Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[Purple Jesus]

Good to see the entire Sydney squad is in the leadership group again...

 

[Van_Dyke]

Good to see the entire Sydney squad is in the leadership group again...

better then most of the GWS leadership group being younger then the 'emerging leaders' group at least

 

[Kapow!!!]

Good to see the entire Sydney squad is in the leadership group again...

Considering one of the biggest criticisms of their Grand Final defeat was a spectacular lack of on-field leadership, it would seem they've gone with the "More is More" school of thought. Let's see if it pays off

 

[holybishop]

He's recycling his old material

We should be concerned when he pulls out the metal coathangers

 

[SHill Shall]

Mitch Robinson

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, with a very independent mindset, says Brisbane has the best midfield in the AFL.

Its no doubt very strong Mitch, but how about we let them play for a couple of months before gobbing off?

 

[freo1]

The reason no one really gives a f*** is because so many kids Ginnivan's age are doing exactly the same thing with very little negative impact. It's not an AFL issue, it's a societal issue - and in my humble opinion it's not really an issue at all.

yes but most kids Ginnivan's age arent on several hundred thousand dollars a year, and havent been thoroughly and exhaustively educated on these matters

 

[Bender571]

What worries me is what is mixed in with the drugs ?. Some shite things being mixed in.

Alcohol is a major problem, but at least you are aware of what shite is in the bottle.

Didn't Collingwood have 2 players a few years ago test positive to a performance enhancing substance that they claimed was in the drugs they took at a music festival?

 

[Taylor]

Didn't Collingwood have 2 players a few years ago test positive to a performance enhancing substance that they claimed was in the drugs they took at a music festival?

Lachlan Keeffe and Josh Thomas claimed clenbuterol was in their steak, yes. It was more likely to be in their cocaine. NY currently has an issue with fentanyl lacing their cocaine.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

One of their mothers was apparently on the radio in Melbourne y'day citing the Pies culture as problematic and ruining her sons career.

I feel for her but I'd be surprised if it was anything less than degrees of use being different at different clubs. Some will be worse than others but I'd be stunned if it was absent from any for the reasons outlined above. Its everywhere in society so it'll be in and around all clubs too.

 

[Ge3ks]

Lachlan Keeffe and Josh Thomas claimed clenbuterol was in their steak, yes. It was more likely to be in their cocaine. NY currently has an issue with fentanyl lacing their cocaine.

Yeah that fentanyl shit is killing lots of people. I wouldn't be touching any drugs that either didn't come from a pharmacy or I didn't see grown from the ground with my own two eyes.

 

[Square Peg]

One of their mothers was apparently on the radio in Melbourne y'day citing the Pies culture as problematic and ruining her sons career.

I feel for her but I'd be surprised if it was anything less than degrees of use being different at different clubs. Some will be worse than others but I'd be stunned if it was absent from any for the reasons outlined above. Its everywhere in society so it'll be in and around all clubs too.

Some posters on the pies board are claiming she was another fake mother like the woman that rang up claiming to be an Essendon player's mother in the Dank scandal, who turned out to be a fake. Did she sound legit to you?

 

[CapitalA]

yes but most kids Ginnivan's age arent on several hundred thousand dollars a year, and havent been thoroughly and exhaustively educated on these matters

The "they earn so much money" argument that gets thrown around when a player does something of poor character is so dumb.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

Some posters on the pies board are claiming she was another fake mother like the woman that rang up claiming to be an Essendon player's mother in the Dank scandal, who turned out to be a fake. Did she sound legit to you?

I didn't hear it SP, a mate of mine in Melbourne did and I think I saw something on one of the news sites about it but I didn't hear it so I can't say one way or the other.

I think the fake Mum thing would be easy as hell to lean on and anyone doing it given there are 2 clear examples within the timeframe she's suggesting is possibly being overly dismissive.

 

[SupermanCapes]

The "they earn so much money" argument that gets thrown around when a player does something of poor character is so dumb.

Agree, but I'd also query whether doing bumps of coke really qualifies as "something of poor character".

I know plenty of people who are a fair bit older than young Jacko G who don't mind hitting the bags on the odd weekend and are leading their various professions with stable and enviable home lives. I also have run into plenty of people who have had a few too many nose beers out and about who I would rather steer clear of.

