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Voice of the G said:
That is correct.I have been involved in cricket for over 20 years and nearly all that time looked after cricket scorebooks,early days we had to fill out the match report and send off to the BHRDC.Life got better when we started loading them on the My Cricket site which at times is a time consuming job especially if the scorebooks are not filled out correctly.Nearly all RDCA junior games are now lived scored,sure there has been issues with the My Cricket system but beats trying to put a U12 scorebook on with runs/wickets/no balls and wides if out.(If more then 2 runs out will not take,that is RDCA).The big advantage with live scoring is every one can see the progress of the game whether you are at the ground or other parts of the state.Just need volunteers to live score and more and more parents are willing to do and realise it is easier then doing the scorebook.


Back to football and my understanding is that the app.is far easier then cricket.At the end of the game I think both teams put their goalkickers and best players on and usually by 6PM you can see all the details.At Mitcham in the 1,s we usually update the score after every score even if only a point.Personally this week end I hope all games can be kept up to date as I will not be at any football,an eye operation on Friday and I think the medical boys will recommend stay at home.
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The system can go into as much detail as you like (individual player scorers etc) but all that is really needed for live scoring is

1. Press the button when the quarter starts (doesn't matter if it's a few seconds or more early or late, it's just for online, its not the official clock)

2. Add +1 goal and +1 behind when it happens (there a minus button if you make a mistake)

3. Press the button when the quarter ends (again, if it's a bit late it doesn't matter, it's not the official clock, its just to mark the quarter as live or ended online)

That's it, very simple for anybody, or for a goal umpire it's no different to the pen and paper.

Get it done for all senior games and you would have up to the minute scores for everybody across the whole afternoon. It's very do-able.

Once the scores are officially confirmed by the goal umpires at the end of the game, they're entered as the final scores - this already happens.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
The system can go into as much detail as you like (individual player scorers etc) but all that is really needed for live scoring is

1. Press the button when the quarter starts (doesn't matter if it's a few seconds or more early or late, it's just for online, its not the official clock)

2. Add +1 goal and +1 behind when it happens (there a minus button if you make a mistake)

3. Press the button when the quarter ends (again, if it's a bit late it doesn't matter, it's not the official clock, its just to mark the quarter as live or ended online)

That's it, very simple for anybody, or for a goal umpire it's no different to the pen and paper.

Get it done for all senior games and you would have up to the minute scores for everybody across the whole afternoon. It's very do-able.

Once the scores are officially confirmed by the goal umpires at the end of the game, they're entered as the final scores - this already happens.
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You want the goal umpires to press end quarter etc??? If you want live scores it has to be through Timekeepers/scores, at end of each quarter the umps will confer and ensure that timekeeper/scorer adjusts if scoreboard incorrect, surely a simple application to be added to the app used by the timekeepers/scorers to update live scores, no need to add extra to umps. What if they chase a wide shot and slip over breaking the phone? OR if they get get caught up with players crashing in to them and phone is smashed? How do we operate the system?

Onus for live scores is on the individual clubs. Not officials, paid or not paid.

Maybe the Umpiring coaches who are assessing umpires at ground could do it, maybe boundary umps can have phone in shorts pocket or even the fieldy as they have not much to do other than make decisions.
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
It isn't done through scoreboards it's updated through the scorer's IPad. Updating scores has been a problem for the EFNL for years. It's just lack of willingness and effort by the EFNL to do anything about it. Even MyCricket has problems with some teams updating scores, don't they GMac!
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I know, but the technology already exists that they don’t have to touch the scoreboard, they’d only have to update the app on the iPad and that would update the scoreboard automatically.

Clubs have no issues keeping the scoreboard up to date most of the time so it’s simply getting them to use a different device and it’s no extra work.
 

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gelder01 said:
You want the goal umpires to press end quarter etc??? If you want live scores it has to be through Timekeepers/scores, at end of each quarter the umps will confer and ensure that timekeeper/scorer adjusts if scoreboard incorrect, surely a simple application to be added to the app used by the timekeepers/scorers to update live scores, no need to add extra to umps. What if they chase a wide shot and slip over breaking the phone? OR if they get get caught up with players crashing in to them and phone is smashed? How do we operate the system?

Onus for live scores is on the individual clubs. Not officials, paid or not paid.

