Umpiring North v Pies R14 - Should have been 50m ?

Should a 50 have been paid to North in the last minute?

  • Yes it was a clear 50

    Votes: 204 90.3%

  • No

    Votes: 22 9.7%
  • Total voters
    226
  • Poll closed .

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Tarkyn_24 said:
The two Pies players also visibly respond to the whistle. Scott sneaks off whilst McCreery has his back turned to the play trying to establish where the umpire set the mark.

I agree that given the rightful play on call was not actually made that it’s a clear cut 50. But I’m less inclined to fall in line with the version of events you laid out leading up to it - he was “continuing on that path” for so long that where the Pies players corralled him was well outside the 5m protected zone (as can be seen from the Fox Footy screengrab). The umpire simply had to call something in that situation and failed on both counts.

The grandstanding pricks were late whistling things the entire day. Noticed it a tonne particularly in the first half. Stop being preening peacocks and make the decisions you’re paid to in a timely manner.
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He's taken the mark facing more towards the Collingwood goal and has continued on in that direction. It's certainly more backwards behind the mark then inboard.

First screenshot taken from when he's taken the mark vs the second screenshot when the umpire has blown the whistle.

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YeoShuey said:
Well thank god you are not an umpire then.

AFL needs more of this common sense umpiring.
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What. Just ignore obvious rule breaches?

Oh .......or have they changed interpretations AGAIN to now include common sense? Which seems to kick in in the final minutes of close games but not earlier in matches.

So hard to keep up with this umpiring department who seem to change interpretations as much as the change their undies.

And Shultz diving and flopping after he instigates contact. That was pretty average football all round.

No surprise Pies got the rub of the green.
 

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hotchilli said:
He's taken the mark facing more towards the Collingwood goal and has continued on in that direction. It's certainly more backwards behind the mark then inboard.

First screenshot taken from when he's taken the mark vs the second screenshot when the umpire has blown the whistle.

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Will acknowledge he has moved a touch backwards, but this more than anything shows how far inboard he had actually moved. The directionality is certainly onboard. The play on call should have come. The failing sits with the umpire, he should’ve whistled the mark immediately and didn’t. Scott wouldn’t have been so significantly off the mark and there wouldn’t have been any confusion whatsoever.

Again, I lean I would’ve paid the 50 but the whole lot was abysmally umpired.
 
TheKanga said:
After half time

Collingwood - 14 free kicks + 50m pen
North - 2 free kicks

Plus non touched goal decision against us
1pt loss

I wish Collingwood nothing but consecutive floggings for the rest of the season.
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Yep. Second half looked very one sided from the umps. Very one sided.

Almost like they didn't want to be blamed if the Pies lost.
 
Tarkyn_24 said:
Will acknowledge he has moved a touch backwards, but this more than anything shows how far inboard he had actually moved. The directionality is certainly onboard. The play on call should have come. The failing sits with the umpire, he should’ve whistled the mark immediately and didn’t. Scott wouldn’t have been so significantly off the mark and there wouldn’t have been any confusion whatsoever.

Again, I lean I would’ve paid the 50 but the whole lot was abysmally umpired.
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Go and properly watch the video. He's moved significantly further backwards then inboards.
 
King Hansen said:
It was blown and they ran over the mark
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But humans can't instantly stop. There is something called reaction time. Even then there is more time needed for the human body to go from top speed to stopping. All of this takes about half a second. The ump blows the whistle twice in quick succession. The time between the 1st and 2nd whistle is too fast for them to stop. The fact that both players react in the same way is a good indication of this. They both stop about half a second after the first whistle.
You could argue that if they were smarter they would have realised that the whistle was about to be blown and stopped. So it's 50. But they clearly both play the whistle.
 
