News North offer for Maynard

[FlyHigh18]

Surely the length of the contract is the wrong information. He would be 30 next year I am pretty sure.

Really dislike Maynard, but could make peace with him on a 3 or even 4 year deal.

6 though? At his age? That would be a monumentally dumb move by our club.

Just a reminder that the cats have 10 players over 29, most of those over 33.

Money needs to be spent.

 

[Sphynx]

We whinge about our blokes being soft and the list is filled with players with a losing mindset, so the club goes hard at a bloke that ticks both boxes, but 6 years instead of 4 and we shouldn’t do it….

‘what if we need to pay Riley Hardeman in 4 years time….’

Well how about we cross that bridge when we get to it. We need this bloke now. Our lack of a player like him stands out like dogs balls.

I never said Hardeman.

Try LDU, McKercher, FOS, Wardlaw etc etc

And with respect- the same shit regarding a few extra $$$ and a few extra years has been trotted out for CCJ, Polec, Stephens, Hall, Fisher, Greenwood, Tyson in recent years.

It was the same justification for very very favorable deals for Parker, Darling and Daniel also.

Parker, Daniel and Darling still have to EARN these deals.

The way some posters act on here they already have by their mere presence and “leadership” vibe.


The assumption because we pay $1m a season, we just automatically get a $1m player is hilarious (particularly when these players are at the end of their careers)

It’s part of the risk and there’s virtually no margin for error in that Maynard deal.

Just like there was nothing in the Richmond pick trade.

Seemingly the type of dogshit deal Rawlings is an expert at, at the moment.

What’s the pass mark for Maynards recruitment to return on that investment?

He’s going to need to play about 330-350 career games (so about the top 0.5% of all league players in history) to even play out the contract. If he doesn’t and we pay him out, it’s even worse pro rata. So what, it’s possibly then $1.1-$1.2m over 5 as an example?

 

[Mr north man]

Piss Rawlings off this guy couldn’t build a bunch of piss heads walking into pub. How this guy has job is beyond a joke. How about developing the kids you have in the same position then getting 29 year old over the hill footballer in 2 years time on a 6 year deal and ppl still support this rubbish. Go get stuffed Rawlings.

Understand your pain but the news is Rawlings and every other incompetent that our currently employed at the NMFC will be protected no sackings here.
Maybe if we are lucky enough we might get another BS review from the club to Sooth the pain of our supporters.

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

I never said Hardeman.

Try LDU, McKercher, FOS, Wardlaw etc etc

And with respect- the same shit regarding a few extra $$$ and a few extra years has been trotted out for CCJ, Polec, Stephens, Hall, Fisher, Greenwood, Tyson in recent years.

It was the same justification for very very favorable deals for Parker, Darling and Daniel also.

Parker, Daniel and Darling still have to EARN these deals.

The way some posters act on here they already have by their mere presence and “leadership” vibe.


The assumption because we pay $1m a season, we just automatically get a $1m player is hilarious (particularly when these players are at the end of their careers)

It’s part of the risk and there’s virtually no margin for error in that Maynard deal.

Just like there was nothing in the Richmond pick trade.

Seemingly the type of dogshit deal Rawlings is an expert at, at the moment.

What’s the pass mark for Maynards recruitment to return on that investment?

He’s going to need to play about 330-350 career games (so about the top 0.5% of all league players in history) to even play out the contract. If he doesn’t and we pay him out, it’s even worse pro rata. So what, it’s possibly then $1.1-$1.2m over 5 as an example?

What’s the pass mark? It’s nearly impossible to play that game with every trade or free agent. Freo just gave up early picks, plus 6 million over 5 for Bolton. He is what, a couple of years younger than Maynard. What’s his pass mark?

If Bolton comes out and has a brilliant 2-3 years, and freo push to that next level (top 4, flag), then Bolton is poo for for the remaining 2, would Freo regret it? Would it have been a ‘pass mark’, as he it would have been like he was on $2mill a year if they only get 3 good years. Plus the draft picks they give up. But it’s worth the risk to them as they feel that’s what they need NOW.

To me, that’s where we are at. We feel the team needs Maynard right now, and if we have to give up 6 years, instead of 4 to pry him away from Collingwood (which is nearly impossible for a small Melbourne club), then that’s what we do.

We have to pay overs for every player while we are in the hole we are. Whether it’s a sh*t kicker, an oldey, or a guy out of form looking for another chance, we are paying overs while we are in the position we are in. And especially for Maynard as he would be nearly one of the first 5 names to go up on the board each week at Collingwood.

If we want a player that’s a 6 out of 10, we have to pay him like a 8 out of 10. And if he turns around and when he plays like a 5 out of 10, we look like idiots.

The alternative is we sit on our hands, think ‘sh*t we need a Maynard type’, and trial 10 different blokes in that role over 4 years, and continue to bring it c grade stars that can’t make it anywhere else.

Look around the league, plenty of sides take risks on trades, and make plenty of f-ups. We can’t put our hands in our pockets cause of sh*t trades we made 4+ years ago.

 

[king of the road]

Great intent. But too much of a risk.

 

[GoRoos2023]

Great intent. But too much of a risk.

At this point it’s a bigger risk to not take big risks bringing in players who can give us a winning edge.

Otherwise the Dursmas, Goads etc will be picked off by our competition.

We have to start winning, we 100% have to be contending for finals next year.

The losing is going on too long now. Even tomorrow, we have to get in a winning position at some point.

Worries me if we have a 3-4 wins this year let alone next year.

I have been watching football a very long time, what’s happened to us and being bad so long is unprecedented.

We have to find a way to snap out of it quickly.

