Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[Kram]

Geezus this guy surely must now how have the record for most posts on a mediocre footballer.

 

[gungho]

How does that argument stack up when you consider that he certainly wasn't in the best third of players the years prior to that one great year where our midfield were on top - and we would be paying him for 2023, requiring that performance in the future to be worth top third money.

I maintain that we could find a better use for that salary money.

If I only need to name sixteen players I'd pay more than Acres:
Cox, Pearce, Young, Ryan, Clark, Serong, Switkowski, Fyfe, Walters, Amiss, Schultz, Darcy, Brayshaw, Jackson, O'Meara, Frederick

That excludes Aish, Walker, O'Driscoll, Chapman, Treacy, Taberner, Erasmus and Johnson

And excludes Hughes, Banfield.

Very easy to see how Acres might not be so highly valued here. We don't get to have half our squad supplemented by "working" at the company owned by the billionaire board member family.

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Acres but he was a 26 year old best 22 player on the wing. The absolute top in that position would be on 700k plus (think Whitfield, McCluggage) and the less known guys would be on around 400k. I seriously doubt any best 22 players that are 25-30 years old and play wing in the AFL are on less than 400k per year. If Brad Hill can command 900k per year then Acres should get 400.

 

[Scham]

And to think plenty on here wanted us to get Vossy as head coach.

 

[Scham]

Acres was always 1 shirk away from being banished to the WAFL. We knew what we had, and what he was worth. Shirkers are no good for team culture.

 

[Scham]

Geezus this guy surely must now how have the record for most posts on a mediocre footballer.

Tabs?

 

[Joao]

another one;

I would offer west coast McGovern , fisher and Jack Martin for the number 1 pick to start with
They need experienced players , not a newbie who won't hang around for more than 2 years.

just cooked

I’m positive that one is so bad others are shitting on it, like, that’s actually meme worthy that some numpty actually posted that

I think someone replied with something to this end.

I honestly assumed they were taking the ****, surely nobody is dumb enough to think that's a thing?

 

[MadMac]

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Acres but he was a 26 year old best 22 player on the wing. The absolute top in that position would be on 700k plus (think Whitfield, McCluggage) and the less known guys would be on around 400k. I seriously doubt any best 22 players that are 25-30 years old and play wing in the AFL are on less than 400k per year. If Brad Hill can command 900k per year then Acres should get 400.

Not at Freo. Just because some players are overpaid doesn’t mean that Acres is worth $400k. He can command, which he did but he got it elsewhere. Same as Logue getting 700k at Norf (or whatever the figure is)

 

[Yeti]

Look, let's look at this a different way. The metric that was used is that the top 16 players at any club are on 400k and above.
Do you believe Blake Acres was in the best 16 players at Freo in 2022?

Definitely not.

I've been clear on that since he walked in the door until he walked out. We fleeced Carlton.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Carlton are in a bit of a pickle:
1. Sack Vossy and be known as that club that sacks everyone - so not a very attractive proposition for any good coach to go.
2. Keep Vossy and persist with someone who, although a great guy, at this stage has not shown the tactical nous to be a good coach.
What do ya do?

Hire a smart assistant coach

 

[Wilksyy]

I wonder with this new “purchasing draft picks” that Cal Twomey was on about a rich club like the Eagles could speed up their rebuild? Would have been smarter if Gold Coast just gave pick 7 to the highest bidder.

 

[FreoGirl]

I still can’t understand how Acres is regarded as a big loss by many here. He played half a dozen good games for us in his 3 seasons. If it wasn’t for JLo he would probably be playing WAFL now. Call me old fashioned but his attitude stunk at the end of last season asking for a payrise.

I used to enjoy watching him purely for his good looks - even that value faded lol

 

[Taylor]

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Acres but he was a 26 year old best 22 player on the wing. The absolute top in that position would be on 700k plus (think Whitfield, McCluggage) and the less known guys would be on around 400k. I seriously doubt any best 22 players that are 25-30 years old and play wing in the AFL are on less than 400k per year. If Brad Hill can command 900k per year then Acres should get 400.

I think there's a player lining up on our own side making under $400k to play wing.

I maintain that if you need a big body to run to the half back line/back pocket for an easy mark - hold up the ball and then bomb it long that you can find that in way more players for cheap - and it turned out I was right because that's the exact reason Carlton are losing, just like when it cost us too.

Acres wins the ball a lot because he is allowed to, it doesn't matter what club he is playing for.

What Whitfield and Hill have over Acres is that they break the lines. Acres lets the forwards (and their defenders) set up ahead of the ball and then kicks a long slow kick to them, heaven help you if you don't have dominant marking talls to maintain that field position or that ball is slingshot-ing back towards your defensive fifty really quick.

Acres needs to be used forward of centre, but his ball use isn't exactly elite either.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

I heard he is suddenly a strong supporter of raising the draft age to 19.