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Pleasedontfail11 said:
But humans can't instantly stop. There is something called reaction time. Even then there is more time needed for the human body to go from top speed to stopping. All of this takes about half a second. The ump blows the whistle twice in quick succession. The time between the 1st and 2nd whistle is two fast for them to stop. The fact that both players react in the same way is a good indication of this. They both stop about half a second after the first whistle.
You could argue that if they were smarter they would have realised that the whistle was about to be blown and stopped. So it's 50. But they clearly both play the whistle.
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Please just stop. It was a clear missed 50 no arguments its the very definition of what a 50 meter is.
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
But humans can't instantly stop. There is something called reaction time. Even then there is more time needed for the human body to go from top speed to stopping. All of this takes about half a second. The ump blows the whistle twice in quick succession. The time between the 1st and 2nd whistle is two fast for them to stop. The fact that both players react in the same way is a good indication of this. They both stop about half a second after the first whistle.
You could argue that if they were smarter they would have realised that the whistle was about to be blown and stopped. So it's 50. But they clearly both play the whistle.
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Excuses excuses
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
But humans can't instantly stop. There is something called reaction time. Even then there is more time needed for the human body to go from top speed to stopping. All of this takes about half a second. The ump blows the whistle twice in quick succession. The time between the 1st and 2nd whistle is two fast for them to stop. The fact that both players react in the same way is a good indication of this. They both stop about half a second after the first whistle.
You could argue that if they were smarter they would have realised that the whistle was about to be blown and stopped. So it's 50. But they clearly both play the whistle.
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If players go over the mark it's 50m penalty. See Windhager get done vs Brisbane for much less blatant overstepping of mark?
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
Agree. But the ump doesn't blow the whistle until very late. There was no chance they could have not gone over the mark playing the whistle.
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They assumed it wouldn't be paid a mark. If players run around all game assuming players don't mark the ball when they catch it from a kick they will have 20 50m penalties paid against them for the match
 

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kaiserchief13 said:
They assumed it wouldn't be paid a mark. If players run around all game assuming players don't mark the ball when they catch it from a kick they will have 20 50m penalties paid against them for the match
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If they were thinking they might have assumed. I got no issue with it being called a 50. If fact it should have been called a 50 in my eyes. However there are reasons why 2 players (1 who has played over 300 games) ran over the mark.
The ump blew the whistle very late and the player was running backwards away from goal. Not his fault.
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
If they were thinking they might have assumed. I got no issue with it being called a 50. If fact it should have been called a 50 in my eyes. However there are reasons why 2 players (1 who has played over 300 games) ran over the mark.
The ump blew the whistle very late and the player was running backwards away from goal. Not his fault.
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Okay, Steve McBurney
 
This will be my last post on this game for my sanity and well being.

This is 44 year old karma on the Kangas for winning the night Grand Final against the pies back in 1980 when Kerry Good slotted a goal after the siren to win the match. From memory Malcolm Blight had the ball on the back line kick about to kick to Good when the siren went. The Umps claimed not to have heard the siren, which worked to our benefit.

That night I reckon that two fathers of pies players (Moore and Daicos) would have been in the line up. After the 1979 GF when Harmes was in the 2nd row knocking the ball to Sheldon for the winning goal, they copped 2 stinking decisions inside 6 months. They moved on, and so shall we move on. Let’s all look forward to doing the job on a busted up Demons this weekend.
 
hotchilli said:
Go and properly watch the video. He's moved significantly further backwards then inboards.
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Are you sure about that?

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M is where the mark was taken - this is the moment the two Pies players encroach forwards. It’s categorically 5 metres inboard.

So it’s either play on immediately was the correct decision - or if you want to attribute it to Scott’s own momentum, the mark has to be reset and he’s made to kick over it.

It is not as clear cut as people are trying to make it out to be.
 
Joffaboy said:
Watching that again, how could that not be a 50? the umpire blew the whistle as a mark and both players ran at least 5 metres over the mark.

My god that is the most gutless biased decision I have seen.

If the AFL doesn't come out and confirm that was a major mistake after their limp dick response after Hardwick had a sook, the conspiracy theories will look a lot more justifiable.
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Not only should they confirm it, they should strip Collingwood of 4 points and fire the umpire responsible.
 
Thought Daicos was superb in the last, nearly lifted as much as the umpires to get the Pies over the line.
Umpiring at an all time low and that’s saying something.
Astounding how inept they are.
The change of interpretation of HTB lasting a week and a bit. Now reverted back to being what it was.
Complete incompetence.
Incompetence that is now at a level that is influencing the results of games.
 
SuperSub17 said:
Are you sure about that?

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M is where the mark was taken - this is the moment the two Pies players encroach forwards. It’s categorically 5 metres inboard.

So it’s either play on immediately was the correct decision - or if you want to attribute it to Scott’s own momentum, the mark has to be reset and he’s made to kick over it.

It is not as clear cut as people are trying to make it out to be.
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Collingwood players haven't even stopped encroaching over the mark in this still, so it got even worse than this. Scott hadn't even stopped moving backwards by this point.

Yes, the umpire could have asked him to move around over the mark but that doesn't cancel out not 1 but 2 Collingwood players being in a position they shouldn't which is usually is an automatic 50
 

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