Preview OFFICIAL PREVIEW - Brisbane Lions v Carlton Sunday August 7 @3.20pm at the GABBA

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I'm not looking forward to this game. Unfortunately we have a lot of downhill skiers, apart from Coleman, Neale, Starch, I'm pretty frustrated with the rest. Who wants to be premiers this year?????
Vossy will smell the blood in the water.
I hope I'm wrong.
 
Some home truths in article from AFL site
But will we seen any changes
Should beat Carlton at home with them missing 2 important midfielders in Kennedy & Hewett

Defend, defend, defend
And we're not talking just the back six here, which has seen 14 different faces the past month and should be back to full strength with Daniel Rich and Brandon Starcevich returning against Carlton. Brisbane's leaky defence starts with its forwards and midfielders. As stats provided by Champion Data show, the Lions are too easy to score against. Since their inconsistent streak started in round 10, they've conceded a score from 10 per cent of the opposition's rebound 50 chains, which is ranked 13th in the AFL. They're also ranked 13th in scores conceded from turnovers and 16th for conceding a score from opposition inside 50s. Brisbane has arguably the most talented forward line in the competition, but do they work hard enough without the ball? Who's sacrificing their chance at kicking a goal to be front-and-square and apply defensive pressure? Charlie Cameron leads the League for tackles inside 50, so who's coming with him? Watch when Brisbane turns the ball over as forwards and midfielders get beaten by their opponents, leaving defenders isolated. All 18 have a responsibility and all 18 need to improve.

Be brave at the selection table
One of Fagan's greatest strengths, possibly his greatest, is his loyalty to his players. Once you've earned his trust, you don't lose it. That has led to great continuity, with a core group of 25-30 players doing the bulk of the work in four terrific seasons. However, over the past 10 weeks, a few of his trusted soldiers (in the footy sense) should be testing his patience. Mitch Robinson has already been dropped twice this season and is starting to show the signs of his combative 244-game career. Jarryd Lyons – unbelievable with three top-four best and fairest finishes since joining late in 2018 – has dropped off, particularly in the past nine weeks. His role has slightly changed with Rhys Mathieson's inclusion recently. One of Brisbane's primary ball-winners simply isn't winning it as his usual rate. Reliable defender Darcy Gardiner has been below his best. Fellow experienced players need to lift as well, but Fagan and his match committee might need to be brave at selection and make some big calls. The credits in the bank last only so long.

Leadership in big moments
Not as easy to measure, but most people know it when they see it. When the game is on the line, who is standing up to win that one-on-two contested ball, taking that intercept mark, executing that rundown tackle or kicking that crucial goal under pressure? Who's getting their hands dirty during tight moments in big games? Like Trent Cotchin, Joel Selwood, Taylor Adams or Luke Parker. Captain Dayne Zorko, vice-captain Harris Andrews and six other players have official leadership roles at the club. Lachie Neale produced a scintillating patch following four quick Lance Franklin goals in round seven to steady the ship. Not enough of the leaders have seized those moments, particularly on the road in big matches against Fremantle, Melbourne and Richmond. There'll be plenty of chances before season's end.

Arresting momentum
Brisbane's game plan works – emphatically. You don't win 58 of your past 80 home and away games without a great plan and great execution. But against the absolute elite, things aren't always on your own terms, as they weren't against the Tigers. Whether it's the coaching panel or the on-ground leadership, things are sometimes slow to change. Whether that's slowing the ball movement down to take the opposition crowd's energy away (which the Lions tried for a few minutes in the second half on Sunday), bringing an extra player up to stoppages to help create an advantage or at least a repeat ball-up, or even using a player to tag an opponent cutting loose. The Lions have done all of these things in spurts, and to good effect, but whether it's one or all of the above, it'll be crucial to nail in the big matches.
 

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be interesting selection meeting

Do you pick younger guys who have potential
or do you pick guys who running out of credits in the bank

Club never talks about injury problems seems a few guys carrying things.

Honestly not been the same guys each week.
Although a few of the same names come up bad of late.
 
davemc_lions said:
be interesting selection meeting

Do you pick younger guys who have potential
or do you pick guys who running out of credits in the bank

Club never talks about injury problems seems a few guys carrying things.

Honestly not been the same guys each week.
Although a few of the same names come up bad of late.
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The roar deal touched on this but more of a focus on do you reward players for our first half performance or punish them for the second half performance
 
Nathan Barley said:
The roar deal touched on this but more of a focus on do you reward players for our first half performance or punish them for the second half performance
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Not just talking the Tigers games
Someone like M Robbo is it worth biting the bullet say give Prior or Sharp games into finals.
As even their off games it help next year.

I do feel we hope someone like Lyons get back into form.
Although would Dev be better? or maybe Dev will not be.. we just do not know

I think it was easier for Harris, McStay, McCluggage, Berry to get a run of games when they where younger
Now we up there sometimes seems easier to go back and hope a older player can come out of the slump

Look at McStay is his form down as he carrying something.. Or all the will he go or will he not playing on his mind as he does not know
or he has gone and half checked out.. No idea.
Maybe play Fort or Fullarton instead..

Just seem to be going back to what worked before.. Instead of trying what work in the future
 
davemc_lions said:
Not just talking the Tigers games
Someone like M Robbo is it worth biting the bullet say give Prior or Sharp games into finals.
As even their off games it help next year.

I do feel we hope someone like Lyons get back into form.
Although would Dev be better? or maybe Dev will not be.. we just do not know

I think it was easier for Harris, McStay, McCluggage, Berry to get a run of games when they where younger
Now we up there sometimes seems easier to go back and hope a older player can come out of the slump

Look at McStay is his form down as he carrying something.. Or all the will he go or will he not playing on his mind as he does not know
or he has gone and half checked out.. No idea.
Maybe play Fort or Fullarton instead..

