Official Cameron White Thread

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Watson has played 2.5 Tests. Your argument is bunk on his Test performances.

You have failed to comment on Cam White. Answer the thread.

As far as Watson's Test performances go, he's done nothing and his first-class record is not compelling enough to warrant more opportunities.

It's not like I'm Cameron White's biggest fan, so don't pretend that I am.

I can understand why the selectors are picking him though.

You've pointed out many times that Watson is unsuited to coming in at #7 or #8. He can't hit boundaries until he's established an innings. I think the selectors fancy White as a lower-order hitter who can bowl a bit.

They want a big-hitting all-rounder who can accelerate things late in the innings. Symonds now commands a spot further up the order, and Watson has not demonstrated an ability to lift the run-rate in the last 6-7 overs. That's why Cameron White has a certain appeal.

Time will tell. If he doesn't perform, he'll get dropped.

 

[linger_isgod]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

His poor average in limited overs suggests otherwise. He is more likely to fail than succeed.

Infinitely more suited at 7 or 8 than Watson. Personally, I'd be playing Hopes there. Watson isn't an Ian Harvey type player, which is what that role is suited to. Hopes and White are.

Keep in mind that White made his debut at 17/18 as a bowler, and his batting stats are a bit distorted by that.

Nor has he done the county thing which tends to help a lot of Australian FC players' averages. Seems as though he'd prefer to say under the coach's eye over the off-season - served him pretty well in getting the captaincy

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

His poor average in limited overs suggests otherwise. He is more likely to fail than succeed.

Maybe so. Time will tell whether your hypothesis is borne out.

But if White can make 20 runs at better than a run-a-ball each innings and bowl 4-6 overs at a decent economy rate, he'll be a valuable player.

If he doesn't perform, he should be dropped. You won't get any arguments on that point from me.

All I'm saying is that I can understand the nature of his appeal. And realistically, who are the best ODI spinners in Australia at the moment?

Hogg is unlikely to be at the WC, and Warne may stay retired. It's not impossible that White could command a spot as a specialist spinner in the WC squad.

 

[just maybe]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Maybe so. Time will tell whether your hypothesis is borne out.

But if White can make 20 runs at better than a run-a-ball each innings and bowl 4-6 overs at a decent economy rate, he'll be a valuable player.

If he doesn't perform, he should be dropped. You won't get any arguments on that point from me.

All I'm saying is that I can understand the nature of his appeal. And realistically, who are the best ODI spinners in Australia at the moment?

Hogg is unlikely to be at the WC, and Warne may stay retired. It's not impossible that White could command a spot as a specialist spinner in the WC squad.

Cullen is so much better than White as a spinner it's not funny.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

It's the one day team, they use it to see if players are up to test cricket, they shouldn't but they clearly do. Don't pretend that a one day cap = a test cap.

 

[johnnyhoward]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Cullen is so much better than White as a spinner it's not funny.

No s**t sherlock. White is so much better than Cullen as a batsman it's not funny.

 

[outback jack]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

both very average players, although from a one day perspective Watson did surprise a bit this yr. You can only hope cam white doesnt think hes the next warney.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Bloody hell, does just maybe continue to look like a bigger fool or what?

White is there for the 25-30 runs at a run a ball or better in the last 5-10 overs, thats why his average aint higher, he doesnt usually bat for very long as there aintlong in the game left

Watson cannot adapt to that role, thats why he gets bagged, either he learns to play the no7role or he waits untill he is the best no4 in the country, so he never plays for Aus again in other words because atm White is a far better batsman for that role

 

[just maybe]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Bloody hell, does just maybe continue to look like a bigger fool or what?

White is there for the 25-30 runs at a run a ball or better in the last 5-10 overs, thats why his average aint higher, he doesnt usually bat for very long as there aintlong in the game left

He's not good enough for that, and if what you said was true, his average would be higher because he'd have more not-outs.

Your knowledge of cricket is limited at best, eddie.

 

[Smokey_22]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

No, Watson gets bagged because most people on here are Victorian.

Thats pretty obvious.

 

[Power21]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Bloody hell, does just maybe continue to look like a bigger fool or what?

White is there for the 25-30 runs at a run a ball or better in the last 5-10 overs, thats why his average aint higher, he doesnt usually bat for very long as there aintlong in the game left

Watson cannot adapt to that role, thats why he gets bagged, either he learns to play the no7role or he waits untill he is the best no4 in the country, so he never plays for Aus again in other words because atm White is a far better batsman for that role

Bu*****t, He clearly doesnt play is 20 to 30 runs a game role very well because if he was so good he would have not outs, which would boost his average, and what about in the pura cup?

He wont play a test match as afr as im concerned, and if he does it will be an absolute joke.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Watson cannot adapt to that role, thats why he gets bagged, either he learns to play the no7role or he waits untill he is the best no4 in the country, so he never plays for Aus again in other words because atm White is a far better batsman for that role

Spot on.

Those defending Watson's batting are at pains to point at that he's unsuited to the #7 role. Instead they want him to bat at #4.

How unrealistic can you be?

If Watson is unsuited to the #7 role then he shouldn't play there. But to suggest he should be automatically promoted in the order is unbelievably stupid. There are at least 6 other batsmen more deserving of a spot in the ODI side and there's absolutely no reason Watson should leap-frog those guys.

If Watson can't contribute at #7 then there's no spot for him in the team. It's that simple.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Bu*****t, He clearly doesnt play is 20 to 30 runs a game role very well because if he was so good he would have not outs, which would boost his average, and what about in the pura cup?

He probably goes out looking for quick runs.

