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Bunk Moreland said:
It's really not clear. Some are saying it was as simple error and they self reported.

Others are saying they self-reported because they were being investigated, knew they were over, so tried to get in first and "self report".

Someone else up there is saying a player was accidently paid twice for the whole season, it wasn't discovered until after the year and the investigation, the player immediately paid it all back. That version doesn't quite add up, if it was immediately paid back then I don't see them stripping a flag.

Seems nobody has actually reported the true story.
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I think I would realise pretty quickly if I had been paid twice. There will be plenty of clubs wanting to know what happened, if only to figure out how to avoid a similar situation.
I wonder how many of the players got a Premiership tatt after the GF?
Popping off to the O&M Forum to see what's happening.
 
I would imagine AFL Vic still do their annual audits on some clubs each year. They certainly were up to Covid.

Banging my head against the wall but the Caps are ridiculously low.

Many sides are struggling for 2s and part of the reason is that some senior players can earn significantly more working on a Saturday. Lost too the system now. Cost of living, interest rates, etc post Covid the pressure is only getting worse.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Sorry, not EFNL related but wowee... Wangaratta stripped of the Ovens & Murray flag for being over the salary cap!

That's massive and the first time it's happened across local footy.
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Especially When Torquay were over the cap and weren’t stripped of their flag and what went on with deer park. Good on the league
 

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Bobby Beecroft said:
I would imagine AFL Vic still do their annual audits on some clubs each year. They certainly were up to Covid.

Banging my head against the wall but the Caps are ridiculously low.

Many sides are struggling for 2s and part of the reason is that some senior players can earn significantly more working on a Saturday. Lost too the system now. Cost of living, interest rates, etc post Covid the pressure is only getting worse.
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Some clubs (those near the top of the local footy spectrum) want it increased but the vast majority don’t.

The problem is there just isn’t that many clubs who can (sustainably) afford to pay what it used to be.

Finding $200k+ per year to spend on players is simply nowhere near possible and never will be for most local clubs. A new $2k sponsor is a massive win for some.

And you need somewhat viable steps between divisions to make them effective. It’s no good having D1 or D2 at $80k then Premier at $180k. It needs to be somewhat incremental, going up one division can’t mean totally destroying your club in a vain attempt to compete, or going winless.
 
Bobby Beecroft said:
I would imagine AFL Vic still do their annual audits on some clubs each year. They certainly were up to Covid.

Banging my head against the wall but the Caps are ridiculously low.

Many sides are struggling for 2s and part of the reason is that some senior players can earn significantly more working on a Saturday. Lost too the system now. Cost of living, interest rates, etc post Covid the pressure is only getting worse.
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Yeah, playing the game for the love of it is lost. Only footy comps that should be paid players are AFL & VFL, not all players can work Saturdays, so let's see who is keen. $$$$$ has ****ed local footy and you want to increase the outlay. FMD!
 
You can get around the salary cap and we all know plenty of examples of cash, goods, or services being supplied to get around that. The most common is employment which is perfectly legit. The solution is pretty simple, if the clubs want the salary cap increased they have to have a trade-off and that should be total points get reduced by 10 points. The point system is what works.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I think they put something on their social media, sounded like one of the bad double lower leg breaks
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Yes he won’t play this year unfortunately. Got badly injured and now recovering. Likely to not play football again due to the serious nature of the injury which was a ‘freak’ accident.
 
A lot of talk about playing numbers is other leagues which is concerning.

Reserves from the weekend (max is 24)

24 Montrose, South Belgrave, North Ringwood, Wantirna South, Mitcham, Beaconsfield, Wav Blues, Mulgrave, East Burwood, Boronia, The Basin, Ringwood, Whitehorse, Warrandyte, Donvale, Scoresby
23 Templestowe, Ferntree Gully, Oakleigh District, Forest Hill, Nunawading, Chirnside
22 Bayswater, Mooroolbark (scored 1 point), Lilydale, Upper Gully, Knox, Fairpark, Coldstream, CNMLOC
21 Heathmont, Kilsyth
20 Croydon
15 Silvan

Things are strong other than Silvan, which might not be that surprising given how much Outer East clubs are said to be struggling.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Things are strong other than Silvan
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Depends on what you'd compare it to.
I can remember Mooroolbark around 2008 would have 23 missing out on a game in R1, let alone only being able to field 23 in ressies!
Personally I think any side that fielded less than 24 is (potentially) in for a bit of strike during the years once you allow for injuries etc.
 

