Player Watch Oleg Markov

[DERKADERRR]

How so?

Intrigued to hear how I’m misrepresenting Apex opinion of Adams kicking?

Because you took a one sentence which he didn't elaborate on and spun it into something which misrepresents his opinion. Adams has been playing with us since 2014, it's not like he needs to extrapolate the reasons why he thinks he's a poor field kick every time.

Adams' decision making rather than his technique being the reason as to why he's not a great field kick is something a lot of people have noticed over the years, myself included. It looks as though so far this year he's choosing the smarter option rather than these hail Mary passes like he used to, which has improved his field kicking.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Because you took a one sentence which he didn't elaborate on and spun it into something which misrepresents his opinion. Adams has been playing with us since 2014, it's not like he needs to extrapolate the reasons why he thinks he's a poor field kick every time.

Adams' decision making rather than his technique being the reason as to why he's not a great field kick is something a lot of people have noticed over the years, myself included. It looks as though so far this year he's choosing the smarter option rather than these hail Mary passes like he used to, which has improved his field kicking.

What sentence is that?
Please explain?

I’m not someone who wants to win on here.
So I legit don’t care.

Can I ask what the one sentence was?
How was this spun?
Where did he actually say what I was saying?


I’m betting you can’t answer any of the above!! But you reckon he’s a good guy and knows his football… right?!?

Where as I’m …ummm…???

 

[DERKADERRR]

Markov is still a depth player, in defence he's behind Bruz, Quaynor, Noble, Howe, Moore, Frampton and Murphy at least, Naicos of course but he's moved around a little bit so I left him out for fairness.

Rewatching the game and paying attention to him, he had an ok game, better than I remembered. He's filling a role right now but his form hasn't justified being above selection of all those I listed if they're available.

I actually wish we got Stocker instead of him, he was great against us and I think getting rid of him will be a decision Carlton regret.

 

[DERKADERRR]

What sentence is that?
Please explain?

I’m not someone who wants to win on here.
So I legit don’t care.

Can I ask what the one sentence was?
How was this spun?
Where did he actually say what I was saying?


I’m betting you can’t answer any of the above!! But you reckon he’s a good guy and knows his football… right?!?

Where as I’m …ummm…???

This one you quoted from Apex

"I do trust my own eyes, that’s why I said what I said. Adams is a garbage field kick."

The explanation as to why I think it was spun is in the post I just made.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

This one you quoted from Apex

"I do trust my own eyes, that’s why I said what I said. Adams is a garbage field kick."

The explanation as to why I think it was spun is in the post I just made.

Ok.
Wtf?!?
So here is the thing….

Since you and everyone aligned to apex is sure…. Why don’t you show me the comments where he says what I’ve said he hasn’t?
Show me where he says airs all about Adams decision making?!?

It’s really simple.
I mean, I found this via search…. I’m sure you can too?

 

[MooreDaicos]

McCrae was his coach for a large part of his time at Richmond..

I don't know much about Markov so I didn't know that or that Fly teaches correct kicking skills.
After watching him when he was young, there's nothing wrong with his kicking. The fact that he can play forward as well, says he can cover both ends if needed. Invaluable depth with a possibility as a future 22 player imo.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I mean, if you want to take one sentence that wasn’t elaborated on (he is a garbage field kick due to his decision making) that’s your prerogative I guess. There are plenty of instances in the past where I have explained my stance on his kicking. Heck, even in that post you cherry picked the “garbage” sentence from I was arguing that his kicking for goal was actually good. Not sure why you’re trying to pick a fight here when we seem to actually be on the same page regarding Adams..?

Lol. Say what you want.
I legit don’t care.
What I do care about is people telling lies as fact (isn’t that what you go on about?!?)

What I want to know is why you think that from FEB this year to April his kicking went from “garbage and a horrible field kick” to “never been about his kicking, all About his decision making”
?
Why is that?

or did you post this beforehand? Lol.

Depending on how you answer this…. Your status in this board will be affected….up to you if you want to go me….I couldn’t care less. But unless you provide evidence to the contrary…..well?!?!?

 

[Fat Jesus]

I don't know much about Markov so I didn't know that or that Fly teaches correct kicking skills.
After watching him when he was young, there's nothing wrong with his kicking. The fact that he can play forward as well, says he can cover both ends if needed. Invaluable depth with a possibility as a future 22 player imo.

