Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[wakojako]

I don't think it is a case of Reid wanting to stay in Victoria. It is probably more the fact that he doesn't want to go to that absolute dumpster fire that is the blue and yellow cretins.

He has stated before he is very close to family.

 

[Fyfster]

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As much as I loathe Bin Chickens, I think it's bullshit that draftees can dictate where they go.

Vic ones moreso as there are more clubs there simples as the Meerkats would say, Imagine a WA boy saying he didn't want to go east and both WA clubs not interested .
Of course if Harley Reids ability that's not happening , But you get my gist.

 

[Fyfster]

i mean you can say 'suck it up' or whatever all you want but if in a players heart they dont want to be somewhere, who benefits from keeping them? id say the eagles should probably trade the pick regardless but if they were confident in their culture and club that they could make him want to stay, then pick him, if it doesnt work out JHF is the precedence and you get 2 top 10 picks.

cry all you want about draft integrity or whatever but the reality is that players are human too, some dont want to live 1000kms away from their families

To play for the worst side in modern history.

 

[gaskin]

He has stated before he is very close to family.

He has also said multiple times that he has no problem with going interstate. He could have just been blowing smoke but I don't think anyone really knows.

 

[anchor man]

i mean you can say 'suck it up' or whatever all you want but if in a players heart they dont want to be somewhere, who benefits from keeping them? id say the eagles should probably trade the pick regardless but if they were confident in their culture and club that they could make him want to stay, then pick him, if it doesnt work out JHF is the precedence and you get 2 top 10 picks.

cry all you want about draft integrity or whatever but the reality is that players are human too, some dont want to live 1000kms away from their families

Wrong, Nathan Buckley was the first to see terms of going to a club he didn't want to be with.
The AFL are goin g to hav eto come up with something to stop these draftees from dictating terms.If the number one selection says no, then the club needs to be compensated with more selections.

 

[anchor man]

To play for the worst side in modern history.

You talking about the Road Kill ROOS?

 

[anchor man]

He has stated before he is very close to family.

Well aren't ALL draftees close to their family.
That really is a very lame excuse.Don't apply for the draft if you aren't prepared to go where ever.
It appears that clubs from outside Melbourne get the raw deals.

 

[Big Animal]

so we have:

• most of the top young talent from the expansion clubs leaving GCS and GWS just as they enter their prime
• top draftees now more advising where they won't be going
• players walking out on contracts part way through after the lion's share has been paid and saying where they want to go and for the club to make it happen;
• the fixturing debarcle where as just one example, more interstate teams have to play Geelong in Geelong than local big Melbourne teams (Ess, Coll); and
• even some of the recent top 5 picks being academy or father/son, usually topping up teams already at the top for not much cost (Brisbane, Collingwood, Bullies)

Certainly not moving towards a greater equality

 

[Fyfster]

You talking about the Road Kill ROOS?

No But they are pretty crap as well won 4 in the last 2 years Eagles twice out of those , Eagles have won only three so line ball.

 

[anchor man]

No But they are pretty crap as well won 4 in the last 2 years Eagles twice out of those , Eagles have won only three so line ball.

The Road Kill have been horrendous and a horrendous drain on the AFL for many many years.
The Eagles have had two bad years, all due to themselves and their entitled attitude, as a club they are not even close to being as bad as the RK.
I detest the Eagles, but they are a club that has , by fair means or foul, built a club that will be sustainable for more years than you and I will ever see.

 

[King Tenz]

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As much as I loathe Bin Chickens, I think it's bullshit that draftees can dictate where they go.

It's funny, guys that have this attitude about getting drafted away from home are the main ones that would actually benefit from moving away from home imo.

 

[Taylor]

He has also said multiple times that he has no problem with going interstate. He could have just been blowing smoke but I don't think anyone really knows.

Every time I've heard/seen him talk about being fine with moving interstate I haven't believed him, he isn't stupid - he prefaces it with saying he is really close with his family.

He clearly wants to play football close to his current life and why wouldn't he want that?

If Brisbane or Sydney were 18th I think it's exactly the same. He will go from a life of friends and family a drive away to needing to plan at least a weekend just to give mum a hug.

 

[anchor man]

Every time I've heard/seen him talk about being fine with moving interstate I haven't believed him, he isn't stupid - he prefaces it with saying he is really close with his family.

He clearly wants to play football close to his current life and why wouldn't he want that?

If Brisbane or Sydney were 18th I think it's exactly the same. He will go from a life of friends and family a drive away to needing to plan at least a weekend just to give mum a hug.

Taylor, thems the breaks.If the boys don't want to take the chance at moving , don't apply for the draft. They all know the consequences of the draft.

