Now official - Fevola sacked

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TheBrownDog said:
Nor do they have an obligation to. Who are you and why should you be informed?
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Even funnier coming from a Carlton supporter. I've been vocal in the past in that i don't believe Fev's crimes are anything that major, but the fact is, he finds a way to put himself into these kinds of situations, and rightly or wrongly, it does affect as well as reflect our footy club. He has only been with us 12 months, that is something else to consider.

As i stated above, i doubt he is mentally in a state of mind to give himself 100% to the footy club, and anything less that that isn't good enough. He needs to rebuild his life, and the best place he can do that is in Melbourne close to his family.
 
Jimthegreat said:
How many chances would that be at Brisbane? Given he was cleared of the Bingle and Exposure charges, and gambling issues are totally non-footy related I'm tipping it's the one stuff-up. Your administration can't even tells us what he has done to been to be sacked. They has an obligation to tell the player, his management, the AFLPA and probably even paying members as to why he was sacked. But the chairman chickened out probably because he had nothing. Player still hasn't been told why specifically. Most of us don't consider their generalised explanation as a reason as there's nothing specific. Tells me they were looking for any old reason due to the perception of lots of unsubstantiated or non-footy related headlines.

Brisbane took him on knowing what he was like then ran for cover at the first sign of a bad headlines. Now it costs them 1.8 million and probably one or two of those young guns coming out of contract.

Tough to try to respect the club as it stands now.
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I'll probably get flamed for this, but I agree with you Jim.
 
Sigh. Here we go again.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...vola-as-a-payout/story-e6frf9jf-1226009696728

C'mon, do we have a leg to stand on? There is no behaviour clause in the contract. Frankly, that offer is a heap of garbage, imo. (If this is true, I admit the HUN is very suspect in their reporting)

Off to the courts we go... AGAIN! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but if we made the contract, we pay him the full amount. Got a problem with that, talk to the previous admin who approved the legalities.
 

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Hamilton is the worst journalist in the history of sport. Seriously! How often does this bloke have to write "it is believed" "it is understood" ?

I come into contact with school magazines and the kids write better than the unsubstantiated waffle that that bloke churns out. I do not want to get all conspiracy theory but the bloke just has to be a plant by the owners of the NRL for the complete rot that he puts out that pretends to be journalism.
 
dannitori said:
Sigh. Here we go again.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...vola-as-a-payout/story-e6frf9jf-1226009696728

C'mon, do we have a leg to stand on? There is no behaviour clause in the contract. Frankly, that offer is a heap of garbage, imo. (If this is true, I admit the HUN is very suspect in their reporting)

Off to the courts we go... AGAIN! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but if we made the contract, we pay him the full amount. Got a problem with that, talk to the previous admin who approved the legalities.
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While there may not be behavioral causes specific to Fev, there is plenty in the standard player contract and the AFL's code of conduct.

There are plenty of obligations that players have, several of which the media has reported that Fev has transgressed...while the club has hinted that he has fallen short with several others.

The standard obligations are:

1.1 Attend all training sessions and team meetings of the Club.
1.2 Obey all reasonable directions of the Senior Coach, President, and Secretary of the Club.
1.3 Play in all football matches in which he is selected to play or as otherwise directed by the Club unless a duly qualified Medical Practitioner rules him unfit to play.
1.4 Comply with all reasonable requirements of the Club relating to preparation for matches, attendance at social functions, behaviour and dress.
1.5 Not play or train for Australian Football with any other Club or team (save for a Victorian representative team or the league representative team) without first obtaining the consent in writing of the Club.
1.6 Do everything reasonably necessary to obtain and maintain the best possible physical condition so as to render the most efficient service to the Club and to submit from time to time and as and when required by the Club to a complete a thorough medical fitness test and examination.
1.7 Maintain membership of recognised hospital and medical benefits fund which provides hospital, medical and dental benefits coverage and includes ambulance subscription.
1.8 Not engage in any dangerous activity which in the opinion of the Club may affect the Player's ability to perform his obligations under this Contract without first obtaining the consent in writing of the Club.
1.9 During league matches, wear only such items of playing apparel as may be approved of or prescribed by the League and to the extent that the same are not inconsistent therewith, the Club.
1.10 Not comment on a matter which the Club has notified the Player is a matter upon which Players of the Club are not to comment publicly.
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Further, the code of conduct allows for the club to determine disciplinary action if the player's breaches are serious or persistent, and allows for termination of a player's contract for wilful misconduct. Is any of that language sounding familiar?
 
