O and M 2011 Season

[Hornie]

Maybe Albury are trying to become that representative side in the Eastern league.Certainly looking to stockpile talent.How many of these kids will be walk up starts though?Can't see the Tigers loosing more than 1 or 2 from this years side,add Vasamarkis next year along with Cal McClay and these kids will be playing reserves.How many will get to GWS from that?
Mahery retained this years list and Stevens sent a letter to every kid he has coached through the program so there are recruiting links there but as Sanson pointed out in Friday's paper at what cost?Would reckon most of these kids would come thinking that GWS doors will open but how long will they stay if they are in the early game?The ripple effect is the opportunities that the local boys will miss out on as these highly credentialled kids come in over the top.Interesting scenario if they lose the locals and the imported kids don't stick around....(Or it all will work and everyone plays for second for the next 10 years lol)

It would appear that Stevens is selling himself as the saviour for young kids wishing to get the GWS as he will get them in, or so he is telling them, hope he can live up to his crap as he is possibly telling up to 50 or 60 kids that he is the man.

Fair ego young Danny but can he deliver. At least the last bloke who coached Albury could because he never filled their head with crap as seems to be the new way of doing things.

Why did Stevens ring Sanson following the Hampton news? Maybe he does have a conscience???? Or does he think he can run the world and still have everybody love him and his club???? NOT!!!!! Must have been an interesting reply from Timba....

 

[Beamdogg]

Why would the blokes in the Magoos go bush when they get as much playing at Albury 2nds as they can in the bush, which is certainly the case for many at Tigerland.

The Bulldogs must have found a money tree!!!!

Lol they actually get paid **** all in the twos. The club stitches them up a beauty.

 

[GETONCONNORS]

Brad Murray to Myrtleford posted on the GV board, anyone on here heard the same. Would be a massive pick up, had another great season in the GV.

 

[CentreHalfBench12]

Brad Murray to Myrtleford posted on the GV board, anyone on here heard the same. Would be a massive pick up, had another great season in the GV.

Lets hope so Connors!!! Big fan of Brad though i'd be better if he was at our club. Really hope the standard grows this year and i think it will with a few more guns to come. Good to see Hennaman back Corowa will be very happy. Heard Lee Schmidt, Sam Carpenter and a couple other may find there way back there to?? Fill us in Flowerpower??

How is Wang Magpies Reruiting??

Raiders signed 2 VFL Player as reported on here a couple of week back?

Bring on the footy season!

 

[eastlakes rule]

Extremely poor form by Danny Stevens. As for his links in respect to GWS, really he has no pull whatsoever, particularly from a recruiting perspective. Danny as we know has been involved in the NSW/ACT system since 07 when he coached the u18's with Rohan Smith. That role continued till the end of 09.
His coaching window in terms of getting a role at the elite level was during that period and in terms of coaching Albury its simply a justification that he hasn't got what it takes to coach at the elite level.

From a playing with Albury / identified by GWS perspective, what an absolute joke. Playing Ovens and Murray and getting an opportunity in AFL system are worlds apart. Realistically 17/18 year old kids who arnt playing TAC Cup and representing Vic Country or NSW/ACT, and are playing O &M are realistically not a chance, at that point in time, of getting picked up. Evidenced by when was the last player directly taken from the O & M? Karl Norman in 01? Ten years ago?

Lonnie's contribution to Albury next yr will be minimal with Bushies commitments anyway. However, if Danny Stevens is really an advocate for junior development, why poach a young player who has been developed by lavington?? ... "Come and play under me and i'll develop you to be a draftable player"? If you want to be a drafted player, you dont want to be spending anytime playing country footy thats for sure, you want to be playing TAC Cup week in week out.

The Football Vic program is miles ahead of the NSW/ACT program, particularly the Bushies program.

 

[HBFlanker]

Lol they actually get paid **** all in the twos. The club stitches them up a beauty.

What would a tigers reserves player usually get paid??

 

[harmesy 37]

The recruitment of Hampton from Lavington to Albury opens up some interesting discussion points:

Is Albury now seen as a pathway to potential GWS recruitment?
Will local juniors get more exposure to GWS if they play with Albury than any other O&M club?
Has Albury's coaching selection been a masterstroke - GWS links, recruiting kids with GWS aspirations, not having to pay them as much as established players?
Should the O&M be looking at a 'representative' Albury/Wodonga side to play in the Eastern (Canberra, Swans, GWS) League? This would then become a more showcase side and a more obvious pathway toward GWS for the region.

