Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[Old Campaigner]

Fining a black dude for dressing up as a black character seems ****ing stupid, unless there was something completely inappropriate with the skit he did. I don't even know why he'd ask permission given his background.

 

[Mercurial89]

I partly agree. he has at least shown a little bit of character and awareness of the situation. if he hadn't been fined, I think it would have been fine. but if you're going around asking for permission, I reckon that's probably a good sign to just leave it at home. i guess the wacky wednesday talent show was a Very Big Deal and they didn't want to rock up without a hilarious skit.

I think the fact punishment was received colours the commentary on asking for permission.

He did the mature thing, understanding that whilst a character that is cool and well received in a movie that it's source material could be offensive. He then queried with relevant parties who may be offended and was given blessing.
We smack sportsman for not thinking all the time, he's actually thought through it and taken steps to do the right thing, gets slapped with a fine anyway.

I'm not sure where we are if we are punishing that type of thing.
Now dressing up as sex offenders, rapists, a white person doing black face are all things I totally understand punishments being handed down. Role models and all that, though Im not demanding punishments for what is stupid behaviour, those for public people can't be let slide.

But that Idun one bothers me, that's losing sight of what the actual issues with this are.
Off the top of my head id liken it to someone dressing up as a religious figure, if they checked with those that may take offense would we still punish them?

 

[Mercurial89]

Fining a black dude for dressing up as a black character seems ****ing stupid, unless there was something completely inappropriate with the skit he did. I don't even know why he'd ask permission given his background.

The skit was the slaves wrestling scene, so I can see the avenue to why it may have come about.

I just disagree entirely with it.

 

[BrunoV]

How do you get penalised for a 9/11 skit?

Or do these ******s think jet fuel can melt fire proofed iron beams?

 

[Blind Turn]

How do you get penalised for a 9/11 skit?

Or do these ******s think jet fuel can melt fire proofed iron beams?

Or office fires can fell building 7 into its own footprint at near free-fall speed when jet fuel wasn’t even a factor? But we could go on…

 

[Call Me Cake]

Despite what you think about how it happened, lives were lost and that should be respected.

 

[crackers65]

Stringer will be right at home with these blokes.

 

[BrunoV]

Despite what you think about how it happened, lives were lost and that should be respected.

And every rubbish official claim about why and how it happened should be mocked until they can be honoured with the truth.

 

[faible]

And every rubbish official claim about why and how it happened should be mocked until they can be honoured with the truth.

Bruno please.

 

[Corleone]

Stringer will be right at home with these blokes.

Oh come on ...

It's just a couple of jokes that was supposed to be private amongst mates. I get that nothing feels better for people than the feeling of moral superiority over people and judging others, but if we can stop the hand wringing, pearl clutching for just a moment we might be able to get over this atrocity.

 

[JayJ20]

Or office fires can fell building 7 into its own footprint at near free-fall speed when jet fuel wasn’t even a factor? But we could go on…

And every rubbish official claim about why and how it happened should be mocked until they can be honoured with the truth.

And Larry Silverstein happened to be absent that morning along with his son and daughter even though they all worked there every day.

But yeah nothing to see...

 

[rumply]

Oh come on ...

It's just a couple of jokes that was supposed to be private amongst mates. I get that nothing feels better for people than the feeling of moral superiority over people and judging others, but if we can stop the hand wringing, pearl clutching for just a moment we might be able to get over this atrocity.

Personally, just reading about their actions, I'm scarred for life. Luckily there was a hero present who managed to know what the right thing to do was.

 

[Pweter]

What the **** have I walked into this morning?

 

[rumply]

What the **** have I walked into this morning?

Just the usual

 

[mike14]

Ignoring everything else, if you made as much an AFL player why wouldn't you just hire your mate as bartender for the day, do a massive Dan Murphys run and hold your event at your house where everyone has to leave their phone at the door and you can guarantee privacy?
You know your actions will be scrutinised to the nth degree, so just avoid a situation where they can be...

 

[yodellinhank]

Ignoring everything else, if you made as much an AFL player why wouldn't you just hire your mate as bartender for the day, do a massive Dan Murphys run and hold your event at your house where everyone has to leave their phone at the door and you can guarantee privacy?
You know your actions will be scrutinised to the nth degree, so just avoid a situation where they can be...

'til someone opens up your cupboard full of baby oil?

 

[mike14]

'til someone opens up your cupboard full of baby oil?

Not investing in internal locks is a poor life choice!

 

[BrunoV]

And Larry Silverstein happened to be absent that morning along with his son and daughter even though they all worked there every day.

But yeah nothing to see...

Definitely don't look into that insurance scenario either.


There is a less told story about Marsh (i.e. the insurance company) which is just as alarming. It called a meeting the morning of. I think it was about 200 employees and they were going to address a number of issues relating to billing large scale billing anomalies, insider trading and a stack of other problems which likely placed billions of dollars on the line. The executive who ran the meeting just happened to dial in, another Silversetein story. One of the planes struck the levels occupied by Marsh.

There is a guy called Richard Grove, who happens to have an amazing podcast, Grand Theft World, which is a 6 to 8 hour long wrap of the weeks news placed into historical context, who became a whistle blower (and who was widely ignored) because the Marsh meeting had been called to address a number of issues he raised. He was on his way to that meeting when he got stuck in traffic. He wasn't from Marsh, he was employed by a software company that was developing a system he believes could be used to manipulate stock trading and which was likely used to transfer assets from Marsh clients as 9/11 happened or in the aftermath. And we do know that there was a lot of ****ery that happened with global stock markets immediately prior to, during and after 9/11, that is not in dispute.

His story is fascinating. Why do I believe him, that he is not another Silverstein, and not the version the Marsh executive has never been asked to give? Grove, who I believe is something close to a genius level intellect, was on the path to being a corporate high flyer, he came across billing anomalies that put him on a path to enquiry because he personally stood to gain a $1m commission from the work being done and he wanted his commission. He gave his pre-9/11 life up to become an amateur historian, 'conspiracy theorist' and is now basically a prepper and teaches prepping (he calls it his autonomy courses). He has a profile of someone I find believable because he has gained nothing from the occurrence unlike the, what was it, $5b Silverstein gained from the event.

By the way, I don't know exactly what to make of the planes basically flying into the Marsh meeting room. That may well just be a coincidental part of the whole story. Or Operation Northwoods may provide an insight into what really happened. I genuinely don't have an opinion either way.

 

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