like he has a lot of upside and would love a guy like him at Essendon.
 
joey_jo_jo said:
Did you hear Cornes on SEN bagging them for picking Ginby the other day? Ridiculously early call to make. just because Daicos/Reid/Ashcroft/Sheezel have had an immediate impact doesnt mean all draftees do.
From what I have seen of GInby he looks like he has a lot of upside and would love a guy like him at Essendon.
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He’s just saying that shit because ragebait gets engagement. If people stop tuning into that low rent slop you’ll get better quality content
 
BrunoV said:
And now West Coast's path to that West Aussie kid opens up.

Pundits and fans need to wait at least until the end of trade period before jumping up and down about these deals.

JayJ20, reading Bo Allan's profile suggests he is a player with elite attributes that could provide star power to a side. I'm not saying that is a guarantee that he will be one of the best players in the draft but it's a a significant factor in making a decision like this. We saw it previously when West Coast essentially chose Ginby and Hewett over Sheezel or Wardlaw.

Allan reads as something of a Josh Weddell, 6'3, aggressive, long kicking and with lots of power and athleticism, who knows how to play midfield (or at least more than Weddell did). He could provide that dynamic from half back. If Allan was Matthew Johnson, for example, I think it would be a harder thing to justify - not because Johnson isn't / wont be a solid player but because they would pretty clearly be losing out on potential elite talent.

It is not a strategy without risk. Someone could take Allan or he might be a bust. But at least the latter factor is no less a potential issue if they used #3. I've done a bit more reading and Allan would provide West Coast with a very well balanced set of midfield options in order of recruitment:

1. Chesser, a 184cm generalist, who can in his own ball but has speed to be dangerous spreading from the context, something like Caldwell or Shuey;

2. Ginby, a 191cm West Aussie meat axe, who is very aggressive, physical and athletic in the mould of Elliott Yeo or maybe more Jarrod Berry as a style of player;

3. Hewett, a 184cm West Aussie whose strengths are speed and breaking from congestion, running with the ball generally and footskills, in the mould of a Rozee or Chad Warner;

4. Reid, a 187cm prodigy;

5. Hall, a 6'3 West Australian inside specialist and accumulator thinking something between Will Brodie and Jack McRae;

6. Allan, 6'3 another West Australian and an explosive ball carrier and aggressive contested player.

Culley might be another big body who specialises in the contested side of the game. I'd be very happy with that as a set of options.
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It's all well and good if you consider the deal they made was the only way they could get themselves in a position to grab a pick that gives them access to Bo Allan.

Barrass+F3rd out for 14+F2nd- Was offered, they rejected.
Baker+24 in for 14 - Baker OOC, Tigers fold and accept, they have no choice.

2 year draft hand is...

2024 - 3, 24, 26 - Baker in, Barrass out
2025 1st, 2nd, 2nd (Hawks)

Now if they really want Bo Allan, they go to blues and trade 3 for 12, F1st, 34 and Owies (Blues paid this)

12, 24, 26, 34
2025 - 1st, 1st(Blues), 2nd, 2nd(Hawks)

There is no world where you can justify what they've done, they have butchered their trade period.
 
What the Tigers are doing, albeit late (Taranto and Hopper was a mess), is what West Coast should've done and what Collingwood is refusing to do.

Collingwood trading away their future for Houston smells of West Coast and Tim Kelly.
 
Milanista28 said:
It's all well and good if you consider the deal they made was the only way they could get themselves in a position to grab a pick that gives them access to Bo Allan.

Barrass+F3rd out for 14+F2nd- Was offered, they rejected.
Baker+24 in for 14 - Baker OOC, Tigers fold and accept, they have no choice.

2 year draft hand is...

2024 - 3, 24, 26 - Baker in, Barrass out
2025 1st, 2nd, 2nd (Hawks)

Now if they really want Bo Allan, they go to blues and trade 3 for 12, F1st, 34 and Owies (Blues paid this)

12, 24, 26, 34
2025 - 1st, 1st(Blues), 2nd, 2nd(Hawks)

There is no world where you can justify what they've done, they have butchered their trade period.
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You should email that to them along with your CV
 

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