Interesting times

If this is the case this is showing a remarkable lack of respect to other great clubs such as North Albury & Lavo.

I don't think you can get people from outside Albury to come in and create one fake team to transplant on top of the proper teams. It would damage the local comp.

A representative Albury team for the whole of the city wouldn't work as the population isn't great enough to compete with the Canberra team, and it assumes that players from further afield can make do with all the travelling. What if you are a great player and you are from Mulwala? Does that mean you should drive to Albury 3 times a week to play in a rep. team?

Let players such as Dylan McNeill play for Lavington, and go through the system from there. Show a bit of respect to the clubs already in Albury and bring the specialised coaching to them direct with high quality clinics for all clubs- not just Albury.

 

[BILC]

What would a tigers reserves player usually get paid??

$50 - 100 a game

 

[stuyd1]

$50 - 100 a game

Your kidding, $50 to $100 a game for playing reserve grade, shit, how does a club afford that.......

 

[forward pocket]

Your kidding, $50 to $100 a game for playing reserve grade, shit, how does a club afford that.......

Some of the top end Albury 2nd's players (if that makes sense) actually get their senior wage even when playing in the two's. Somewhere near $200. They can seem to afford it and do so to keep a strong healthy 25 - 26 senior group together. Seems to work I guess but very costly....

 

[BILC]

Your kidding, $50 to $100 a game for playing reserve grade, shit, how does a club afford that.......

Nope, i would say its quite normal right across the board in the O&M that most reserves players would probably get $50 a game

 

[head16]

Nope, i would say its quite normal right across the board in the O&M that most reserves players would probably get $50 a game

Sad isn't it. Not every club would pay in that $50-$100 range, i know Lavi doesn't.

Doing some figures
21 players at $50 each = $1050 to get your 2's on the park each week.
So around $20,000 for the year.

If there is a few $150-$200 players in amongst them it obviously goes up.
5 players at $150 = $750 and 16 at $50 is $800 = $1550 a week.
$28,000 a year.

So a reserves budget for teams paying $50+, with coach included, of $20-35k is probably realistic.
I'd say most teams in the comp would be working on numbers in the range of $10,000-$15,000.

Obviously paying the higher prices puts pressure on the finances, but it would help keep the list together.

You can see why the district clubs would find it easier to pick off the seconds and fringe 1's players from clubs on the lower end of the pay rate and why the clubs that pay more manage to keep their boys. Quick look at the recent history of the seconds would indicate Albury and Yarra are paying more than all the other clubs.

 

[cecil]

$50 - 100 a game

Where do you get your figures from can I ask?
I am friends with someone who plays for Albury (2nds and seniors occasionally, so he would be in the top 5 or so seconds players) who has said that a fair few of the seconds players play for free just for the run. A fair few still get paid obviously but its towards the bottom of that scale (including him).
I think the money factor at Albury is over-played. Yes they most-likely do pay more than rival clubs but they seem to have their house in order very well. I know that some of the younger players get help from GWS with training plans and fitness etc. For a young player who is trying to take that next step that could be seen as a pretty big incentive.

 

[wheateater]

Sad isn't it. Not every club would pay in that $50-$100 range, i know Lavi doesn't.

Doing some figures
21 players at $50 each = $1050 to get your 2's on the park each week.
So around $20,000 for the year.

If there is a few $150-$200 players in amongst them it obviously goes up.
5 players at $150 = $750 and 16 at $50 is $800 = $1550 a week.
$28,000 a year.

So a reserves budget for teams paying $50+, with coach included, of $20-35k is probably realistic.
I'd say most teams in the comp would be working on numbers in the range of $10,000-$15,000.

Obviously paying the higher prices puts pressure on the finances, but it would help keep the list together.

You can see why the district clubs would find it easier to pick off the seconds and fringe 1's players from clubs on the lower end of the pay rate and why the clubs that pay more manage to keep their boys. Quick look at the recent history of the seconds would indicate Albury and Yarra are paying more than all the other clubs.

I can't speak for the Tigers but I play for yarra 2's. Except for maybe 3 or 4 senior fringe players no one else got paid anything. We played together because we're all mates and are having a great time. The footy club look after us by paying our registrations, for our uniforms and we get to keep our jumpers but no match payments. We even had 3 seconds players travel from Melbourne each week (ex locals) who didn't put their hand out for fuel $, they just came back each week becuase they love the club and had a ball playing with their mates.