Much like having a glass of red and knocking off a block of Export aren't both just "drinking", there are shades of grey all through the concepts of drug use.

For what it's worth, I don't really like coke so this isn't me looking to defend a lifestyle. I just think issues around addiction are a public health issue, not a criminal issue, and should be treated as such.

 

[freo1]

The "they earn so much money" argument that gets thrown around when a player does something of poor character is so dumb.

How so? with more money comes more responsibility. Any demands in any job become higher when you earn more. If you sign on for the big contract you're agreeing to standards imposed by that contract. I'm not saying that people dont make mistakes, but if you're going to accept the money and conditions, then that's all part of it. To compare Ginnivan to any other 20 year old in the country highly short-sited. To just fall back and say "oh it's because he's young", is childish at best. These young men and women are supremely educated in all this and know all the risks and repercussions.

Listen to former Wildcats captain Damien Martyn and they knew flat out, if they got caught DUI or the like (as they were sponsored by road safety), their contract would be ripped up. Equally they were told by the CEO that they would be supported, but if they made this choice, contract would be terminated. I'm not saying we should go this far, but clearly defined rules and punishments make everything easier.

Also, i dont believe what he has done is "something of poor character" as you say. i cant judge his character as i dont know him. He's just made a very poor choice, which based on his level of knowledge and education is heightened.

 

[Fyfster]

Mitch Robinson, with a very independent mindset, says Brisbane has the best midfield in the AFL.

Its no doubt very strong Mitch, but how about we let them play for a couple of months before gobbing off?

If his fantasy football efforts from last year are anything to go by not a great judge. A genuine easy beat.

 

[Dump Truck]

Much like having a glass of red and knocking off a block of Export aren't both just "drinking", there are shades of grey all through the concepts of drug use.

You're right. One is glorified grape juice and the other is the nectar of the Gods

 

[SupermanCapes]

So Geelong and Hawthorn are playing 8 x 30-minute "quarters" plus time on. More than two full games of footy back to back. Even acknowledging that it will turn into a VFL game at half time, that's wild.

 

[gaskin]

Not AFL but the WAFL are back to doing the idiotic thing and moving the GF back to Optus. The 2 that have been at suburban grounds have been resounding successes and garnered universal praise and have been great for local businesses. Instead we are moving back to a ground that is shit for WAFL and will be a quarter full.

WAFL Grand Final Returns to Optus Stadium in 2023

The West Australian Football Commission can confirm this year’s WAFL Grand Final will be staged at Optus Stadium on Sunday September 24. The WAFC Board confirmed the showpiece match will return to the venue having considered a number of factors. WAFC Chief Executive Michael Roberts welcomed the...

www.wafootball.com.au

 

[Purple Jesus]

Don't ever change AFL.

Draft slider in R1 mix for Pies after strong pre-season

A draft slider, Ed Allan is building towards an early-season debut for the Magpies

www.afl.com.au

 

[gaskin]

This is shit if it goes through.

The Melbourne Cricket Club is locked in sensitive negotiations with Collingwood to update a long-standing deal that has given the Magpies exclusive rights over reserved seating for members in the Ponsford Stand for both home and away games.

The agreement has upset other tenant clubs Richmond, Hawthorn and Melbourne with the Tigers and the Hawks forced to relocate their reserved seat members when playing home games

Those clubs argue that their capacity to service their members is compromised and that the agreement potentially stops the MCG being a full house when they play a home game against Collingwood if seats they might be able to fill are left vacant by Magpie members.They want the agreement amended in a way that would allow their reserved seat holders to sit in the Ponsford Stand in home games they play against Collingwood at the MCG.

Frustration has been growing among those clubs about the pace of negotiations as they want a deal locked in by mid-year so they can plan for 2024 with Tigers’ CEO Brendon Gale saying the away game entitlements in the deal was “no longer acceptable”.