How many chances does this bloke want. In China he failed to meet his obligations by not attending a meeting and was kicked out of a Night Club in view of the bloody AFL President. Add to that his stupidity on New Years Eve, his failure to meet the standards set out by the club for his rehab. Then we hear, after all the transgressions and unprofessional conduct, that he is now willing to amend his contract to include behaviour clauses when its clear he will be lucky to get on the park if at all. This is bullsh1T.

Look I feel for the bloke, but the club stated in their press release and message to members: "We will provide assistance to Brendan that will provide him with an opportunity to obtain the necessary treatment required to maintain his health." In addition he is going to get a payout around $1.5 or $1.9m for 17 games.

Interestingly, we also hear quck smart that he will pursue a punting career in the US. He got a chance and blew it. He is doing the best thing possible for himself in attending the rehab clinic and he should stay there till he is ready. After that he should do his best to look after and provide for his family.

Unfortuantely Fev and Brisbane didn't work. Its time to move on. It is clear that we are going to be in the bottom qtr of the table IMO. And thats fine, we have a lot of youngsters coming through to look forward to, but as for now I for one back the club's decision and wish Fevola all the best for the future.
 
whatboutbob said:
Further, the code of conduct allows for the club to determine disciplinary action if the player's breaches are serious or persistent, and allows for termination of a player's contract for wilful misconduct. Is any of that language sounding familiar?
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Was that why he was sacked? Enlighten me! What, because he was too fat? :rolleyes:

On that, what 'persistent or serious' breaches were made? Lets break this down, 'serious', He got drunk on NYE, and shaped up to a cop... like 1000's of others. Its not like he got in bed with a deranged 17 year old like those St Kilda blokes, and as far as Im aware, Lynchy hasn't had a go at her. Now the discussion of 'persistant', what exactly (apart from NYE) has the guy done? Sweet F.A. Oh, my... he admited to a gambling problem! Hang him by the noose... WHAT A DOG!!!

Club... pay the hell up, you made the bed, lie in it! :mad:
 
dannitori said:
Was that why he was sacked? Enlighten me! What, because he was too fat? :rolleyes:

On that, what 'persistent or serious' breaches were made? Lets break this down, 'serious', He got drunk on NYE, and shaped up to a cop... like 1000's of others. Its not like he got in bed with a deranged 17 year old like those St Kilda blokes, and as far as Im aware, Lynchy hasn't had a go at her. Now the discussion of 'persistant', what exactly (apart from NYE) has the guy done? Sweet F.A. Oh, my... he admited to a gambling problem! Hang him by the noose... WHAT A DOG!!!

Club... pay the hell up, you made the bed, lie in it! :mad:
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Well, the incidents that have come out through the media, off the top of my head:

1) Missing a rehab session
2) Getting pissed and staying out all night while in rehab
3) Missing a team meeting in China

I imagine it could also be argued that he's brought the club and/or game into disrepute by "shaping up to a cop" as you put it.

And that is just what has come to light.

Back in October(?) the club hinted at 7 or 8 transgressions...that sounds fairly persistent to me.

While no single incident may be sufficient to terminate the contract, I can see how the club could reasonably have "lost confidence in his ability to meet his obligations as a player due to these persistent breaches", or as Browny paraphrased it, he's lost their trust.
 
TheBrownDog said:
Decent first offer.
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But he could get nearly another Million you would be dumb to try get it all.Get your legal's cost's refunded in full pay off his debt's and be on a clean slate.He did the right thing went to rehab and tried to straighten out his life to play for this football club.Now more disserpointment for the big fellar burying the man why his down you want to cause more psychological problem's well there is more money he can get to especially if he go's on a bender now.=)
 
whatboutbob said:
Well, the incidents that have come out through the media, off the top of my head:

1) Missing a rehab session
2) Getting pissed and staying out all night while in rehab
3) Missing a team meeting in China

I imagine it could also be argued that he's brought the club and/or game into disrepute by "shaping up to a cop" as you put it.

And that is just what has come to light.