A lot of crap gets spoken on here about people who are just speculating, and have no knowledge about what they are posting here. I think you'l find it's the same with Albury, you build a good club that everyone loves to be a part of and your retention rates will be high. It's a far bigger factor than offering $50 - $100 a game to the seconds.

 

[head16]

Where do you get your figures from can I ask?
I am friends with someone who plays for Albury (2nds and seniors occasionally, so he would be in the top 5 or so seconds players) who has said that a fair few of the seconds players play for free just for the run. A fair few still get paid obviously but its towards the bottom of that scale (including him).
I think the money factor at Albury is over-played. Yes they most-likely do pay more than rival clubs but they seem to have their house in order very well. I know that some of the younger players get help from GWS with training plans and fitness etc. For a young player who is trying to take that next step that could be seen as a pretty big incentive.

I think you've contradicted yourself.

 

[head16]

I can't speak for the Tigers but I play for yarra 2's. Except for maybe 3 or 4 senior fringe players no one else got paid anything. We played together because we're all mates and are having a great time. The footy club look after us by paying our registrations, for our uniforms and we get to keep our jumpers but no match payments. We even had 3 seconds players travel from Melbourne each week (ex locals) who didn't put their hand out for fuel $, they just came back each week becuase they love the club and had a ball playing with their mates.

A lot of crap gets spoken on here about people who are just speculating, and have no knowledge about what they are posting here. I think you'l find it's the same with Albury, you build a good club that everyone loves to be a part of and your retention rates will be high. It's a far bigger factor than offering $50 - $100 a game to the seconds.

Nice post wheaty. I'm glad to hear the yarra boys don't need to have the promise of money to play for the pigeons. It's a pat on the back for the YFNC and the flag this year in the 2's a deserved reward. I'd say the one thing I'd see as an advantage for Yarra is location. As in, its the only option for lots of people in the immediate area when it comes to playing O&M footy. Obviously Corowa isn't far away but anyone west of Yarra/Mul should be playing at Yarra should they want to play O&M, whatever grade.

As far as payments go, most of the regular Lavi seconds players would get paid enough to cover all of those kinds of things you mentioned - uniforms, jumpers, membership etc much the same as the yarra boys. We use an incentive scheme where each week there is money up for grabs for our best few players. Some is voted on by the players and some given by the coaching staff. So our better players during the season could expect to cover their costs and maybe end up with a $300-$500 cheque come seasons end.

As for the idea that people on here are just speculating, I think most of us on here are well aware of that. It's kind of what bigfooty is all about - speculation, rumour, predictions, banter and even plain old lies sometimes. Surely no one is expecting that our mates forward pocket, Bend_It_Like_Cotchin, Hornie or anyone else on here has access to all the player payments from their respective clubs. If they did have access to such info (which means they are the treasurer, footy manager, secretary or someone like that) I don't think they are likely to post it on here, it just wouldn't make any sense.

I agree with your comment "if you build a good club that everyone loves to be a part of, your retention rates will be high". But some are spending a few extra dollars which has got to be helping.

 

[cecil]

I think you've contradicted yourself.

Not really, money is ofcourse a factor, but not the only factor like some people on here make out. Albury obviously have a good set up and are reaping the benefits of that. Personally, I think Lavi's model of player payments is great, and most important for them, sustainable.

 

[Gun Recruit]

Not really, money is ofcourse a factor, but not the only factor like some people on here make out. Albury obviously have a good set up and are reaping the benefits of that. Personally, I think Lavi's model of player payments is great, and most important for them, sustainable.

Your exactly right cecil, a clubs level of spending is completely reliant on 'sustainability'. No one wants to be remembered as the club that wins a flag then folds.
However, this is where the anomaly lies, and the league surely is acutely aware of it:
Albury's 'sustainability' = $500K + per season - They want another player, they ask Jossy for more money - they get him - Simple as that !
Rest of the comp (with varying degrees of 'sustainability') - Work really hard developing young players and rely very appreciatively on small business supporters to manufacture a level of player payment around $150-180K per season.
Wodonga's past 'sustainability' plan = wrong !
This is not a pot shot at Albury - they are very lucky to have someone passionate about their club who is a good businessman, who worked hard, and enjoys seeing his club succeed.
But surely, in country footy, there has to be a line.