Maybe the Umpiring coaches who are assessing umpires at ground could do it, maybe boundary umps can have phone in shorts pocket or even the fieldy as they have not much to do other than make decisions.
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They press start / end quarter to update the website only. It's not the actual game clock.

The goal umpires already do scoring on their pen and paper so if one does it that way and the other electronically then it makes sense to me. No extra work.

If the phone breaks then the phone breaks. It might happen on very rare occasions. Who cares. Carry the scorecard and a pen as backup.

I hate to say it but I reckon the days of pen and paper might eventually come to an end anyway.

But if the timekeepers do it, no big deal imo. Just thought it was a good solution with no extra work.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
They press start / end quarter to update the website only. It's not the actual game clock.

The goal umpires already do scoring on their pen and paper so if one does it that way and the other electronically then it makes sense to me. No extra work.

If the phone breaks then the phone breaks. It might happen on very rare occasions. Who cares. Carry the scorecard and a pen as backup.

I hate to say it but I reckon the days of pen and paper might eventually come to an end anyway.

But if the timekeepers do it, no big deal imo. Just thought it was a good solution with no extra work.
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Why does 1 timekeeper (usually the visiting side) have to fill in the piece of paper for times players enter/leave field and the goals/points kicked each quarter by the competing sides.The latter the goal umpires do any way.
 
As a back up measure in case of discrepancies. If there is an investigation because the two goal umpires cards don't match, the timekeepers score card will be taken into consideration in proceedings because they need to start and stop the clock and between them they ensure that an accurate record is kept.

It goes back to the days when clubs provided goal umpires for all matches.
 
MortlockWatcher said:
As a back up measure in case of discrepancies. If there is an investigation because the two goal umpires cards don't match, the timekeepers score card will be taken into consideration in proceedings because they need to start and stop the clock and between them they ensure that an accurate record is kept.

It goes back to the days when clubs provided goal umpires for all matches.
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Exactly, it’s a majority rules situation so if the timekeepers card matches 1 goal umpire, that’s the official score.
 
eddiesmith said:
Exactly, it’s a majority rules situation so if the timekeepers card matches 1 goal umpire, that’s the official score.
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So what is the difference between the timekeeper using the app instead of the timekeepers card? Mortlock Watcher you are correct in your post about the timekeeper using the paper recording scores though.
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
They press start / end quarter to update the website only. It's not the actual game clock.

The goal umpires already do scoring on their pen and paper so if one does it that way and the other electronically then it makes sense to me. No extra work.

If the phone breaks then the phone breaks. It might happen on very rare occasions. Who cares. Carry the scorecard and a pen as backup.

I hate to say it but I reckon the days of pen and paper might eventually come to an end anyway.

But if the timekeepers do it, no big deal imo. Just thought it was a good solution with no extra work.
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Why not put it to Umpires associations throughput Victoria?

I would be interested in their feedback!

Cheers
 
gelder01 said:
Why not put it to Umpires associations throughput Victoria?

I would be interested in their feedback!

Cheers
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They’d say no I reckon because people hate change that doesn’t directly benefit themselves.

But it’s about weighing how much extra work it is (manual recording vs phone) against the benefit.

We live in a world of instant info now, every other sport seems to have found a way to do it, it’s quite ridiculous when you could add up all the people following them and it’d be less than those following local footy, yet they can’t see live scores. Just make it happen, umpires or otherwise.
 
gelder01 said:
Why not put it to Umpires associations throughput Victoria?

I would be interested in their feedback!

Cheers
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And to the EFNL and the clubs and you as a footballer supporter as well.Basically we have a app that will give us live scores of all games but we are not using it properly.Fully understand the problem of lack of volunteers but suggestions have been thrown up like 1 goal umpire uses the app/1 time keeper uses the app or just a supporter in the crowd.The Lilydale Head Trainer messaged me today to say she puts the scores on their app. when she can but 2 roles is a to big task for a person in that very important role as head trainer on match day.
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
They’d say no I reckon because people hate change that doesn’t directly benefit themselves.

But it’s about weighing how much extra work it is (manual recording vs phone) against the benefit.

We live in a world of instant info now, every other sport seems to have found a way to do it, it’s quite ridiculous when you could add up all the people following them and it’d be less than those following local footy, yet they can’t see live scores. Just make it happen, umpires or others
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If you don’t put forward your suggestions how can we get rid of ink & paper?
Don’t be put off by me, I’m only one umpire.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
They’d say no I reckon because people hate change that doesn’t directly benefit themselves.

