Player Watch Oleg Markov

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Kes1984 said:
That's the thing! No one is deserving of being dropped or being the sub.

I'd prefer to see the older players getting the sub role I think - like we did with Mitchell, who on his gameday vlog, remarks that he's not as sore next day with the managed minutes. I'm just such an Oleg fan, love seeing this man excelling with the Pies.
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Oleg has been excellent.
Fact is though, his spot is on the line with The Hyphen closing in on a return.
 
sr36 said:
I don't see that. I don't see either Lippa or Markov as starters who hold a role as our best choice for any position. To me they're both rotation players.
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My post was less about comparing two role players (although I think the coaching staff view Lipinski higher than that) and more about how we use our like Crisp.

I’d much prefer a role player at HFF than the HBF and I thought you’d agree given your advocacy to use certain players there.

I think we’re better off with Crisp at half back getting 25 possessions and Lipinski at half forward getting 18 than Markov getting 15 at half back and Crisp getting 20 at half forward.
 

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Bianconeri said:
My post was less about comparing two role players (although I think the coaching staff view Lipinski higher than that) and more about how we use our like Crisp.

I’d much prefer a role player at HFF than the HBF and I thought you’d agree given your advocacy to use certain players there.

I think we’re better off with Crisp at half back getting 25 possessions and Lipinski at half forward getting 18 than Markov getting 15 at half back and Crisp getting 20 at half forward.
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I wouldn't play Crisp at hhf. With Adams, Pendles, Mitchell, JDG, Crisp and Nick, I think we've got the midfield and the two quasi mid roles from either end nearly covered - hence us going without one of them last week and when JDG was suspended - they just need a bit of help with rotation, which can come from either end and thus from either Markov or Lippa. My bias is pace, so it'd be Oleg for me
 
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sr36 said:
I wouldn't play Crisp at hhf. With Adams, Pendles, Mitchell, JDG, Crisp and Nick, I think we've got the midfield and the two quasi mid roles nearly covered - hence us going without one of them last week - they just need a bit of help with rotation, which can come from either end and thus from either Markov or Lippa.
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If we drop Lippa for Markov our mids will have to spend more time at half forward. My guess is the coaching staff would pick Crisp to pick up the bulk of that plus cover the wing rotation Lipinski provides in that hypothetical scenario. You might do things differently and I’m interested
to know about the set up you want but I think in most scenarios we get more out of the midfield group when one plays at half back in place of Markov rather than at HF in place of Lipinski.
 
Bianconeri said:
If we drop Lippa for Markov our mids will have to spend more time at half forward. My guess is the coaching staff would pick Crisp to pick up the bulk of that plus cover the wing rotation Lipinski provides in that hypothetical scenario. You might do things differently and I’m interested
to know about the set up you want but I think in most scenarios we get more out of the midfield group when one plays at half back in place of Markov rather than at HF in place of Lipinski.
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In the first 18, I'd have Mitchell, JDG and Nick in the centre square - Crisp hhb, Adams hhf. Pendles on the bench and coming on to chop out Mitchell in the centre and Adams at hhf. Adams and Crisp chopping out JDG and Nick. So it'd be Markov to chop out in defence and wing.

It's all really marginal either way though. As are all of these which of the last guy you would pick conversations. But part of is that I'd prefer Pendles in that hhf role to hhb.
 
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Is there any chance that we can gather a register of people on this board that criticised Markov either as an acquisition or as a person prior to the season and bring them in here to ask what they think now?

There's at least three people I can think of that have been MIA in this thread but ubiquitous in others that were unnecessarily critical of him a few months back. Would love to know what they think now, and what they think of him becoming not just a cult hero, but an entrenched part of our 23.

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Pragmatic Shill said:
Is there any chance that we can gather a register of people on this board that criticised Markov either as an acquisition or as a person prior to the season and bring them in here to ask what they think now?

There's at least three people I can think of that have been MIA in this thread but ubiquitous in others that were unnecessarily critical of him a few months back. Would love to know what they think now, and what they think of him becoming not just a cult hero, but an entrenched part of our 23.

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People get stuff wrong all the time, no big deal.

Whilst Markov has done very well, he’s not guaranteed his spot. We have a much improved injury list and more players available than spots.

One of Markov, Lipinski or WHE are going to miss. Who will it be!

Markov has great pace.
Lipinski kicks well into forward 50
WHE can play a variety of roles.
 