 

[no orange peeler]

[/b]

Your exactly right cecil, a clubs level of spending is completely reliant on 'sustainability'. No one wants to be remembered as the club that wins a flag then folds.
However, this is where the anomaly lies, and the league surely is acutely aware of it:
Albury's 'sustainability' = $500K + per season - They want another player, they ask Jossy for more money - they get him - Simple as that !
Rest of the comp (with varying degrees of 'sustainability') - Work really hard developing young players and rely very appreciatively on small business supporters to manufacture a level of player payment around $150-180K per season.
Wodonga's past 'sustainability' plan = wrong !
This is not a pot shot at Albury - they are very lucky to have someone passionate about their club who is a good businessman, who worked hard, and enjoys seeing his club succeed.
But surely, in country footy, there has to be a line.

Like helping out a fellow club who is struggling wipe their debt as well as aide them by employing their coach. Yes Jossy loves his Tigers and will do what he can to help them succeed, but he also respects the league as a whole, and will do what he can to see it remain strong.

There is no short answer. salary caps don't work because all it does is end up with pools and pergolas been built.
Point system may not work, as the league would love as many high profile players playing in the league, if only one or two clubs can afford it then you sell the league short. can't cap it at juniors as Myrt and to a degree corowa will struggle.

As for 2's payer payments i've been involved in recruiting at District level for 6 or 7 years now and it's near on impossible to get the top end Albury 2's players away. 1 they pretty well match your offer, 2. the clubs sustained success means they are a chance of playing Grand final day every year. 3. they have some bloody good saleman at Albury.

Back when i was at Albury 7 years ago every 2's player got paid a min of $25 a game. No one played for free. obviously they would have risen.
But hey if they can sustain it good luck to them. I have on good authority that Yarra's budget far exceeds Albury's.

 

[T.Perry]

As for 2's payer payments i've been involved in recruiting at District level for 6 or 7 years now and it's near on impossible to get the top end Albury 2's players away. 1 they pretty well match your offer, 2. the clubs sustained success means they are a chance of playing Grand final day every year. 3. they have some bloody good saleman at Albury.

Back when i was at Albury 7 years ago every 2's player got paid a min of $25 a game. No one played for free. obviously they would have risen.
But hey if they can sustain it good luck to them. I have on good authority that Yarra's budget far exceeds Albury's.

That's super impressive, that you're not only one of the few privy to exact figures on how much albury spend but also one if the few who know at Yarra, as well.. What are the exact figures for each club..? How much exactly is each big name player getting..?

Remember, Ednie only played a few games so wouldn't have taken a lot, smith would be on less than most imagine, probably barnes & Stevens would be their highest paid. It's purely speculation because I haven't seen any individual contracts, but I couldn't imagine Yarra would spend significantly more than albury.

I have heard yarra's main sponsor has pulled out, which may make it harder for them to keep top line recruits. Some GV clubs are in talks with a few big names from pigeon land.

 

[BILC]

I actually do have access to the figures the players are being paid at my club. But I'm not going to tell anyone.

It's very impressive to hear from wheaty that a lot of the Yarra players are playing for donuts and they still managed to win a flag in the reserves, i can tell you that at our club all the reserves players are getting paid at least a base payment of a dislosed amount every week, plus the players in the reserves that are also in the senior fold get more on top of that.

Interesting to hear that Yarra might actually be paying players more than Albury, i find that hard to believe.

 

[Beamdogg]

To be honest I think Yarra pay more than Albury.

It costs alot more getting players to come up from Melbourne every week when Albury has 0 travellers.

 

[The Plague]

To be honest I think Yarra pay more than Albury.

It costs alot more getting players to come up from Melbourne every week when Albury has 0 travellers.

I can't quite figure out whether you are on drugs, stupid, mischievous or just trying to be funny! How about the benefit of the doubt and we'll just have a laugh eh?

 

[no orange peeler]

To be honest I think Yarra pay more than Albury.

It costs alot more getting players to come up from Melbourne every week when Albury has 0 travellers.

thats what my source alluded to

 

[Beamdogg]

thats what my source alluded to

Well when you got 8-10 coming up from melbourne you gotta pay all them over 1000 a game.

Blokes at albury on 1000+ a game would be 3-4. I know these figures.

Blokes at albury that work at Joss....10+

Depends how you look at it. Jossy gives them a job cause most of them are chippys or work in Facility management part. Its the job which Joss beats all other clubs off with.