But it’s about weighing how much extra work it is (manual recording vs phone) against the benefit.

We live in a world of instant info now, every other sport seems to have found a way to do it, it’s quite ridiculous when you could add up all the people following them and it’d be less than those following local footy, yet they can’t see live scores. Just make it happen, umpires or otherwise.
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Like every other sport, get the time keepers to do it, simple. It’s not even an extra job, it replaces updating the scoreboard which they already do!!!

Silly to think the goal umpires should be responsible for live scoring.
 

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eddiesmith said:
Like every other sport, get the time keepers to do it, simple. It’s not even an extra job, it replaces updating the scoreboard which they already do!!!

Silly to think the goal umpires should be responsible for live scoring.
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Maybe it’s silly, maybe not. You can reimagine things that were previously constrained by technology.

The official score is the one in the goal umpires pocket. That’s the info that needs to be seen.

We put in place all these things like scoreboard operators, checking of scoreboards and waving of flags, these extra steps because of what we had (pen and paper). Now the score in the umpires pocket could go directly to the scoreboard or online. Why not redesign it?

They can still check and confirm the score with each other at the end of each quarter. Or even before if they could - in a tight game I’m sure everybody would prefer the scoreboard was accurate at the next break in play rather than finding out it was wrong after the game.
 
On this I timekeep and live score for my young bloke. Given the ground situation for Blackburn juniors this year we’re a bit fluid including playing games at Whitehorse reserve where the scoreboard is still tin numbers and a walk from the timekeepers table. The team manager thought this was too much work which I said bollocks to - fairly easy to watch time, keep score and live score (the latter a bit of a wank for kids). Easy to do both - my biggest frustration is live scoring doesn’t ‘carry through’ with goal kickers who then need to be manually re-entered with best and final result…


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CliffMcTainshaw said:
It isn't done through scoreboards it's updated through the scorer's IPad. Updating scores has been a problem for the EFNL for years. It's just lack of willingness and effort by the EFNL to do anything about it. Even MyCricket has problems with some teams updating scores, don't they GMac!
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The ENFL lacks the ability to make the call, they would rather have a luncheon at some restaurant and enjoy some nice red as they discuss matters they deem more concerning.
 
eflreceiver said:
The ENFL lacks the ability to make the call, they would rather have a luncheon at some restaurant and enjoy some nice red as they discuss matters they deem more concerning.
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All you need is a phone. The EFNL need a rocket to instruct clubs to put in the scores and if that cannot be done find another way.
Click on the link below. See page 8&9 for what has to be done. Page 9 shows how simple it can be for live scores. Should not be difficult to find a volunteer to do it.
https://websites.mygameday.app/get_file.cgi?id=3491983
 
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CliffMcTainshaw said:
All you need is a phone. The EFNL need a rocket to instruct clubs to put in the scores and if that cannot be done find another way.
Click on the link below. See page 8&9 for what has to be done. Page 9 shows how simple it can be for live scores. Should not be difficult to find a volunteer to do it.
https://websites.mygameday.app/get_file.cgi?id=3491983
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Would I be correct in saying that your club would have to give you permission to use the app and if they do you can not put details on if at an away game.
 
Hard to understand how clubs can operate an electronic scoreboard at their ground but ask them to replicate that score online while the match is in progress and they're somehow incapable of doing so. Should not be that hard to do.
 
Bowlers Name said:
Hard to understand how clubs can operate an electronic scoreboard at their ground but ask them to replicate that score online while the match is in progress and they're somehow incapable of doing so. Should not be that hard to do.
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They don't do it, simply because live scores either aren't being monitored or the requirement to do so isn't being enforced by the EFNL.
There is a requirement as set out in the Bylaws and Rules - Match & Team Officials – Roles. This can be found on page 5:

LIVE SCORES

The home club in each Senior Division (Premier to Four inclusive) match must enter the Senior
Live Scores into the online result database quarter by quarter (minimum requirement) and
the final score immediately following the complete of the match.
(I'd say complete is meant to be completion)

It's there as a requirement, it's just that either the EFNL is unaware scores are not being submitted (unlikely) OR they are not enforcing their Bylaws and Rules. Go figure out why that might be!
 
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