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Glorfindel said:
Depends on what you'd compare it to.
I can remember Mooroolbark around 2008 would have 23 missing out on a game in R1, let alone only being able to field 23 in ressies!
Personally I think any side that fielded less than 24 is (potentially) in for a bit of strike during the years once you allow for injuries etc.
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the other concern is some clubs may have had under 19's doubling up which is not sustainable for very long
 
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
Can only read the intro, but he must have been out on bail when he committed these offences. Swindle your Dad!!!!! You can only speculate that maybe he's on the gear!
He was sentenced in 2020.
Fraudster found out | Pakenham Gazette
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Wasn’t that long no ago he was on the leagues radio coverage and the hosts and others used to ‘fawn‘ all over him and say he was so funny/ clever.

Has always been an idiot and his actions in recent times sum him up completely. Certainly wouldn’t call him a local football legend/ identity.
 
A former suburban footy president has sunk to a new low after he caught-out in a web of lies while ripping off his own dad.
Peter ‘Frosty’ Baird, 50, pleaded guilty in the County Court on Monday to multiple fraud charges.

Baird, formerly of Berwick, stole $230,073 via multiple rorts between October 2012 and May 2020.

Baird diverted $152,423 in Centrelink pension payments bound for his cash-strapped father into his own bank accounts.

Baird strung his dad along with a fake story that the pension payments couldn’t be accessed because his accounts were “locked”.

Baird told his dad he would “contact” the Financial Ombudsman Office to “assist in getting these accounts unlocked”.

Baird then rang his dad multiple times while posing as phony Ombudsman members to mask his skulduggery.

Baird also posed as Victorian premier Daniel Andrews to keep his dad on the dangle.

The court heard Baird sent his dad an email purportedly from Mr Andrews regarding the locked accounts.


The smoke and mirror job went on for several years before Baird’s dad demanded his son help him fix the problem.

Baird stepped it up a notch, telling his dad he was now “liaising” with then-Finance Minister Robin Scott’s office to “resolve the problem”.

Baird then called his father frequently while posing as members of Mr Scott’s staff.

Baird also told his dad he would make “contact” with local MP Kim Wells then repeated his phony modus operandi well into 2020.

The victim’s daughter emailed Mr Scott’s office regarding the matter but was told no one had heard of her father.

Baird fobbed off this minor setback with a phony story about “privacy considerations”.

Baird also took out a $42,650 loan for a brand new 2012 Dodge Journey and a $35,000 loan, both in his dad’s name.

The court heard Baird’s dad only worked part-time and later relied on his wife for money during the offending period.

Baird’s father said, in a statement read to the court, he “wants nothing more to do with his son”.

The conman’s deceit was found out after he was jailed for other fraud rackets.

Baird, a serial swindler who fronted court via videolink from custody, received his final bogus pension payment the day after he was handed a 45-month jail term in May 2020.

Baird was jailed for a bogus cheque racket which left a trail of victims, including the mother of his two children.

The fraudster threw around valueless cheques “like they were going out of style” to purchase cars, pay bills and rent and even lay down a deposit for a house.

Unwitting stooges webbed into Baird’s lengthy deceit between 2013 and 2014 included the Eastern Football and Netball League.

Baird also repaid the EFNL $692 with a bogus cheque after he lost a camera while he worked for the league’s media team.

In February 2014, Baird bounced three cheques to cover the $94,000 deposit on a $960,000 Lysterfield South property.

Baird, a former Rowville Football Club president, left his former partner with a $58,000 debt after he ducked on an agreement to cover bills in lieu of child support.

Instead, Baird “intercepted” the woman’s mail to make it appear he had paid the bills, the court was told.

She only found out not everything was right when contacted by debt collectors.

Baird attempted to clear the debt with a series of valueless $67,000 cheques.