 

[Frank Thring]

I'd love Maynard, even on the proposed offer. Makes other walk taller, durable and a leader. Yes please.

 

[Samsquanch]

Possibly a goat rider is he is a card carrying masonic lodge member.

Next thing we'll be reading that he's intertwined in the JFK conspiracy files.

 

[chickenonachain]

It doesn’t matter how much we offer we ain’t getting shit.

 

[rickety]

It doesn’t matter how much we offer we ain’t getting shit.

We've already got shit

 

[koshari]

Great intent. But too much of a risk.

Actually that mason wood at st kilda is looking alright

 

[ferball]

Less than magoo

Crazy when you think about it.

 

[TheKanga]

Probably just his manager using to North to get a bigger deal with the Pies.

 

[archereleven]

Probably just his manager using to North to get a bigger deal with the Pies.

Bingo.

Extra 150k and extra year/s. Retires a 1 club premiership player.

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[kool kangas]

Probably just his manager using to North to get a bigger deal with the Pies.

Pies cant match that offer...

 

[TheKanga]

Pies cant match that offer...

I don't think they are supposed to, just sweeten the deal a little and an extra year.

 

[tricknologist]

I'd be surprised if this amounts to anything more than Maynard getting an extra year or two and 200k more per year from Collingwood

 

[kool kangas]

I'd be surprised if this amounts to anything more than Maynard getting an extra year or two and 200k more per year from Collingwood

If we are allegedly offering $1 million per year over 6 years compared to a Collingwood offer of say $900K over 2 years which they wouldn't do surely he would look at the better offer...

 

[backtothedraft]

Its difficult to comment on player contract value without understanding the intricacies of the salary cap and its future projections. Hypothetically we could have the flexibility to pay Maynard $1.8mil in 26’ and $1.2mil in 27’ while paying at 95% salary cap floor, before flattening out his contract at $500k for the remaining years. I can’t recall a time this century where North Melbourne has been publicly described as having a tight salary cap.

 

[Sphynx]

What’s the pass mark? It’s nearly impossible to play that game with every trade or free agent. Freo just gave up early picks, plus 6 million over 5 for Bolton. He is what, a couple of years younger than Maynard. What’s his pass mark?

If Bolton comes out and has a brilliant 2-3 years, and freo push to that next level (top 4, flag), then Bolton is poo for for the remaining 2, would Freo regret it? Would it have been a ‘pass mark’, as he it would have been like he was on $2mill a year if they only get 3 good years. Plus the draft picks they give up. But it’s worth the risk to them as they feel that’s what they need NOW.

To me, that’s where we are at. We feel the team needs Maynard right now, and if we have to give up 6 years, instead of 4 to pry him away from Collingwood (which is nearly impossible for a small Melbourne club), then that’s what we do.

We have to pay overs for every player while we are in the hole we are. Whether it’s a sh*t kicker, an oldey, or a guy out of form looking for another chance, we are paying overs while we are in the position we are in. And especially for Maynard as he would be nearly one of the first 5 names to go up on the board each week at Collingwood.

If we want a player that’s a 6 out of 10, we have to pay him like a 8 out of 10. And if he turns around and when he plays like a 5 out of 10, we look like idiots.

The alternative is we sit on our hands, think ‘sh*t we need a Maynard type’, and trial 10 different blokes in that role over 4 years, and continue to bring it c grade stars that can’t make it anywhere else.

Look around the league, plenty of sides take risks on trades, and make plenty of f-ups. We can’t put our hands in our pockets cause of sh*t trades we made 4+ years ago.

Bolton is 3 years younger than him. Which is an enormous difference, 26, in his prime, 4 of likely the best 4 years of his entire career coming…

Vs 29 and maybe 25% of his best years and a gradual decline from that point.

Deduct 3 years off the Maynard contract and you are in alignment with most people who have issue with the contract length..

Probability says Maynard is not playing 330-340 games, so you may as well load the reported contract value appropriately to $1.2m a season in real terms.

 

[backtothedraft]

Bolton is 3 years younger than him.

Deduct 3 years off the Maynard contract and you are in alignment with most people who have issue with that news.

Maynard is not playing 330-340 games, so you may as well load the reported contract value appropriately.

What if the last 2 years of his contract he’s only owed $400k?

 

[Sphynx]

What if the last 2 years of his contract he’s only owed $400k?

It’s not really relevant is it?

You’ve still paid him that amount over the course of his contract, regardless of the year it’s in.

Even if you have front loaded it, you could have diverted the money to front load others.

The counter argument is we could be paying Sheezel $100k (or any other player the available funds could have been used for) a season in those same seasons without paying a 34 year old Maynard to play in the VFL or a 35 year old Maynard a $600k settlement to spend the season on a beach in Europe…

Maynard getting a payout at 35 is a far more likely outcome than him being worth even $500k in year 6 and playing 340 career games…

Even going along with your argument for a minute, is Maynard then worth $1.4m a season as a 29 and 30 year old then?

You are entering Ben McKay territory there…

 

[bhoysdontcry67]

He won’t come. Next Collingwood captain.

 

[amaz199]

We're so fixated on the dollar values despite the fact we have plenty of cap room to facilitate bringing in players from other clubs to make a difference. A significant one at that.

What Maynard brings is a 'don't mess with us' edge and potentially, a unique bit of physical presence with Archer back there as well. Forwards will be looking over their shoulder with concern, lamenting the next possession knowing it's going to be hard-earned.

We've been laughed at, disrespected, embarrassed, humiliated and worst of all, haven't been able to respond.

I want that worry and fear back into our opponents. Its a mental game. Give us the mental edge.