McRae coached him to a VFL premiership with Richmond.

Yes Mcrae spends time with players teaching kicking. Spent months with Cox who is now a great kick.

 

[DERKADERRR]

Ok.
Wtf?!?
So here is the thing….

Since you and everyone aligned to apex is sure…. Why don’t you show me the comments where he says what I’ve said he hasn’t?
Show me where he says airs all about Adams decision making?!?

It’s really simple.
I mean, I found this via search…. I’m sure you can too?

I'm not sure what you mean by "aligned to Apex", I'd do this if it were you that was in the position that Apex is in now.

I'm not going to go through every single post that Apex has said in regards to Adams. He's been at the club for 10 years and the discussion on his field kicking started when he joined, so you can take that however you'd like, I really don't mind.

Also, you're not doing yourself any favours here to actually make me think you're even in this forum to have a proper discussion.

On my post about Markov I just made you just reacted with a crying of laughter emoji, rather than responding to my post with what you disagreed with, or for me to elaborate on anything. It's especially strange seeing as I didn't post with any vitriol toward Markov or any poster, admitted that I'd misjudged his game on first viewing and said that he's filling a role at the moment.

It's hard for me to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're actually here for good faith discussion when you do that.

 

[MooreDaicos]

McRae coached him to a VFL premiership with Richmond.

Yes Mcrae spends time with players teaching kicking. Spent months with Cox who is now a great kick.

We were so lucky to get Fly, the gods are smiling down on us. FlagPies 2023

 

[Fat Jesus]

I don't know much about Markov so I didn't know that or that Fly teaches correct kicking skills.
After watching him when he was young, there's nothing wrong with his kicking. The fact that he can play forward as well, says he can cover both ends if needed. Invaluable depth with a possibility as a future 22 player imo.

You said. Invaluable depth. Exactly.
McRae has this teaching method of straightening the hips when kicking the ball.
I've heard a couple of players say it has helped them.
We are so lucky to have Fly.
Leppa works just as hard at bettering our squad.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I'm not sure what you mean by "aligned to Apex", I'd do this if it were you that was in the position that Apex is in now.

I'm not going to go through every single post that Apex has said in regards to Adams. He's been at the club for 10 years and the discussion on his field kicking started when he joined, so you can take that however you'd like, I really don't mind.

Also, you're not doing yourself any favours here to actually make me think you're even in this forum to have a proper discussion.

On my post about Markov I just made you just reacted with a crying of laughter emoji, rather than responding to my post with what you disagreed with, or for me to elaborate on anything. It's especially strange seeing as I didn't post with any vitriol toward Markov or any poster, admitted that I'd misjudged his game on first viewing and said that he's filling a role at the moment.

It's hard for me to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're actually here for good faith discussion when you do that.

So it’s ok for you to go me in defence of apex without any semblance of fact?
Just because he is 10 years?!?

So I guess it’s about who I am and who I know right?!?

Yet then lambast me for laughing at your comment (again without semblance of fact?)

Curious…How is your behaviour different to mine?

I’m here for the club. But I won’t cop other posters being hammered for what they think. Me included.

 

[DERKADERRR]

So it’s ok for you to go me in defence of apex without any semblance of fact?
Just because he is 10 years?!?

So I guess it’s about who I am and who I know right?!?

Yet then lambast me for laughing at your comment (again without semblance of fact?)

Curious…How is your behaviour different to mine?

I’m here for the club. But I won’t cop other posters being hammered for what they think. Me included.

The screenshot attached is a response to the bolded (on mobile it appears at the bottom of the post FYI, I couldn't figure out how to just add it to the post). I didn't think I'd need photo evidence to prove this, I thought it would have been clear seeing as it was just a few posts up this page, and happened less than an hour ago.

So anything to say about my Markov post? What you disagreed with, asking me to elaborate more on my opinions?

As far as the Apex thing is concerned I'll link my first post on the topic, which explains why I think it was disingenuous.

Because you took a one sentence which he didn't elaborate on and spun it into something which misrepresents his opinion. Adams has been playing with us since 2014, it's not like he needs to extrapolate the reasons why he thinks he's a poor field kick every time.