Who cares about his average? He bats low in the order. The nature of his position is pretty hit and miss. He's there to swing the bat.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Want the reason WHite is in the team?

Australia A innings (50 overs maximum)                          R   B   4  6
MJ North              c Sarwan           b King                 9  33   1  0
*+BJ Haddin                              b Bradshaw             6  10   0  0
BJ Hodge              c Marshall         b King                 3   7   0  0
DJ Hussey                                b Bravo              128 123  12  1
DJ Thornely           c Marshall         b Bravo               17  34   1  0
MEK Hussey                               b Bravo               16  28   1  0
CL White              c Bradshaw         b Gayle               61  57   1  2
DG Wright                                b Bravo                5   4   0  0
B Lee                 not out                                   1   2   0  0
NM Hauritz            not out                                   1   2   0  0
Extras                (b 1, lb 5, w 10)                        16
Total                 (8 wickets, 50 overs, 219 mins)         263

Australia A innings (50 overs maximum)                          R   B   4  6
JR Hopes              c Sarwan           b King                18  14   1  0
MJ North                                 b Collins              7  10   1  0
BJ Hodge              c Marshall         b Dillon              14  19   1  0
MEK Hussey            c Browne           b Samuels             70 115   4  0
DJ Hussey             c Browne           b Bravo                5   9   1  0
*+BJ Haddin           c Browne           b Dillon               4   9   0  0
CL White              c Dillon           b King                59  68   2  1
B Lee                 c Samuels          b King                23  36   1  0
NM Hauritz            c Marshall         b Bravo               24  18   2  0
ML Lewis              not out                                   5   4   0  0
SW Tait               not out                                   1   1   0  0
Extras                (lb 5, w 5, nb 3)                        13
Total                 (9 wickets, 50 overs)                   243

Australia A innings (20 overs maximum)                          R   M   B  4 6
JR Hopes                                 b Shoaib Akhtar        8  12   8  1 0
*+BJ Haddin                              b Shoaib Akhtar        2   5   5  0 0
BJ Hodge              c Taufeeq Umar     b Mohammad Khalil     13  14   8  3 0
MEK Hussey            c Azhar Mahmood    b Iftikhar Anjum      21  28  17  2 1
DJ Hussey             c Shoaib Akhtar    b Abdul Razzaq        50  52  43  4 1
CL White              not out                                  58  42  38  6 1
MJ North              not out                                   9  10   6  1 0
Extras                (b 5, lb 2, w 1, nb 10, pen 6)           24
Total                 (5 wickets, 20 overs, 84 mins)          185

 

[Power21]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

3 innings?

Watson has played 3 good one day innings.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

3 innings?

Watson has played 3 good one day innings.

3 out of 4, not bloody bad

He is a fine lower order batsman who has performed brilliantly forAustralia A

 

[just maybe]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

3 out of 4, not bloody bad

He is a fine lower order batsman who has performed brilliantly forAustralia A

Don't you mean he's a mediocre lower order batsman who comes off occasionally and has had a couple of good innings for Australia A?

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

The only place Watson comes before White is alphabetically.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Don't you mean he's a mediocre lower order batsman who comes off occasionally and has had a couple of good innings for Australia A?

No-one is saying that Cameron White is a superstar batsman.

What is important though, is whether he's a more effective lower order batsman than Shane Watson.

You've said repeatedly that Watson is unsuited to that role. Cameron White is clearly better-equipped to come in late and swing the bat.

Do you disagree?

 

[just maybe]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

No-one is saying that Cameron White is a superstar batsman.

What is important though, is whether he's a more effective lower order batsman than Shane Watson.

You've said repeatedly that Watson is unsuited to that role. Cameron White is clearly better-equipped to come in late and swing the bat.

Do you disagree?

We'll have to wait and see. At this stage no, his limited overs form is generally miserable.

 

[apollo_creed]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

No s**t sherlock. White is so much better than Cullen as a batsman it's not funny.

People this is the guy that thinks its plum LBW when the ball pitches 3 or 4 inches outside leg-stump.

Who cares who the better batsman is?

There are so many better batsman than White its not funny.

Theres only two better spinners than Cullen at the moment and there both around the 35 years old age bracket.

White average batsman, average bowler, average cricketer. Theres no argument to that people so don't even bother.

Watson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> White

 

[apollo_creed]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

3 out of 4, not bloody bad

He is a fine lower order batsman who has performed brilliantly forAustralia A

You've actually said something correct for once Eddie.

He is a fine LOWER ORDER batsman.

Sadly champ LOWER ORDER batsman can usually bowl.

 

[F/D]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

Watson is terrible.


Please Australia, play him.

 

[Cooldude]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

As much of a Cullen fan as I am, if we ever find a young top class leggie after Warnie retires, then the selectors should stick to the leggie. Our selectors have had a history of picking leggies over offies.

And that top class young leggie will never, ever be White

 

[johnnyhoward]

Re: If Watson doesn't deserve a cap, why are there no criticisms of Cameron White?

People this is the guy that thinks its plum LBW when the ball pitches 3 or 4 inches outside leg-stump.

No. I had the TV on in the background at work and Tubby was saying Lara should have been out. Of course, I later saw the replays.

Who cares who the better batsman is?

There are so many better batsman than White its not funny.

Theres only two better spinners than Cullen at the moment and there both around the 35 years old age bracket.

White average batsman, average bowler, average cricketer. Theres no argument to that people so don't even bother.

Watson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> White

You have to realise White and Cullen won't be competing for the same spot in the team. A batting all-rounder versus a pure spinner. At the moment white shouldnt be in the side, but there's no question he is improving and his combination of solid batting, handy bowling, and tactical nous will hold him in good stead for the future.