Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2025

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Whether Allen goes or stays, it's a horrible situation for WCE, on the eve of the season to have this report.

This means the whole of the 2025 season there will be the conjecture around their captain. You can imagine how much chit chat and reporting there is going to be throughout the season until he signs. If it's back end of the year and he hasn't signed, that's a pretty bad place to be in that your captain isn't even committing to his own club.
 
Personally think eagles letting Allan go would be absolutely ridiculous. No way should they entertain it.

I am the complete opposite.

If you can get a top 4 pick for him, then go ahead and do it.

I personally think their list is completely buggered, and they need to hit the draft for 3 or 4 years.

If they can hit the draft with multiple early 1st round picks, then can rebound up the ladder pretty quickly just like we did with Young, Serong, Brayshaw, Amiss etc etc.

If I was in charge of their list, I would not bring in Warner in either. I just think they need to hit the draft, and maybe bring in a few free agents in.
 

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Dunno how Allen is worth a top 4 pick. He's seemingly broken down more often than not. Anyone know how many games he's played and how many missed?

30 games the last 2 years. No games in 2022.

2 goals per game.

If you add him to Essendon, Sydney, Brisbane, Collingwood, Port, Hawks they probably add 2 to 4 wins during the year, which is a big difference.

Then you don't need to give up any draft capital, so they added an extra 100k. Then you get a bidding war, and 700k becomes 1 million or even more and then the AFL decides West Coast need a new 1st round pick, so they give them a first rounder.
 
Dunno how Allen is worth a top 4 pick. He's seemingly broken down more often than not. Anyone know how many games he's played and how many missed?
Thats got nothing to do with it.
The AFL player market dictates what he’s worth. If a rival club believes he is worthy of a deal that puts him in the top 5% of paid players in the competition, over a sufficient number of years (4+ normally), then he’s worth band 1 compo.

It doesn’t matter if he’s missed every game for the last 3 years through injury. It’s not considered at all by the AFL, nor should it be.
 
"Worth" is a fluid construct. Durability is part of the consideration. I think Cam is right in considering the risk as part of the appraisal.

In theory Oscar Allen makes Brisbane's window stay open for quite some time yet. Yet if he's in rehab while the window is open, that doesn't amount to much.

It's a gamble, but it all is.

If I were West Coast I would wake every morning, push the bushpig aside and punch myself in the face but I would also trade Allen while he has peak list rebuilding currency. They're not winning ****all for the rest of his career, so holding on to him just because is futile. They have enough face-saving and hope-building to do with Harley and Chad.

Allen for pick 3 can be easily sold as good business. Because it is.
 
"Worth" is a fluid construct. Durability is part of the consideration. I think Cam is right in considering the risk as part of the appraisal.

In theory Oscar Allen makes Brisbane's window stay open for quite some time yet. Yet if he's in rehab while the window is open, that doesn't amount to much.

It's a gamble, but it all is.

If I were West Coast I would wake every morning, push the bushpig aside and punch myself in the face but I would also trade Allen while he has peak list rebuilding currency. They're not winning ****all for the rest of his career, so holding on to him just because is futile. They have enough face-saving and hope-building to do with Harley and Chad.

Allen for pick 3 can be easily sold as good business. Because it is.

Could Brisbane hypothetically sign him for 4 years, allowing them to extend their window for 4 years.

If they are still top 4 they can extend, if the window has closed they can let Allen go as a free agent getting a good pick in the door to help the rebuild.
 
Brisbane can do what they like and word on the street is they are hot as inflamed bitches on Allen. Their decision is pretty plain - they want Allen - it's whether Oscar sees the sense in leaving (no flags for him at Methlain; plenty of your Australian dollary-doos and finals at Brissie) and West Coast have the mettle to trade their captain when it makes most sense to do so.
 
I think there’s a bit of freo fan angst coming into the discussion here on whether Oscar Allen is worth Band 1 compo or not and clouding the debate.

His injury history has nothing to do with it. If you think the AFLs secret herbs and spices mix for FA compo should include injury history of the player - goodness me I’d like to see how much more open to manipulation that would leave the system!

In theory the deal Brisbane offer Allen should account for his injury history. Thats how the system is meant to work. If Allen is worth less for to durability, then the deal on offer to him from the Lions should already reflect that.

Eg maybe they are only offering him 5 years at $1.1 million a year. If he had a perfect fitness record, they may have offered 7 years at $1.3m a season.
Just speculating numbers here but the general point is clear.

All the AFL can consider is if the deal offered qualifies for band 1 or not. End of debate.

Injury history forms part of the value of the player at this present time, therefore it’s already taken into account in the offer the player has from the new club, and rightly should not be considered by the AFL.
Thats the same for every FA compo scenario.
 
I think if you have Chad Warner on the hook and you're going to lose Oscar Allen to a deal that will score you a top four pick you lose as much as you can, you refuse to trade Harley Reid end of the year no matter what and given you have pick #1 in the PSD and Warner is out of contract - you trade your pick #12 for him and you will get him for that and a swap of seconds.