Adams' decision making rather than his technique being the reason as to why he's not a great field kick is something a lot of people have noticed over the years, myself included. It looks as though so far this year he's choosing the smarter option rather than these hail Mary passes like he used to, which has improved his field kicking.

I hope that answers your question because it's the last I'll make on that point, I have nothing left to say.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

The screenshot attached is a response to the bolded (on mobile it appears at the bottom of the post FYI, I couldn't figure out how to just add it to the post). I didn't think I'd need photo evidence to prove this, I thought it would have been clear seeing as it was just a few posts up this page, and happened less than an hour ago.

So anything to say about my Markov post? What you disagreed with, asking me to elaborate more on my opinions?

As far as the Apex thing is concerned I'll link my first post on the topic, which explains why I think it was disingenuous.

I hope that answers your question because it's the last I'll make on that point, I have nothing left to say.

Ok.
Firstly. I’m sorry you are upset.
I actually have no idea why you are upset…. But I accept over done something to upset you and I apologise for that.

Want to say this…how did the laugh emoji go? Annoying right ?!?
How is that different to what you did to me by going me out the blue when the conversation had nothing to do with you?
Yet it’s ok to go me with someone that has nothing to do with you (and is wrong)….yet you ark up when I use a laugh emoji.

This place can be toxic if you don’t have a thick skin!!

 

[DERKADERRR]

Ok.
Firstly. I’m sorry you are upset.
I actually have no idea why you are upset…. But I accept over done something to upset you and I apologise for that.

Want to say this…how did the laugh emoji go? Annoying right ?!?
How is that different to what you did to me by going me out the blue when the conversation had nothing to do with you?
Yet it’s ok to go me with someone that has nothing to do with you (and is wrong)….yet you ark up when I use a laugh emoji.

This place can be toxic if you don’t have a thick skin!!

How about you try this again without being condescending, then I'll give you a proper response.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

How about you try this again without being condescending, then I'll give you a proper response.

Yup ok.

I legitimately don’t understand why you took umbrage?

I really would like to know why you felt the need to take sides….and I still don’t understand why you’re upset?!

 

[Fat Jesus]

Ok.
Firstly. I’m sorry you are upset.
I actually have no idea why you are upset…. But I accept over done something to upset you and I apologise for that.

Want to say this…how did the laugh emoji go? Annoying right ?!?
How is that different to what you did to me by going me out the blue when the conversation had nothing to do with you?
Yet it’s ok to go me with someone that has nothing to do with you (and is wrong)….yet you ark up when I use a laugh emoji.

This place can be toxic if you don’t have a thick skin!!

It is toxic often mate.

I cop it regularly for saying Markov, WHE or Murphy are good and should improve with McRae as coach.
Then I get belittled by some posters like I don't have a clue.
"No he's shit, he is a spud"
"Ryan is better" !

Ryan will get better, he is young and he's done SFA to be compared to Markov.
Oleg is no champion but is hard at it. Very athletic

It feels like you can never win trying to support our boys.
McRae would roll his eyes at some of the ludicrous opinions of his players.
Everyone on our list is trying their guts out.

Too many couch experts that know better than a couple of triple premiership player coaches.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

It is toxic often mate.

I cop it regularly for saying Markov, WHE or Murphy are good and should improve with McRae as coach.
Then I get belittled by some posters like I don't have a clue.
"No he's s**t, he is a spud"
"Ryan is better" !

Ryan will get better he is young and he's done SFA to be compared to Markov.
Oleg is no champion but is hard at it. Very athletic

It feels like you can never win trying to support our boys.
McRae would roll his eyes at some of the ludicrous opinions of his players.
Everyone on our list is trying their guts out.

To many couch experts that know better than a couple of triple premiership player coaches.

Oh don’t get me wrong….I’m the worst of all those posters!!!
I fully understand you’re points though.
I hope I don’t offend you for disagreeing on certain things.
But I’m happy to admit when I’m wrong!!! Well, mostly

 

[Fat Jesus]

Oh don’t get me wrong….I’m the worst of all those posters!!!
I fully understand you’re points though.
I hope I don’t offend you for disagreeing on certain things.
But I’m happy to admit when I’m wrong!!! Well, mostly

I don't mind if you discuss and disagree.
You get where I'm coming from

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I don't mind if you discuss and disagree.
You get where I'm coming from

Yup.
all we want is pies to be better.
No one thinks the same…

I wonder this:

Given how we’ve gone about it in the last 18 months…..would either lepitch or Bolton would be considered again?
Think clubs would be crazy not to.