Baird also paid another former partner’s interstate relocation costs — with a bogus cheque.

Baird also opened 10 accounts with Bankwest Online between July and December, 2014.

Baird then ripped off $82,000 by depositing cheques into these accounts in person then immediately withdrawing cash before the cheques could bounce.

Baird was interviewed by police in November 2015, then again in November 2017 when he admitted his crimes.

Baird played senior football with Knox and Koo Wee Rup and held an assistant coaching role at Surrey Park while offending
 
Big John Studd said:
A former suburban footy president has sunk to a new low after he caught-out in a web of lies while ripping off his own dad.
Peter ‘Frosty’ Baird, 50, pleaded guilty in the County Court on Monday to multiple fraud charges.

Baird, formerly of Berwick, stole $230,073 via multiple rorts between October 2012 and May 2020.

Baird diverted $152,423 in Centrelink pension payments bound for his cash-strapped father into his own bank accounts.

Baird strung his dad along with a fake story that the pension payments couldn’t be accessed because his accounts were “locked”.

Baird told his dad he would “contact” the Financial Ombudsman Office to “assist in getting these accounts unlocked”.

Baird then rang his dad multiple times while posing as phony Ombudsman members to mask his skulduggery.

Baird also posed as Victorian premier Daniel Andrews to keep his dad on the dangle.

The court heard Baird sent his dad an email purportedly from Mr Andrews regarding the locked accounts.


The smoke and mirror job went on for several years before Baird’s dad demanded his son help him fix the problem.

Baird stepped it up a notch, telling his dad he was now “liaising” with then-Finance Minister Robin Scott’s office to “resolve the problem”.

Baird then called his father frequently while posing as members of Mr Scott’s staff.

Baird also told his dad he would make “contact” with local MP Kim Wells then repeated his phony modus operandi well into 2020.

The victim’s daughter emailed Mr Scott’s office regarding the matter but was told no one had heard of her father.

Baird fobbed off this minor setback with a phony story about “privacy considerations”.

Baird also took out a $42,650 loan for a brand new 2012 Dodge Journey and a $35,000 loan, both in his dad’s name.

The court heard Baird’s dad only worked part-time and later relied on his wife for money during the offending period.

Baird’s father said, in a statement read to the court, he “wants nothing more to do with his son”.

The conman’s deceit was found out after he was jailed for other fraud rackets.

Baird, a serial swindler who fronted court via videolink from custody, received his final bogus pension payment the day after he was handed a 45-month jail term in May 2020.

Baird was jailed for a bogus cheque racket which left a trail of victims, including the mother of his two children.

The fraudster threw around valueless cheques “like they were going out of style” to purchase cars, pay bills and rent and even lay down a deposit for a house.

Unwitting stooges webbed into Baird’s lengthy deceit between 2013 and 2014 included the Eastern Football and Netball League.

Baird also repaid the EFNL $692 with a bogus cheque after he lost a camera while he worked for the league’s media team.

In February 2014, Baird bounced three cheques to cover the $94,000 deposit on a $960,000 Lysterfield South property.

Baird, a former Rowville Football Club president, left his former partner with a $58,000 debt after he ducked on an agreement to cover bills in lieu of child support.

Instead, Baird “intercepted” the woman’s mail to make it appear he had paid the bills, the court was told.

She only found out not everything was right when contacted by debt collectors.

Baird attempted to clear the debt with a series of valueless $67,000 cheques.

Baird also paid another former partner’s interstate relocation costs — with a bogus cheque.

Baird also opened 10 accounts with Bankwest Online between July and December, 2014.

Baird then ripped off $82,000 by depositing cheques into these accounts in person then immediately withdrawing cash before the cheques could bounce.

Baird was interviewed by police in November 2015, then again in November 2017 when he admitted his crimes.

Baird played senior football with Knox and Koo Wee Rup and held an assistant coaching role at Surrey Park while offending
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What are the rules around clearances. I noticed that some players have played for a new club while there clearance is still pending not just in the Efnl but other leagues as well
 
Big John Studd said:
A former suburban footy president has sunk to a new low after he caught-out in a web of lies while ripping off his own dad.
Peter ‘Frosty’ Baird, 50, pleaded guilty in the County Court on Monday to multiple fraud charges.

