Read the post again keeping in mind she doesn't mind a bit of schadenfreude.
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Nic Mat v Nic Nat always ends up as you expect. The overstuffed one with dodgy seams triumphs.
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The frenzy that gets kicked up when an AFL player gets outed for taking recreational drugs always amazes me.
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Whoever filmed the video should be charged. Filming over and under toilet stalls is a criminal offence.
Whoever tried to shop it around for cash, including to Collingwood, should be charged as well.
Not condoning Jack in any way, but this was a grubby act.
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The reason no one really gives a f*** is because so many kids Ginnivan's age are doing exactly the same thing with very little negative impact. It's not an AFL issue, it's a societal issue - and in my humble opinion it's not really an issue at all.
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It has been around a long time but really kicked off when the government of the time decided that pre-mixed drinks needed to be Alcopop taxed in 2008 and young people decided that it wasn't worth spending nearly $20 per drink at the club when they could spend two drinks worth for a single pill that would get them out of their own reality for the evening.
So the net result was less binge drinking and more drug use, the young people moved from standardised sizes and quality control to the great unknown of the random supplier.
The side effect of not consuming alcohol was they didn't have to manage their weight nearly as much and that just sealed the deal. Vodka lime and soda was out, drugs were in, skinny was in and easy, it made kissing better it made dancing better it made being touched better and it even made touching other people and things better.
Drugs are bad and you don't want none of that.
So the net result was less binge drinking and more drug use, the young people moved from standardised sizes and quality control to the great unknown of the random supplier.
The side effect of not consuming alcohol was they didn't have to manage their weight nearly as much and that just sealed the deal. Vodka lime and soda was out, drugs were in, skinny was in and easy, it made kissing better it made dancing better it made being touched better and it even made touching other people and things better.
Drugs are bad and you don't want none of that.
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How do u know these things?
Agree with the top 2 sentence,, but there's not really anything to "not condone" is there?
It's a non-issue
im getting tiktok vids come up about this and wow the comments, idk if theyre all literal children but they seem genuinely disappointed and suprised at this lmao
complete non-issue and hilarious considering the journos grilling him over this are 99% likely to have run into him on the way to doing some lines themselves
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Spoken like someone who “experimented” in their youth but wouldn’t do it now
Is possession and or using illegal drugs illegal? If so, its definitely an issue.
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Doubt that any rise in use of illicit drugs is directly caused by the lack availability of cheap alcohol as speculated about the alcopop tax above.
In this instance Ginnivan says that he had also been drinking at the same time as he was taking illicit drugs, but we're talking about someone that probably doesn't have a cash flow problem and can afford to spend on both substances.
In this instance Ginnivan says that he had also been drinking at the same time as he was taking illicit drugs, but we're talking about someone that probably doesn't have a cash flow problem and can afford to spend on both substances.
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yeah not much to do with cost, its just fun
Eh as I've gotten older, and removed from student life... there are a lot of people who absolutely didn't get anywhere near their potential because of drugs (and won't).
Now going to state unequivocally that drugs are spectacular and a lot of fun, but people championing that they need to be legal, controlled, etc. need to calm their farm and just get on with life. Much the same as everyone hits a point where the need to get supremely trolleyed on the beers loses its allure.
There's a reason they're illegal and should not be rife, hell alcohol and cigarettes are legal and cause widespread damage to our health system so not exactly gung ho for unleashing rivals because people want to get legally high.
In the end the media is going to media, but a 2 game ban probably sounds about right. The guy is young and will probably grow out of it, or not - either way they're people just like the rest of us.
Yeah I know a few people who had their potential blunted by recreational drug use.
I also know quite a few people who use/used recreational drugs semi-regularly who have lived good lives and achieved what they wanted to.
Everyone gets to make choices and IMO people should be able to do what they want recreationally as long as it doesn't impact others (which is what Ginnivan was doing)
Not advocating for recreational drugs to be legal and easily accessible btw, but should definitely not be criminalised
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This is a pretty old school view of drug control.
First statement is an assumption that drugs and not some other cause is behind your perception that a person didn't reach their potential. Potential is an opinion and a person has to actually desire that future for themselves in order to get there. Not to mention there are infinite other reasons that a person may deviate off their life path (parental abuse just to name one).
As a counter point - the first time I used magic mushrooms is a night I will remember for the rest of my life as it literally changed the direction of my life for the significant better.
The fact that recreational drugs are illegal doesn't mean that is the best solution for protecting people from the potential harm of drugs, it just means that is the current ingrained methodology and one that is particularly stubborn given the political risk in the alternative. We persist with this approach despite mountains of evidence that prohibition tends to promote the use of substances, not deter their use. It also takes away all possible control in regards to quality and dosage, increasing the potential for harm. Telling people not to take drugs is like me telling my toddler not to jump in the deep end of the pool, he's gonna look you in the eye and jump in just to spite you.
Plenty of videos on this topic, here's one that explains it way better than I can here in text.
i really see no benefit to drugs being illegal as they are now, you just get young kids buying shit they dont know what it contains or how much is in it, they get nervous at festivals with the coppers around so best to neck all you got rather than risk getting caught, gets them involved with some dodgy folks having to buy from dealers and of course is just a massive industry which is entirely run by crims? evidently it being illegal does not stop people from trying it out, so how about we come to terms with that and actually try something new? surely everyone came to terms with prohibition being a dumb idea a century ago
What worries me is what is mixed in with the drugs ?. Some shite things being mixed in.
Alcohol is a major problem, but at least you are aware of what shite is in the bottle.
Was in Switzerland when I was younger (parents were expats for a bit), and the Swiss had a system/centre where they just flat out gave people the drugs they wanted in a controlled environment. I believe Victoria actually tried something similar in Richmond, and their government predictably got hit by the long proverbial of Sky News' version of the law (could be wrong about the program, not Sky News lol).
My version of magic mushrooms was that I couldn't look to the left of the room because the red carpet was too vivid to comprehend, and outside the electrical coils off power poles looked like giant caterpillars lol - your experience sounds better!
As for my first statement, yes there were many other factors at play, i.e. yes they have to desire that future... but whacking back billies all day to the point where years have passed before they've realised they've been trapped at that moment - I wanted better for them. These are people that didn't regress per se, they just simply didn't grow or do anything - there's more to life than just sitting in a share house going ham on drugs, there's travel, achieving in your career, starting a family, getting educated (and learning your studies are just the start), having meaningful relationships etc. But at the end of the day, I could only take care of myself and fast forward considerably and I've got a family and have to make an active choice to banish those people permanently because drugs and children obviously don't mix, irrespective of how lovely they are as genuinely good people to me in the past.
However, Australia's efforts to reduce drinking absolutely are working - the stats say they are, and I know plenty of early 20's say that 1 is fine if that. So could that attitude be applied to drug use? Probably, but we had to go through a hell of a time to get there and I'm not sure that's something I'd be ready to sign up for (would support the Swiss model however).
Cigarettes the obvious odd one out here as alcohol & drugs done in moderation
(The only thing I don't do in moderation is moderation), so not preaching, but ffs
Cigarettes?!!!
If you are under 35 & have therefore been to school, you have been educated about the shit they are, but have gone through that stage where you hate it at the start to deliberately form a habit said to be harder to quit than some hard drugs that will destroy your lungs, teeth, skin, looks, wallet & so much more
I am not a violent man at all, but I feel a law that prevents prosecution for punching a smoker in the head when they light up where they shouldn't would certainly be warranted.
& don't get me started on those "vapists' thinking they can spew their effluent everywhere.
Is fluid on the lungs not pleurisy?
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