 

[DERKADERRR]

Yup ok.

I legitimately don’t understand why you took umbrage?

I really would like to know why you felt the need to take sides….and I still don’t understand why you’re upset?!

Thank you for the response.

I'll start off with answering your second question as I think it leads into my response to the first one.

I made that response, not so much to take sides (although I admit I side with Apex on this specific instance), but to point out why it seems disingenuous in a way which wasn't attacking you but explaining without emotion why it was perceived that way by myself or others. I never attacked or belittled you in any way.

The point I was trying to make was that your response to my Markov post (the emoji) was quite strange and confusing seeing as I didn't exactly think it was warranted. I wrote a decent rationale as to why I thought Markov was depth, gave an appraisal of his performance, as well as criticised my own initial response on first viewing. It would have been at least good to get a response rather than just what appeared to be a condescending laugh emoji.

Bringing up my Markov post was a way of questioning why you did it in the first place, whether or not you had an issue with what I posted and if you could elaborate, or because I had taken issue with the previous post in regards to Apex.

I hope this post answers your questions.

 

[DERKADERRR]

It is toxic often mate.

I cop it regularly for saying Markov, WHE or Murphy are good and should improve with McRae as coach.
Then I get belittled by some posters like I don't have a clue.
"No he's s**t, he is a spud"
"Ryan is better" !

Ryan will get better, he is young and he's done SFA to be compared to Markov.
Oleg is no champion but is hard at it. Very athletic

It feels like you can never win trying to support our boys.
McRae would roll his eyes at some of the ludicrous opinions of his players.
Everyone on our list is trying their guts out.

Too many couch experts that know better than a couple of triple premiership player coaches.

I disagree with you on Markov FJ, (although my opinion on him may change in the future) but I want to be clear I enjoy your posts in general, and I like what you bring to this forum

 

[Fat Jesus]

Yup.
all we want is pies to be better.
No one thinks the same…

I wonder this:

Given how we’ve gone about it in the last 18 months…..would either lepitch or Bolton would be considered again?
Think clubs would be crazy not to.
Surely after

I hope not mate. I feel Fly and Leppa are on a mission together. Best mates and all.
Some of these assistants don't want the pressure of being in charge. Doubting Bolton will be offered a full time position again.
Fly doesn't seem fazed being in charge , cool as a cucumber.
Crazy that guys like Adam Yze haven't scored a gig.
Caracella another.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I disagree with you on Markov FJ, (although my opinion on him may change in the future) but I want to be clear I enjoy your posts in general, and I like what you bring to this forum

Cheers brother. I may well be wrong on him. Just support him for now. More hope although I'm a little confident in his abilities

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Thank you for the response.

I'll start off with answering your second question as I think it leads into my response to the first one.

I made that response, not so much to take sides (although I admit I side with Apex on this specific instance), but to point out why it seems disingenuous in a way which wasn't attacking you but explaining without emotion why it was perceived that way by myself or others. I never attacked or belittled you in any way.

The point I was trying to make was that your response to my Markov post (the emoji) was quite strange and confusing seeing as I didn't exactly think it was warranted. I wrote a decent rationale as to why I thought Markov was depth, gave an appraisal of his performance, as well as criticised my own initial response on first viewing. It would have been at least good to get a response rather than just what appeared to be a condescending laugh emoji.

Bringing up my Markov post was a way of questioning why you did it in the first place, whether or not you had an issue with what I posted and if you could elaborate, or because I had taken issue with the previous post in regards to Apex.

I hope this post answers your questions.

Ok ta,

Firstly, I have absolutely no idea why you think my quoting was disingenuous?!?!?
Really confused by that mats!!
To me, you’re basically saying “ what you quoted was wrong because…. There is more not quoted’….yet you can’t produce anything ?!?!!?!
So all I can say is wtf?


As for your post…has nothing to do with markov. He’s solid depth and doing his job.
My comments were about Stocker. Which isn’t someone we need or want (before r we lose our entire defence!!)