And if you're Sydney and you aren't in the race for finals but you're in the 10th to 13th place - you play WC last week of the year, and you let them win after your players are sent for surgery early so that WC finish above Richmond and can't play that card on you.
 
I think there’s a bit of freo fan angst coming into the discussion here on whether Oscar Allen is worth Band 1 compo or not and clouding the debate.

His injury history has nothing to do with it. If you think the AFLs secret herbs and spices mix for FA compo should include injury history of the player - goodness me I’d like to see how much more open to manipulation that would leave the system!

In theory the deal Brisbane offer Allen should account for his injury history. Thats how the system is meant to work. If Allen is worth less for to durability, then the deal on offer to him from the Lions should already reflect that.

Eg maybe they are only offering him 5 years at $1.1 million a year. If he had a perfect fitness record, they may have offered 7 years at $1.3m a season.
Just speculating numbers here but the general point is clear.

All the AFL can consider is if the deal offered qualifies for band 1 or not. End of debate.

Injury history forms part of the value of the player at this present time, therefore it’s already taken into account in the offer the player has from the new club, and rightly should not be considered by the AFL.
Thats the same for every FA compo scenario.
Two different conversations seem to be being had.

There is no dispute that Allen's injury status has no bearing on his perceived worth as it applies to free agency compensation. In that regard he is solely worth what Brisbane are willing to pay for him. And I reckon, without being in any way knowledgeable, they are willing to pay big bikkies.

But is he worth it, is another question.

In short, I agree with you. There's no disputing what you are saying. I also think what people are cavilling at is whether the risk is worth it, not whether Oscar Allen is worth it. I reckon he is worth band 1 compensation, no problems, but would I want him in if there were concerns about keeping him on the paddock?

Allen plays with the kind of recklessness and intensity that means he is collision injury prone as well as whatever may be going on with his body. And you want that.

Brisbane had to have this conversation with Jonno Brown - "You're worth more to us on the paddock than in hospital." Shaving off the correct degree of intensity of attack on the pill is super tricky.

It would have been easier for Brisbane to pull this off if it hadn't leaked but I still reckon it happens.
 

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I don't have a strong feeling either way but if I am Allan I'd be thinking hard before giving up 20 years of cushy third party corporate deals as a one club ex captain of the richest club in the country, for a better shot at on field success
I hear that.

The couple of million he'll get from the Brions should help wipe away the bittersweet tears of missing out on metaphorically sucking on Nigel Satterley's teat.

That and some sweet finals success - which is, after all, why the really competitive ones are in it.
 
It definitely takes simple things to occupy my simple mind these days but reading some of the posts from eagles supporters the last 2 years have really given me a lot pleasure
The false dillusion is priceless
Even some of my best mates are buying into it and they played for them

So I wonder how long into the season their bubble gets popped for another year
??
 
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It definitely takes simple things to occupy my simple mind these days but reading some of the posts from eagles supporters the last 2 years have really given me a lot pleasure
The false dillusion is priceless
Even some of my best mates are buying into it and they played for them

So I wonder how long into the season their bubble gets popped for another year
??
They have improved their list over the offseason, it just seems very short term to bring in players the age of Baker, Macintosh and Owies when they should be trying to build a team to compete in 5 years, not now.
Don’t forget they ditched Darling as well so that would have improved moral for the rest of the team.
 
Allen was a diehard Eagle supporter growing up and is their captain


If he is going then he is being forced out, West Coast would be crazy to force out a leader in that age range when they could have just cashed in on Waterman last year for a similar bounty as a pre-agent (or even waited one year and got the same compo as Allen)
 
Allen was a diehard Eagle supporter growing up and is their captain


If he is going then he is being forced out, West Coast would be crazy to force out a leader in that age range when they could have just cashed in on Waterman last year for a similar bounty as a pre-agent (or even waited one year and got the same compo as Allen)

to make it worse, if they force Allen out only to bring in Warner with the same pick, and then they still suck and Reid leaves.
 
It definitely takes simple things to occupy my simple mind these days but reading some of the posts from eagles supporters the last 2 years have really given me a lot pleasure
The false dillusion is priceless
Even some of my best mates are buying into it and they played for them

So I wonder how long into the season their bubble gets popped for another year
??
I saw a post a few weeks ago from a wet toast supporter saying something along the lines of they've been envious of the Dockers side for a couple of years, absolutely stacked with young talent on every line - and now they have the same thing! Haha.

There probably isn't a WC fan in the country that doesn't believe it's a forgone conclusion that they will make a GF in the next 2 or 3 years...
 
I saw a post a few weeks ago from a wet toast supporter saying something along the lines of they've been envious of the Dockers side for a couple of years, absolutely stacked with young talent on every line - and now they have the same thing! Haha.

There probably isn't a WC fan in the country that doesn't believe it's a forgone conclusion that they will make a GF in the next 2 or 3 years...

It's crazy, their young talent is easily the worst in the AFL. Only Reid can be considered a proven young talent, I expect Hewitt to join him but he has to get on the park first. Ginbey legit sucks and who else is there? Chesser?
 

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