Back in October(?) the club hinted at 7 or 8 transgressions...that sounds fairly persistent to me.

While no single incident may be sufficient to terminate the contract, I can see how the club could reasonably have "lost confidence in his ability to meet his obligations as a player due to these persistent breaches", or as Browny paraphrased it, he's lost their trust.
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Yep, believe the club. All I know is yet again, my membership dollars will most likely go to a bloody lawyer... again.

Have you ever thought about the fact that whenever the club make a poor decision, they wheel out Browny to 'smooth things over' with the fan base? (Paddle-Pop sound familiar?) He is paid to say that.

You have your view, I have mine... on most issues, I agree with you. but this one, I just can't. I think its outright wrong.
 
dannitori said:
Yep, believe the club. All I know is yet again, my membership dollars will most likely go to a bloody lawyer... again.

Have you ever thought about the fact that whenever the club make a poor decision, they wheel out Browny to 'smooth things over' with the fan base? (Paddle-Pop sound familiar?) He is paid to say that.

You have your view, I have mine... on most issues, I agree with you. but this one, I just can't. I think its outright wrong.
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Of course, to each their own.

I'm simply not jumping to conclusions. I will add, however, that given the personnel now in charge of the club, I am inclined to take their word over Fev's.
 
whatboutbob said:
Of course, to each their own.

I'm simply not jumping to conclusions. I will add, however, that given the personnel now in charge of the club, I am inclined to take their word over Fev's.
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I was hopeful of the new change, but still treading with caution. I'm still quite distrusting.

I like what Angus did with the Vic family day, (great day, may I add... renewed both my Brisbane membership, and my 'Roys too), I guess if you burn people so many times, it takes a lot of healing to get the trust back.
 

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dannitori said:
I was hopeful of the new change, but still treading with caution. I'm still quite distrusting.

I like what Angus did with the Vic family day, (great day, may I add... renewed both my Brisbane membership, and my 'Roys too), I guess if you burn people so many times, it takes a lot of healing to get the trust back.
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Fair enough. You know I understand the "burnt" feeling. I certainly wouldn't be this trusting if I hadn't had the opportunity to speak with both Angus and Steven at the AGM. Great to hear you had fun @ the Family day btw - I was sad I couldn't make it. Here's hoping it brought a few lapsed members back to the club!
 
dlanod said:
He wasn't dropped at all last year, missing weeks 5 and 6 due to injury (http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/93537/default.aspx) and weeks 17, 19 and 20 as well (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/06/2976002.htm?site=sport&section=afl). So where exactly did he come in and out of the team?


He had set tasks. He had about half a year as a tagger where he was solid, but the following year was rubbish. He had about a year where he played as a front runner with no defensive responsibilities and shone, but that's not a sustainable position.


Not a lot of "et ceteras" there. Not too many of our offloads (players, not draft picks) have had a stellar career.
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OK, I stand corrected in respect of Voss. Matthews however treated him less well. Remember the game against Port some years ago when we were being thrashed at half-time. Sherman was moved onto Motlop (I think) and the game changed. We won. Matthews was asked about the importance of the job Sherman had done It went something like - "yes, it was important." 2 or 3 weeks later Sherman was out (not injured, but I stand to be corrected, again!)
Remember the dying stages of our finals win against Carlton in 2009? Ball deep in Carlton's forward line, run out some 40 metres by Sherman against 2 Carlton players. General acclaim by the commentators. Oh he could play defensively.
I wasn't just talking about "offloads" nor "stellar" careers.
Try adding Bolton and Pratt to our backline, with Joel Macd as back-up. It's somewhat better isn't it? What about Tom Logan filling the utility position that Stiller plays - another improvement IMHO.
O'Bree and Gram in the midfield? Hadley also.
Henderson at fullback -(yes I know Merret won an award at the B & F's but like one other poster here I'm not crazy about him.)
(Apologies to any hardworking ex-Brisbane players from the last 12 years that I haven't thought of).
Some of these players walked out on the Club, quite a few in fact, with zilch compo.
We can't blame anybody else for that except the Club.
(Akermanis and Headland have been disregarded for these considerations)
 