Just seem to be going back to what worked before.. Instead of trying what work in the future
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Yeah Robbo is the obvious one to drop but in terms of making some tougher calls; Lyons was pretty good in that first half so do you keep him in and hope he does that more consistently or go with someone else?
 

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Nathan Barley said:
The roar deal touched on this but more of a focus on do you reward players for our first half performance or punish them for the second half performance
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I don't buy the rewarding based on a half of footy, the game is over 4Q's. However I do not believe there will be too many changes, apart from the obvious. I think Fages likes to go with the senior/seasoned players, and whilst still a hope for top 4 can kind of understand.
 
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I don't buy the rewarding based on a half of footy, the game is over 4Q's. However I do not believe there will be too many changes, apart from the obvious. I think Fages likes to go with the senior/seasoned players, and whilst still a hope for top 4 can kind of understand.
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I guess more do we think the players on the weekend who executed at a high level for a half are more or less likely than bringing in reserve players to play at the same level for longer
 
Nathan Barley said:
Yeah Robbo is the obvious one to drop but in terms of making some tougher calls; Lyons was pretty good in that first half so do you keep him in and hope he does that more consistently or go with someone else?
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He was good in the first half as there was very little defensive running required. Became a liability in the second half when the Tigers pressure amped up.

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Nathan Barley said:
Yeah Robbo is the obvious one to drop but in terms of making some tougher calls; Lyons was pretty good in that first half so do you keep him in and hope he does that more consistently or go with someone else?
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Lyons racked up 10 disposals, 1 clearance, 7 center bounce attendances with 57% (1st q) and 83% (2nd q) Time on Ground in the first half. Not particularly great numbers and I don't remember him having a massive effect.

That said, he's up against Matho directly who had a pretty similar effectiveness. Matho went with 6 disposals, 3 clearances, 12 cbas with 81% (1st q) and 66% (2nd q) ToG.

To be honest I didn't think either of them played that well haha. What's interesting is that pattern of one playing 80% while the other played 50-60% continued across the second half aswell.

FAGES preference still seems to be Lyons however as the cbas for Matho went down across the second half while Lyons went up. Both had 6 in the 3rd quarter but in the last Lyons had 6 cbas while Matho only had 1. In the last quarter Lyons had 1 clearance in 89% ToG while Matho had 3 clearance in 65% ToG.

The ToG numbers aren't the most useful without further analysing where they were actually on the ground for those quarters, but it at least paints a picture of how they are being utilized.
 
Nathan Barley said:
I guess more do we think the players on the weekend who executed at a high level for a half are more or less likely than bringing in reserve players to play at the same level for longer
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I am reasonably confident if Lohmann, Prior, Dev, Payne, Berry are given a decent crack at it from the beginning of 2023, they will be consistent contributors for many years. That aside, the issue right now as per your post, we probably have to (within reason) stick with some of the more senior players, so I don't expect too many changes Rich, Starc, maybe Prior for Robbo.
 
Sanchez365 said:
Lyons racked up 10 disposals, 1 clearance, 7 center bounce attendances with 57% (1st q) and 83% (2nd q) Time on Ground in the first half. Not particularly great numbers and I don't remember him having a massive effect.

That said, he's up against Matho directly who had a pretty similar effectiveness. Matho went with 6 disposals, 3 clearances, 12 cbas with 81% (1st q) and 66% (2nd q) ToG.

To be honest I didn't think either of them played that well haha. What's interesting is that pattern of one playing 80% while the other played 50-60% continued across the second half aswell.

FAGES preference still seems to be Lyons however as the cbas for Matho went down across the second half while Lyons went up. Both had 6 in the 3rd quarter but in the last Lyons had 6 cbas while Matho only had 1. In the last quarter Lyons had 1 clearance in 89% ToG while Matho had 3 clearance in 65% ToG.

The ToG numbers aren't the most useful without further analysing where they were actually on the ground for those quarters, but it at least paints a picture of how they are being utilized.
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I don't think there's all that much between them at this point. Lyons has had more than enough chances this year but replacing him mightn't improve us much . When we get beaten it's the same way and he's a culprit in the reasons.
 
martinson said:
I don't think there's all that much between them at this point. Lyons has had more than enough chances this year but replacing him mightn't improve us much . When we get beaten it's the same way and he's a culprit in the reasons.
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Yeah personally I would like to see Matho given the chance mainly to give us a different look as Lyons hasn't been working out so far this year. But I also concede Lyons has better disposal by foot in space then Matho.
 
Nathan Barley said:
Since when does the sub has to be a like for like change?

Richmond swapped a key back for a small forward and played better
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it does not
The Grimes out should of affected their back 6.
They actually played better :)

A few teams have runners as subs and when they need speed in the 4th someone goes off.
 
davemc_lions said:
it does not
The Grimes out should of affected their back 6.
They actually played better :)

A few teams have runners as subs and when they need speed in the 4th someone goes off.
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Pretty much released Rioli to play freely. He owned us when Grimes went off.

I wouldn’t say it’s the sub - it’s more the players they’ve already got. Their defense is very flexible.
 
harvester said:
I'm not looking forward to this game. Unfortunately we have a lot of downhill skiers, apart from Coleman, Neale, Starch, I'm pretty frustrated with the rest. Who wants to be premiers this year?????
Vossy will smell the blood in the water.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Carlton played even worse than us in the 2nd half, on the weekend
 
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