Tiger_Of_Old
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Wasnt it a more of a takeover than a merge?The Lions were dead and buried.
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North Melbourne to Tasmania
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How was it any different of a takeover compared to how Melbourne were taking over Hawthorn?
Thankfully the Hawks supporters and members had a bit of ticker and blocked it...and 12 years on the clubs are in such different positions both on and off field that Hawthorn could probably afford to sponsor Melbourne, the Dees could have a big 'HFC' across their backs.
It's always going to change year by year to who did better out of the merger. 2 years ago it was the Melbourne fans bragging, now it is Hawthorn and a couple of years down the track it will be Melbourne again.
Nobody can deny it was a Melbourne takeover. That was the whole premise of Don Scotts rally. That it was going to still be 'Melbourne' and that Hawthorn would be completely gone. What do you think ripping off the Hawk symbol and showing a Melbourne jumper represented?
Tiger_Of_Old
THE_GUN:"Why don't you use your reg acc"7/9/24
Apart from the Hawks not being dead and buried,the difference is the Hawks would have a certain amount of say in the merged club.
Fitzroy on the other hand would have had None.
Then why was it the Hawthorn board that initiated the merger talks with us?
Prove it.
"Supporters like you"??? He writes a post filled with logic, and you come back with that crap.
Maybe there's a problem with supporters like you, mate. You scan the list of potential clubs to merge (or cease to exist), and instantly scrap Melbourne as a candidate because their name is Melbourne. Do you know how ridiculous that logic is?? One club has a fundamental right to exist because of their name, yet North Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs, and even previously Hawthorn are considered worthy of being dissolved just because we aren't named after the capital of the state? That's ridiculous.
A club should be considered on their merits, and if you think North are in more of a precarious position than Melbourne, then fine...but spare us the naive childlike arguments about their friggin' name ruling them out.
Tiger_Of_Old
THE_GUN:"Why don't you use your reg acc"7/9/24
You,d have to ask a Hawk about why.
Prove what?
That the Hawks wouldnt of had a say in the merge
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Fitzroy would,ve had none with North?
It changes year by year? How many times over the last 12 years has Melbourne received a $1mil plus handout from the AFL, and how many times have the Hawks got a handout?
Most years. I'm not sure about 08, but you had a handout in 07.
There are degrees of everything and some clubs are more sustainable than others, and we are trying to ween ourselves off our present need for such hefty financial contributions, but with the model of the AFL competition and ownership structures NO club is financially independent or viable without AFL support.
I think since 2003.
Since the AFL sold Waverley? And also, how many times did Dicker put in a shitload of $ to the club to keep you afloat in the past 12 years?
Both?
The Hawks have never had a handout.
We recieved compensation from the AFL for breaking our Waverley contract, but no gifts. We do not and have never owed the AFL anything.
All Presidents put in time / cash / networks.
We recieved compensation from the AFL for breaking our Waverley contract, but no gifts. We do not and have never owed the AFL anything.
All Presidents put in time / cash / networks.
West Coast played in a grandfinal that year- they have good support in VIC. Can't really claim all the credit on that one. I think the dogs (who didn't make the 8) even got close to 30K against them at the G that year.
Breaking the Waverley contract damaged our club immeasurably. If anything, Hawthorn were under-compensated as we lost thousands of members and the AFL lost many supporters in the South East altogether. We are only now getting some of the latent support back from when we lost our home ground.
Does dicker the governing body representing 16 clubs? I didn't realise Dicker had an obligation to distribute his donations evenly to the 16 AFL clubs?? Agreed - All Presidents put in time / cash / networks.
According to the compensation package we were to have 11 MCG home games...
shintemaster
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All fair points I reckon. Really there is one bigger question that's more important. Why don't Hawthorn fight for this compensation if it's their right? Would love to hear the answer.
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No one.
They should create their own team or forget about joining the competition.
They should create their own team or forget about joining the competition.
Moo
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Unless your financially viable and a net contributor to the finacial viability of the game over the long term - you have no place in a professional league.
Simply react to the economic downturn and start reducing payments from the CBF ....in a short while one of the teams will blink first and realise that they can not make it.
That is the club who have a choice ...hand in your AFL licence and go and play in the VFL, relocate or find a new dance partner in the AFL.
In footy we say let the best team win, in these circumstances we should say let the best clubs win.
If we dropped off one Melb club - in a generations time there will be more supporters for the other clubs and less competition for sponsors.
No one should just say it is North Melb or Melb or whoever .....cut back the AFL payments and let the world take its natural course.
Simply react to the economic downturn and start reducing payments from the CBF ....in a short while one of the teams will blink first and realise that they can not make it.
That is the club who have a choice ...hand in your AFL licence and go and play in the VFL, relocate or find a new dance partner in the AFL.
In footy we say let the best team win, in these circumstances we should say let the best clubs win.
If we dropped off one Melb club - in a generations time there will be more supporters for the other clubs and less competition for sponsors.
No one should just say it is North Melb or Melb or whoever .....cut back the AFL payments and let the world take its natural course.
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I'm not knocking Carlton mate.
I am fully aware that just about every sober Carlton supporter considers that man to be an embarrassing buffoon.
It doesnt revolve around us but the AFL needs a strong Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and to a certain extent Richmond.
They draw the biggest crowd numbers and have the largest fan bases. The AFL thrives when these big 4 are strong. Its a fact.
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Relocation and/or merging is the only thing that will save "some" Victorian clubs.
Whether they like it or not.
Whether they like it or not.
The sad fact is the above statement is true. As much as we would all love it to be, the fact is 10 teams can longer exist in Melbourne.
Would you rather your team relocate or be taken over such as Fitzroy?
Stuff Tasmania. Its too small and the population just isn't big enough.
I've been looking around and found the perfect market home for them ....
Place: North Melbourne
Population: 9,962
Area: 2.4 km² (0.9 sq mi)
I've been looking around and found the perfect market home for them ....
Place: North Melbourne
Population: 9,962
Area: 2.4 km² (0.9 sq mi)
Why would any club move to Tasmania?
If you can't make money with a 5% share of the Melbourne market, you'll lose it even faster in Tassie. And the AFL doesn't have the same incentives as in NSW and Qld to keep a side afloat.
Any side who moved to Tassie would only be making the possible inevitable.
If you can't make money with a 5% share of the Melbourne market, you'll lose it even faster in Tassie. And the AFL doesn't have the same incentives as in NSW and Qld to keep a side afloat.
Any side who moved to Tassie would only be making the possible inevitable.
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Elliott, the crook who drove his own companies, and his club, into the ground, has always hated us ever since we thwarted his vile attempt to buy us out.
FWIW - there's Melbourne clubs in far worse financial difficulty than us.