The other tenants have been lobbying for a change for the past decade with industry sources saying the MCC notified the Magpies five years ago that the agreement needed to be modernised during 2023, so it could take effect next yea

Collingwood and the Tigers have been arch rivals on the field during that period with both teams competing for top four spots and attracting big crowd

Carlton, which are likely to play home game blockbusters against Collingwood in front of big crowds, during this decade, are also keen for an update in the agreement, although they were not an original tenant at the MCG

Melbourne, with former Collingwood CEO Gary Pert now at the Demons, did not want to commen

New Collingwood CEO Craig Kelly and president Jeff Browne have been getting up to speed with where the agreement sits, determined to ensure a modernised agreement works for the club and have moved to inform Legends and Club 5 members that the deal expires at the end of this y

Kelly told The Age the Magpies were prepared to engage in productive talks over the issue to obtain an agreement that works for their members but say the contribution they made to the economic viability of the stadium as a result of them committing to the MCG when leaving Victoria Park should not be forgotten by clubs critical of the agreemen

“Collingwood moved from Victoria Park to the MCG and the deal Eddie McGuire and the board devised was one to support the redevelopment and the long-standing growth of the MCG. We were the founding tenant club and we brought all our members across,” Kelly sai

“We wanted our people to have their home and their seats, and it was consistent for them and they felt like they were still at Vic Park all those years, because we helped drive the economics of that stadium whereas clubs such as Carlton and Essendon went to what is now Marvel Stadiu

“We are now in negotiations and working through with the MCC and, ultimately, we will work with the other clubs and the AFL to get an outcome that works importantly for our members but especially with Richmond and the issues they have got with our arrangemen

When contacted by The Age, MCC CEO Stuart Fox confirmed mature discussions were happening between the MCC and relevant clubs, but he could not comment further due to his commercial in confidence obligation

Other sources said that Richmond, with their huge membership base and growing attendances in the past 10 years, are the most affected by the current deal and have made their views clear to the MCG over a long period of time however the other tenant clubs also support the push to amend the agreemen

Tigers CEO Brendon Gale said he understood why the Magpies did the deal, but he had been open and transparent with Collingwood that he would keep pressure on the MCC to update the agreement to ensure their members were treated fai

“We have got thousands of reserved seat members that have to get up and move and vacate their reserved seats when we play a home game against Collingwood,” Gale sa

“There is the inconvenience which impacts their match day experience and the value of that membership but there is also a financial aspect to it as wel

“We are a club that has been at the MCG since 1965 and have been pulling millions of supporters through the gates. We have a huge connection with this ground and in the interests of fairness we would like this addressed as it is no longer acceptable

Collingwood’s away game entitlements sees them also retain the same dressing rooms at the MCG regardless of whether they are the home or away team, which is different to what happens when other tenant clubs play each othe

Many of the reserved seat packages Collingwood sells to members in the Ponsford Stand ensure guaranteed seats at the grand final if the Magpies make the decide

It means that despite some games being sold out there are empty seats available at Collingwood away games in the Ponsford Stand that other tenant clubs believe would be filled if the agreement was amend

Other sources suggested clubs such as Hawthorn or Melbourne might have benefited at times from Collingwood having the away entitlements when they had a home game against the Magpies at the MC

Clubs are increasingly aware of the vital importance of stadium deals to their bottom line with the AFL also keen that club growth is not restricted by agreements that don’t reflect the competition’s changed circumstance

Collingwood will play a Friday night home game against Richmond at the MCG in round three.

‘No longer acceptable’: Rival clubs fume at Collingwood’s hold on MCG seats

Collingwood are engaged in sensitive discussions with the MCG to modernise a long-standing agreement that has forced Richmond reserved seat holders to move when playing a home game against them.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Square Peg]

Don't ever change AFL.

Draft slider in R1 mix for Pies after strong pre-season

A draft slider, Ed Allan is building towards an early-season debut for the Magpies

www.afl.com.au

Cool, the Derby medal is now named after a Collingwood member. Progress

 

[holybishop]

Clarkson releases apologetic statement after journalist altercation

The North Melbourne coach has apologised.

www.sen.com.au

Clarkson told reporter Elisabeth Moss “your time will come” in an outburst on February 1st as the media descended on Arden Street in the wake of allegations Tarryn Thomas

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threatened and intimidated multiple women.

The man is an awful human being

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Clarkson releases apologetic statement after journalist altercation

The North Melbourne coach has apologised.

www.sen.com.au

The man is an awful human being

It's ****ing hilarious (and sad) reading North's board jump through circus hoops to get behind him. Copium is a helluva drug

 

[SupermanCapes]

Remember when he yocked that Port fan who got too up in his grill? Not to mention his history of cheap shots during his playing days. He's clearly violence first operator.