North Recruiters overlook Brownlow winner!

[Might and Power]

2001

Selection #7 - David Hale
Selection #8 - James (Jimmy) Bartel

I guess the line "we pick the best player available in the early rounds" is simply not true given the example above of a 'tall' taken ahead of a 'mid'.

Either that or the recruiting department made one hell of an oversight.

Bad work.

 

[wooostace]

16 clubs missed the boat on James Hird also, 4-5 times infact.

 

[Mailman]

or Bartel has improved since he was drafted.......

Its a lottery in the draft. You are basing decisions on under age competition football while the players are still developing.

 

[pharro]

2001

Selection #7 - David Hale
Selection #8 - James (Jimmy) Bartel

I guess the line "we pick the best player available in the early rounds" is simply not true given the example above of a 'tall' taken ahead of a 'mid'.

Either that or the recruiting department made one hell of an oversight.

Bad work.

How many club boards are you posting that crap on tonight?

 

[Holycrap]

2001 we needed a ruckman and that's what we went for, hopeful Hale has a Hamish like year next year then that pick will be deemed a winner.

I can still remember in 05 or 06 that we made a play for Bartel when he was a bit disgruntled at the Cats..pity for us and lucky for them that he stayed

 

[Might and Power]

16 clubs missed the boat on James Hird also, 4-5 times infact.

Point would have made sense but for the fact that in 1990-91 recruiting was not, supposedly, as professional as it is today.

 

[Might and Power]

How many club boards are you posting that crap on tonight?

No...pharro, not crap, it is actually fact.

 

[pharro]

No...pharro, not crap, it is actually fact.

Care factor?

 

[flash_campbell]

would you rather port Westhoff at pick 71 or Aaron Edwards at pick 82 ?

 

[Might and Power]

would you rather port Westhoff at pick 71 or Aaron Edwards at pick 82 ?

Point?
Hale is not as effective as Bartel (although taken before Jimmy)
Westhoff is a much better player than Edwards ( hence Port got it right and selected him before a VFL player, at best).

 

[Might and Power]

Care factor?

So why jump in and make comment if you don't 'care'?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Bartel took a while to develop, to the point he was muted as trade bait after his first 2-3 seasons.

 

[Horace]

2001

Selection #7 - David Hale
Selection #8 - James (Jimmy) Bartel

I guess the line "we pick the best player available in the early rounds" is simply not true given the example above of a 'tall' taken ahead of a 'mid'.

Either that or the recruiting department made one hell of an oversight.

Bad work.

Ah the wisdom of hindisght.

How easy it is to be smart after the event. Or should one say be a smart a***?

 

[rooboy_88]

Didnt Sampi go at pick 6 in the 01 draft, if so at least dave is on the park

 

[BlueRoos]

2001

Selection #7 - David Hale
Selection #8 - James (Jimmy) Bartel

I guess the line "we pick the best player available in the early rounds" is simply not true given the example above of a 'tall' taken ahead of a 'mid'.

Either that or the recruiting department made one hell of an oversight.

Bad work.

and....

every club in the league has been guilty of 'missing out' on a quality player in the draft. Its not in exact science and one people would hardly lose sleep over. Big deal.

 

[year of the roo]

Bartel took a while to develop, to the point he was muted as trade bait after his first 2-3 seasons.

This is true, many Geelong supporters on BF were prepared to trade him for Leigh Harding

 

[Might and Power]

Ah the wisdom of hindisght.

How easy it is to be smart after the event. Or should one say be a smart a***?

Luke Molan was selected at 9 (never played an AFL game).
Sam Power was selected at 10 (ordinary).

Not exactly two players' of high/rare quality, Horace.

Just would have been nice given that three selections fell after Hale and furthermore of Bartel was selected to compliment somebody like Harris from the year before. Thereby, bolstering the midfield with two hard/inside midfield types.

 

[year of the roo]

Luke Molan was selected at 9 (never played an AFL game).
Sam Power was selected at 10 (ordinary).

Not exactly two players' of high/rare quality, Horace.

Just would have been nice given that three selections fell after Hale and furthermore of Bartel was selected to compliment somebody like Harris from the year before. Thereby, bolstering the midfield with two hard/inside midfield types.

Point...?

 

[Might and Power]

Point...?

Point. 'The wisdom of hindsight. Hardly a Cox Plate field followed the Bartel selection. So what were the knocks on Bartel by the recruiters.
That is my point.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Point. 'The wisdom of hindsight. Hardly a Cox Plate field followed the Bartel selection. So what were the knocks on Bartel by the recruiters.
That is my point.

I'd say, without any inside knowledge, the knocks on Bartel were that they felt Hale filled a bigger need and had more upside. Not that far-fetched.

 

[Horace]

Luke Molan was selected at 9 (never played an AFL game).
Sam Power was selected at 10 (ordinary).

Not exactly two players' of high/rare quality, Horace.

Just would have been nice given that three selections fell after Hale and furthermore of Bartel was selected to compliment somebody like Harris from the year before. Thereby, bolstering the midfield with two hard/inside midfield types.

Not exactly sure what you are trying to say there.

Perhaps the words "bad work" might be best left out of your original post, as it would seem that two other clubs (at least) also did not quite measure up in that draft.

It might also be worthwhile trying to establish what the main objective was in that and any draft for that matter. You say Bartel would have complemented Harris, however you forget that in the same year as Harris the club drafted Dylan Smith, who was widely tipped to be a gun midfielder. 2001 was too early to make a judgement on Smith, so it makes sense that a ruckman would be a priority before a midfielder.

Usually early in the draft clubs aim to pick players who will fill a specific weakness, rather than picking who they see as the best available talent.

So before you criticise, acquaint yourself with all of the facts, not just those that suit your purpose.

 

[moomba]

What a pointless thread.

 

[scottywiper]

These threads are CLEARLY the lamest on BF.
There are hundreds and hundreds of examples where average players got taken ahead of other players who went on to be stars.
Every club has done it, many times.
Drafting will always be an inexact science.

 

[giantroo]

These threads are CLEARLY the lamest on BF.
There are hundreds and hundreds of examples where average players got taken ahead of other players who went on to be stars.
Every club has done it, many times.
Drafting will always be an inexact science.

Just like Geelong missing out on Carey.

 

[RoyalBlue]

****ing shite thread.

Would have been far better to find a thread where trading for Bartel was mentioned, and posters said it was a bad idea.

Much better shit stirring, lift your game pillock.