Baird, formerly of Berwick, stole $230,073 via multiple rorts between October 2012 and May 2020.

Baird diverted $152,423 in Centrelink pension payments bound for his cash-strapped father into his own bank accounts.

Baird strung his dad along with a fake story that the pension payments couldn’t be accessed because his accounts were “locked”.

Baird told his dad he would “contact” the Financial Ombudsman Office to “assist in getting these accounts unlocked”.

Baird then rang his dad multiple times while posing as phony Ombudsman members to mask his skulduggery.

Baird also posed as Victorian premier Daniel Andrews to keep his dad on the dangle.

The court heard Baird sent his dad an email purportedly from Mr Andrews regarding the locked accounts.


The smoke and mirror job went on for several years before Baird’s dad demanded his son help him fix the problem.

Baird stepped it up a notch, telling his dad he was now “liaising” with then-Finance Minister Robin Scott’s office to “resolve the problem”.

Baird then called his father frequently while posing as members of Mr Scott’s staff.

Baird also told his dad he would make “contact” with local MP Kim Wells then repeated his phony modus operandi well into 2020.

The victim’s daughter emailed Mr Scott’s office regarding the matter but was told no one had heard of her father.

Baird fobbed off this minor setback with a phony story about “privacy considerations”.

Baird also took out a $42,650 loan for a brand new 2012 Dodge Journey and a $35,000 loan, both in his dad’s name.

The court heard Baird’s dad only worked part-time and later relied on his wife for money during the offending period.

Baird’s father said, in a statement read to the court, he “wants nothing more to do with his son”.

The conman’s deceit was found out after he was jailed for other fraud rackets.

Baird, a serial swindler who fronted court via videolink from custody, received his final bogus pension payment the day after he was handed a 45-month jail term in May 2020.

Baird was jailed for a bogus cheque racket which left a trail of victims, including the mother of his two children.

The fraudster threw around valueless cheques “like they were going out of style” to purchase cars, pay bills and rent and even lay down a deposit for a house.

Unwitting stooges webbed into Baird’s lengthy deceit between 2013 and 2014 included the Eastern Football and Netball League.

Baird also repaid the EFNL $692 with a bogus cheque after he lost a camera while he worked for the league’s media team.

In February 2014, Baird bounced three cheques to cover the $94,000 deposit on a $960,000 Lysterfield South property.

Baird, a former Rowville Football Club president, left his former partner with a $58,000 debt after he ducked on an agreement to cover bills in lieu of child support.

Instead, Baird “intercepted” the woman’s mail to make it appear he had paid the bills, the court was told.

She only found out not everything was right when contacted by debt collectors.

Baird attempted to clear the debt with a series of valueless $67,000 cheques.

Baird also paid another former partner’s interstate relocation costs — with a bogus cheque.

Baird also opened 10 accounts with Bankwest Online between July and December, 2014.

Baird then ripped off $82,000 by depositing cheques into these accounts in person then immediately withdrawing cash before the cheques could bounce.

Baird was interviewed by police in November 2015, then again in November 2017 when he admitted his crimes.

Baird played senior football with Knox and Koo Wee Rup and held an assistant coaching role at Surrey Park while offending
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I can’t even put into words what I think of this individual after reading this. They certainly didn’t do character references for the EFNL media team. Like I said in a previous post, they used to ‘fawn’ all over this scumbag when he was involved and thought he was so funny and smart. Unforgivable what he has done to his Father.

is Ray Baird on the EFNL media team his brother? No disrespect but if he is I would probably be tapping him on the shoulder and saying it may be a good idea he moved on.
 
Bobby Beecroft said:
Unfortunately Ray is the Prix father.
Different perspective now no doubt LFG.
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Ray,s contribution to sport is outstanding and still playing vets cricket in the over 70,s.With cricket he has played overseas with Australian vets sides and cricket umpired in the RDCA for a long time.Also been involved in RDCA cricket media and EFNL football media over a long period of time.
 

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