Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[gaskin]

Christian is a premiership player for Collingwood. He has reportedly threatened to quit his role over conflict with AFL bosses regarding Brayden Maynard's hit. Wouldn't you think it suggests: (i) a conflict of interest, and (ii) proof of concept as to one of the reasons we have conflict of interest rules in law and business after such a straightforward dummy spit?

Possibly, but the fact that many in the AFL media as well as in the general AFL fan bases don't think it is worth a suspension that makes me think that he has every right to not give a suspension. I also understand his anger at the AFL coming in and overruling him when he is working inside the parameters they set. I'd be pissed as well.

Is there some level of bias? Perhaps but only he knows how much.

 

[dropbear101]

nah, suspend him. brayshaw has a long history of concussion. knocking him out is a bit of a dog act.

 

[arsesmart]

Possibly, but the fact that many in the AFL media as well as in the general AFL fan bases don't think it is worth a suspension that makes me think that he has every right to not give a suspension. I also understand his anger at the AFL coming in and overruling him when he is working inside the parameters they set. I'd be pissed as well.

Is there some level of bias? Perhaps but only he knows how much.

Is it outside the parameters? I would've thought it's fair to at least put it in the "reckless" frame. You'd also hope he'd be more professional and dispassionate than be swayed by the media and fans.

 

[DeanS]

nah, suspend him. brayshaw has a long history of concussion. knocking him out is a bit of a dog act.

So other players have to play differently around Brayshaw because he wears a helmet?

 

[gaskin]

Is it outside the parameters? I would've thought it's fair to at least put it in the "reckless" frame. You'd also hope he'd be more professional and dispassionate than be swayed by the media and fans.

I would say more careless. That difference in opinion means the parameters are too open to interpretation.

 

[Ge3ks]

Collingwood are actually arguing that it was Brayshaws fault that he got knocked out. Fair dinkum that's rank.

Does Brayshaw move into Maynard's path?
Ihle is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball.

He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother.

He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line.

"It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said.

"I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in."

 

[arsesmart]

I would say more careless. That difference in opinion means the parameters are too open to interpretation.

Either way, it's certainly not something out of the bounds of reasonable decision making and given the heightened knowledge of the impact of concussions, you might understand it would wanted to be looked at via the tribunal.

 

[anchor man]

Collingwood are actually arguing that it was Brayshaws fault that he got knocked out. Fair dinkum that's rank.

Does Brayshaw move into Maynard's path?
Ihle is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball.

He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother.

He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line.

"It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said.

"I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in."

Gee that sound like the WCE Gaff defence.

 

[arsesmart]

Collingwood are actually arguing that it was Brayshaws fault that he got knocked out. Fair dinkum that's rank.

Does Brayshaw move into Maynard's path?
Ihle is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball.

He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother.

He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line.

"It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said.

"I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in."

Two key points that negate that argument though:

1) When you jump off the ground like that you're choosing to lose control of where you land (more to the point, who you land on) essentially.

2) Going in to hip and shoulder mode when you see you're going to land on someone.

 

[Perfect Purple]

Collingwood are actually arguing that it was Brayshaws fault that he got knocked out. Fair dinkum that's rank.

Does Brayshaw move into Maynard's path?
Ihle is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball.

He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother.

He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line.

"It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said.

"I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in."

Yeah let’s blame the victim. He should’ve moved the other way to allow Maynard to leap into him with impunity!

What a joke!

 

[Descent]

This sport will not exist in a few generations.

 

[Perfect Purple]

This sport will not exist in a few generations.

It may still be around Descent, but not in its current form I suspect.

A few substantial Class Actions relating to CTE will ensure that the heavy tackling will all but disappear.

 

[Paracleet]

It's not really surprising some people are trying to defend it. They miss the days when the rules of the sport had a large loophole that enabled bullies to indulge in legalised thuggery (E.g. Whoohsa). He left the ground and turned his shoulder into his head, he had the option to use his hands. Defending yourself is clearly preposterous; it has to be proportionate. It's okay to potentially end someones career because you might hurt your wrist fending them off?
That's without even considering that in any case where you leave the ground on a trajectory likely to result in contact you have accept the consequences.

 

[Madas]

Maybe the fact that the new head of footballLaura Kane, has stepped in, there may be some change with the rtribunal.
Did I read right that Michael Christian has spat the dummy because of her intervention?
Hopefully she can stir things up enough to break the Boys Club that pereates through AFL House.

It takes a woman to do a man’s job ( is that a saying ?)

I’m really hoping Laura can start making real change in this sphere

Yep Christian chucked his toys out of the cot .
Good riddance .
That position needs fresh eyes who are qualified to do the job

 

[Madas]

Is it outside the parameters? I would've thought it's fair to at least put it in the "reckless" frame. You'd also hope he'd be more professional and dispassionate than be swayed by the media and fans.

It absolutely is outside the parameters
That square up hip and shoulder did not need to happen, could have just as easily fended off with arms

2 weeks minimum IMO

 

[Kapow!!!]

Collingwood are actually arguing that it was Brayshaws fault that he got knocked out. Fair dinkum that's rank.

Does Brayshaw move into Maynard's path?
Ihle is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball.

He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother.

He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line.

"It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said.

"I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in."

It really is in these cases that the big clubs and those who think they're too big to fail show their true colours. That's a truly abhorrent defence

 

[Purple Jesus]

Collingwood giving off Wet Coke vibes with this case.

 

[dexter_]

Maynard cleared. Did not see that coming.

 

[sumavich]

Thrown out

 

[Purple Jesus]

What the absolute ****.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Good thing ol Maynard got off, so we can punish the real criminal actions like this one

 

[s_wd6]

There's no way that jury is impartial

 

[Midnite65]

So if someone like Fyfe had done what Maynard did he would have get 3 weeks. The AFL is so corrupt.

 

[Persoog]

No credibility whatsoever

 

[Rockmelon]

We all knew he wasn’t getting suspended, would like anyone but Collingwood to go all the way this year