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Bianconeri said:
If we drop Lippa for Markov our mids will have to spend more time at half forward. My guess is the coaching staff would pick Crisp to pick up the bulk of that plus cover the wing rotation Lipinski provides in that hypothetical scenario. You might do things differently and I’m interested
to know about the set up you want but I think in most scenarios we get more out of the midfield group when one plays at half back in place of Markov rather than at HF in place of Lipinski.
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It looks pretty clear to me that Crisp is going back to HBF, he's taken Markov's role. Watching Lipinski crawl his way around the ground compared to Markov's line breaking run and carry will be too much to ignore. What does Lipinski offer forward of the ball that Markov can't do? I'd much prefer pace in a position than someone that is really slow
 
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manicpie said:
It looks pretty clear to me that Crisp is going back to HBF, he's taken Markov's role. Watching Lipinski crawl his way around the ground compared to Markov's line breaking run and carry will be too much to ignore. What does Lipinski offer forward of the ball that Markov can't do? I'd much prefer pace in a position than someone that is really slow
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Lippa can play mid and is used as the train at stoppages.
He has silky disposal, especially by foot and creates good inside 50s.

I like Markov in the team off half back and really admire his rapid and substantial improvement. He now contributes very well to our overlap running.

But I don’t think these guys are interchangeable. Neither can play the others role as well.

But I’d suggest Crisp can play either role and is better as a centre square mid.

Markov has elite speed and sometimes iffy disposal, especially by foot.
Lippa is the opposite; a beautiful kick who could use more pace. But Lippa can also pinch hit at a clearance, either extracting or receiving. He has a couple more tricks.

I hope they each hold their place. They have terrific stories.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Is there any chance that we can gather a register of people on this board that criticised Markov either as an acquisition or as a person prior to the season and bring them in here to ask what they think now?

There's at least three people I can think of that have been MIA in this thread but ubiquitous in others that were unnecessarily critical of him a few months back. Would love to know what they think now, and what they think of him becoming not just a cult hero, but an entrenched part of our 23.

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I think we should keep a register of people who incessantly feel the need to retrospectively gloat about how right their opinions are on an internet football forum.
 
sr36 said:
Lipinski for me, as I think we're overloaded with mids/hhf. I think Mitchell also needs to get back to his early season contested work form, for the same reason.
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We’re also overloaded with defenders with Noble named on a wing, Pendles named at HB and Crisp on the bench equally adept in defence.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Is there any chance that we can gather a register of people on this board that criticised Markov either as an acquisition or as a person prior to the season and bring them in here to ask what they think now?

There's at least three people I can think of that have been MIA in this thread but ubiquitous in others that were unnecessarily critical of him a few months back. Would love to know what they think now, and what they think of him becoming not just a cult hero, but an entrenched part of our 23.

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You can add me to your register if you like. Didn’t have an issue with his acquisition. Dean went onto the LTI list and he was the obvious choice given he battled with Steene for the last list spot all preseason.

Certainly had an issue with his early season disposal by foot. The issue isn’t that I was critical, it’s more that others weren’t. Went at 0%, 32% & 49% kicking efficiency his first 3 games. Those figures flattered by long kicks to essentially draws. That’s just deplorable by any standard. Especially when you consider the crap Taylor Adams cops in this forum. I can’t recall his kicking ever being that bad.

I also don’t think he’s entrenched. He’s currently been the 7th ranked defender imho so by definition that makes him fringe.
 
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How can you not love this guy? He’s just having so much fun out there. Crazy that we had to let him go - for a day - to Carlton of all clubs, only to literally snatch him back again. Terrible that Dean has missed the season, but Oleg has certainly compensated.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Is there any chance that we can gather a register of people on this board that criticised Markov either as an acquisition or as a person prior to the season and bring them in here to ask what they think now?

There's at least three people I can think of that have been MIA in this thread but ubiquitous in others that were unnecessarily critical of him a few months back. Would love to know what they think now, and what they think of him becoming not just a cult hero, but an entrenched part of our 23.

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Yes yes... They must be punished for expressing opinions about a player on a footy forum. It's outrageous!
 
jmac70 said:
People get stuff wrong all the time, no big deal.

Whilst Markov has done very well, he’s not guaranteed his spot. We have a much improved injury list and more players available than spots.

One of Markov, Lipinski or WHE are going to miss. Who will it be!

Markov has great pace.
Lipinski kicks well into forward 50
WHE can play a variety of roles.
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Good problems to have.
Horses for courses stuff for Fly

from my Delorean
 
Vicky Park said:
How can you not love this guy? He’s just having so much fun out there. Crazy that we had to let him go - for a day - to Carlton of all clubs, only to literally snatch him back again. Terrible that Dean has missed the season, but Oleg has certainly compensated.
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I'll be honest, I was not a huge fan of him at Richmond or GC, so was not expecting much. I've really come around to Leggy though, he's provides real energy out there and you can see how much the boys love him.

I loved his response to the question in the post game, something around the lines of "What does it feel like to be playing finals for the black & white"
He said he hasn't cemented a spot at all, is going to continue to work hard and earn his spot.
 

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