FromOldFitzroy said:
OK, I stand corrected in respect of Voss. Matthews however treated him less well. Remember the game against Port some years ago when we were being thrashed at half-time. Sherman was moved onto Motlop (I think) and the game changed. We won. Matthews was asked about the importance of the job Sherman had done It went something like - "yes, it was important." 2 or 3 weeks later Sherman was out (not injured, but I stand to be corrected, again!)
Remember the dying stages of our finals win against Carlton in 2009? Ball deep in Carlton's forward line, run out some 40 metres by Sherman against 2 Carlton players. General acclaim by the commentators. Oh he could play defensively.
I wasn't just talking about "offloads" nor "stellar" careers.
Try adding Bolton and Pratt to our backline, with Joel Macd as back-up. It's somewhat better isn't it? What about Tom Logan filling the utility position that Stiller plays - another improvement IMHO.
O'Bree and Gram in the midfield? Hadley also.
Henderson at fullback -(yes I know Merret won an award at the B & F's but like one other poster here I'm not crazy about him.)
(Apologies to any hardworking ex-Brisbane players from the last 12 years that I haven't thought of).
Some of these players walked out on the Club, quite a few in fact, with zilch compo.
We can't blame anybody else for that except the Club.
(Akermanis and Headland have been disregarded for these considerations)
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Jeez - you forgot Nathan Buckley:D
 
whatboutbob said:
Fair enough. You know I understand the "burnt" feeling. I certainly wouldn't be this trusting if I hadn't had the opportunity to speak with both Angus and Steven at the AGM. Great to hear you had fun @ the Family day btw - I was sad I couldn't make it. Here's hoping it brought a few lapsed members back to the club!
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Yeah, I know you do. Great work by the way with pushing for Victorian access to AGM's. I don't know, Im one of those who sign up no matter what, the ones I know that have had their membership lapsed over the last couple of years will not be signing up again this year (a few members in my family are in this catagory). I think they want to 'wait and see' in regards to the new admin first, which is understandable. I would be doing the same if I wasn't so proud of my streak as a member (Fitzroy/Lions)... I want to get to 20 years, Im not that far off, so I just can't quit now! lol!

Judge said:
Cheer-up Dannitori, there's your silver lining right there!:D
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Touche! Maybe I should become a lawyer... Im sick of being broke! :p
 
FromOldFitzroy said:
OK, I stand corrected in respect of Voss. Matthews however treated him less well. Remember the game against Port some years ago when we were being thrashed at half-time. Sherman was moved onto Motlop (I think) and the game changed. We won. Matthews was asked about the importance of the job Sherman had done It went something like - "yes, it was important." 2 or 3 weeks later Sherman was out (not injured, but I stand to be corrected, again!)
Remember the dying stages of our finals win against Carlton in 2009? Ball deep in Carlton's forward line, run out some 40 metres by Sherman against 2 Carlton players. General acclaim by the commentators. Oh he could play defensively.
I wasn't just talking about "offloads" nor "stellar" careers.
Try adding Bolton and Pratt to our backline, with Joel Macd as back-up. It's somewhat better isn't it? What about Tom Logan filling the utility position that Stiller plays - another improvement IMHO.
O'Bree and Gram in the midfield? Hadley also.
Henderson at fullback -(yes I know Merret won an award at the B & F's but like one other poster here I'm not crazy about him.)
(Apologies to any hardworking ex-Brisbane players from the last 12 years that I haven't thought of).
Some of these players walked out on the Club, quite a few in fact, with zilch compo.
We can't blame anybody else for that except the Club.
(Akermanis and Headland have been disregarded for these considerations)
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This is all seriously backwards. If you want Gram, Bolton, Pratt and Hadley in the team, you have to think about who comes out of the team for them. That would in essence mean you would rather have Pratt and Bolton playing instead of Leppitsch and Mal Michael in the premiership years.

Gram was cut after a short time also, as he couldn't crack a game in such a solid defence. Remember, we lost players because our team was simply too good, in conjunction with salary cap issues caused by having so many champion players.

We de-listed Macdonald and as for Tom Logan and Hadley...just lol.
 
Lionheart182 said:
Gram was cut after a short time also, as he couldn't crack a game in such a solid defence. quote]

An aquaintance of mine (who is still playing at St Kilda) said Lethal Leigh told Gram he was the softest footballer he had come accross and wouldn't play him. Gram new his opportunities at the lions were gone and therefore asked for a a trade.
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