It would have to raise to about 22 to be safe
evils are im a deep hole

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[theGav56]

another one;

I would offer west coast McGovern , fisher and Jack Martin for the number 1 pick to start with
They need experienced players , not a newbie who won't hang around for more than 2 years.

just cooked

If they are shrewd and slip in Sumich to the big chair, our Spudshed sponsorship could be under threat.

 

[gungho]

I think there's a player lining up on our own side making under $400k to play wing.

I maintain that if you need a big body to run to the half back line/back pocket for an easy mark - hold up the ball and then bomb it long that you can find that in way more players for cheap - and it turned out I was right because that's the exact reason Carlton are losing, just like when it cost us too.

Acres wins the ball a lot because he is allowed to, it doesn't matter what club he is playing for.

What Whitfield and Hill have over Acres is that they break the lines. Acres lets the forwards (and their defenders) set up ahead of the ball and then kicks a long slow kick to them, heaven help you if you don't have dominant marking talls to maintain that field position or that ball is slingshot-ing back towards your defensive fifty really quick.

Acres needs to be used forward of centre, but his ball use isn't exactly elite either.

If you are referring to Noddy, then he has just turned 21 and played 18 games of AFL footy. He’ll be making more than $400k by 26.
I agree Acres strength is not fast transition of the footy but strangely enough thought his loopy kicks might not be so bad at Carlton (with Curnow and McKay).

 

[royale with cheese]

The review threads are great but the Carlton board probably has the best rumour/list management thread (well they used to). Found this looking for goss and thought it was compelling:
---------------------------------------------------
Not sure how we get a RUCKMAN,
But Darcy has the gorilla type size we need.
If it means Darcy and Serong for cripps so be it.
---------------------------------------------------

Seems reasonable and balanced to me.

If it means peak Chris Judd and Wayne Carey for Travis Colyer I will reluctantly do that deal.

 

[Taylor]

If you are referring to Noddy, then he has just turned 21 and played 18 games of AFL footy. He’ll be making more than $400k by 26.
I agree Acres strength is not fast transition of the footy but strangely enough thought his loopy kicks might not be so bad at Carlton (with Curnow and McKay).

No, I'm referring to James Aish and that marking power of Curnow and McKay was all I could think was going to be of value for Carlton, and turned out that opposition defenders knew they were defending a stationary ball on their head - they can have the big defender keep Curnow and McKay from getting a run at it and a third can bring the ball to ground.

Watch oppositions set up ahead of the contest, they'll spread out ready to move the ball into the corridor and forward. The set play for them involves Acres because he is so limited and predictable.

 

[theGav56]

That’s kinda his problem, took him over two years to pull his finger out. Being on an AFL list beats being on a WAFL list and in my opinion that’s exactly where he was headed in his first two years with us.
Anyway, all that aside, I still don’t see him as a “big loss”.

The reason he's a loss is because we had no replacement, and that is at least part of the reason our season is shot.

 

[gungho]

No, I'm referring to James Aish

I would bet you a bottle of Margaret River red that he’s getting 400k a year.

 

[Taylor]

The reason he's a loss is because we had no replacement, and that is at least part of the reason out season is shot.

Our season would be fine if we weren't destroyed in the middle in the early rounds, it's not about wingers.

 

[Taylor]

I would bet you a bottle of Margaret River red that he’s getting 400k a year.

You've got $14,040,000 of salary cap to play with for 2023, take a stab at spending it.

 

[Nothing]

You've got $14,040,000 of salary cap to play with for 2023, take a stab at spending it.

$14,000,000 for Bailey Banfield. The rest can fight over what's left.

 

[MadMac]

The reason he's a loss is because we had no replacement, and that is at least part of the reason our season is shot.

Sorry Gav, but if you think Acres would’ve made a difference in those first few rounds I think you’re mistaken.

Not only that, the type of footy we’ve been playing last few weeks is totally incompatible with Acres’ skillset.

If he’s a loss, he’d be a very minor loss, certainly not a big one

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

If you are referring to Noddy, then he has just turned 21 and played 18 games of AFL footy. He’ll be making more than $400k by 26.
I agree Acres strength is not fast transition of the footy but strangely enough thought his loopy kicks might not be so bad at Carlton (with Curnow and McKay).

Who cares about age?

I would offer Noddy at 21 more than I would offer Acres at 26.

The AFL isn't some sort of closed shop where the perks go to those with seniority.

 

[gungho]

Who cares about age?

I would offer Noddy at 21 more than I would offer Acres at 26.

The AFL isn't some sort of closed shop where the perks go to those with seniority.

It kind of is. It’s well known that the biggest contracts players get is when approaching free agency. (So that would be around 26). Also, every players salary is capped in their first 2 years. Historically, the odd really high draft pick (Boyd, Scully) will earn big bucks in their third year but most don’t.