 

[pK75]

WC should draft him and then in two years shop him around. That way they’ll have offers from all 10 Melbourne clubs instead of just the ones with draft capital this year. Could turn him into 2-3 very good players.

 

[Taylor]

Taylor, thems the breaks.If the boys don't want to take the chance at moving , don't apply for the draft. They all know the consequences of the draft.

They have a 50% chance of staying in the same city, let alone the same state. I can understand them growing used to the idea that they will play their football at home.

 

[Taylor]

WC should draft him and then in two years shop him around. That way they’ll have offers from all 10 Melbourne clubs instead of just the ones with draft capital this year. Could turn him into 2-3 very good players.

That's what I would do. They don't need to play him at AFL level, to do so and have poor performances will reduce his value. To be developing him in the WAFL for a season and then offer him to all the Melbourne clubs for two or three first round picks would be just fine.

He won't lose value until end of 2025 where he could walk, out of contract, to the bottom placed side which is 55% chance with all things equal of being a Victorian team.

 

[anchor man]

That's what I would do. They don't need to play him at AFL level, to do so and have poor performances will reduce his value. To be developing him in the WAFL for a season and then offer him to all the Melbourne clubs for two or three first round picks would be just fine.

He won't lose value until end of 2025 where he could walk, out of contract, to the bottom placed side which is 55% chance with all things equal of being a Victorian team.

And so the cycle begins again cheque book recruiting.And we all know who comes out best in these circumstances.
Exactly the same scenario that almost killed off Aussie rules all over Australia.The weak get weaker and the rich get richer.

 

[FreoRicci]

West Coast may strongly push to trade the pick anyway. Get two top 5-10 picks, easily.

 

[Dockeroo]

WC should draft him and then in two years shop him around. That way they’ll have offers from all 10 Melbourne clubs instead of just the ones with draft capital this year. Could turn him into 2-3 very good players.

Actually the opposite would happen.
He will just say “I want to get to Collingwood” or maybe Richmond or Geelong.
It’s most certainly won’t be North or saints or Western Bulldogs anyway I can guarantee you that!!
Eagles will then be forced to deal with the club he picks to make a trade happen. Or else lose him to the PSD.

 

[Taylor]

And so the cycle begins again cheque book recruiting.And we all know who comes out best in these circumstances.
Exactly the same scenario that almost killed off Aussie rules all over Australia.The weak get weaker and the rich get richer.

There is a value to removing the pressure to get the first pick of the draft correct too.

Here are the last ten #1 picks:
Tom Boyd (traded, retired)
Paddy McCartin (retired/delisted)
Jacob Weitering (Good player)
Andrew McGrath (Reasonable player)
Cameron Rayner (injured/good player)
Sam Walsh (very good player)
Matt Rowell (injured/very good player)
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (academy but very good player)
Jason Horne-Francis (traded)
Aaron Cadman

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

He has stated before he is very close to family.

Of course. It's easier to say that than to say: "WCE are shit and I don't want to be there"

 

[Wilksyy]

Go home factor baffles me. Feels like it's an Australian thing.

Has there ever been a go home issue with NBA/MLB/NFL players? And those player can be traded mid season and have to move straight away.

 

[Wilksyy]

That's what I would do. They don't need to play him at AFL level, to do so and have poor performances will reduce his value. To be developing him in the WAFL for a season and then offer him to all the Melbourne clubs for two or three first round picks would be just fine.

No development is happening at the Beagles. Zilch

 

[gaskin]

Go home factor baffles me. Feels like it's an Australian thing.

Has there ever been a go home issue with NBA/MLB/NFL players? And those player can be traded mid season and have to move straight away.

Not in the pro leagues but there is quite a bit in college football with the changes to the transfer portal over the last couple of years. I always think the argument of they don't in American sport is stupid for 2 reasons: money and college.

A first overall pick in the NFL draft will make more money over his rookie contract than a superstar of the AFL will make in their lifetime. For example, Bryce Young went number 1 overall in this years NFL draft and signed a 4 year rookie contract worth $41m (USD) which includes a $27m signing bonus. Even the average wage of an NFL player is somewhere around $1m-$2m ($1.5-$3m AUD). Compare that to AFL where the average wage is ~$400k. Being paid millions of dollars a year is enough to overcome homesickness.

The players also move away from home for a minimum of 3 years for college before being drafted anyway so they have that time to grow and get over any homesickness issues.


The only way you can compare it to other sports is to look at a league that also has a draft and a similar wage structure. I am unfamiliar of any such league.

 

[Taylor]

It might be different in the NFL if 30 of the teams were in Alabama.

AFL is really just a single city competition that expanded.