simba_
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any chance for the SANFL to be pushing Scott's coming back on board (for the deal in place if ONE goes through)?
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Sorry, I thought you meant the 1/9th of the money, from the Crows, that the SANFL would distribute to the SANFL clubs annually. Ie, the Crows pay their bills to the SANFL, some of which indirectly ends up in PAFCs coffers (as the magpies and power would be now one club). They would hate that.
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Oh I'm not basing my thoughts on the meeting as such, because there was a good vibe, and a quiet confidence. And those sorts of meetings are always like that really, everyone wanting to work together etc. Just have a gut feeling that while it will probably get up, and God knows the AFL will do whatever it can for it to get up, it just won't work once it does get up.
Sounds to me like you have been listening too much to your Crow supporting mates/media!
I am yet to speak to a PORT fan who isnt for the idea.
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I'm not saying I'm not for the idea, or that it isn't the right thing for the club.
Just have a gut feeling it won't work when it does get up.
For example - there are still Port people from 1997 who are shitty that they didn't get jobs / roles within the PAFC in the AFL. If people can put aside the ego, it will stand more a chance.
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And I never listen to the media, nor do I have any Crow supporting mates of any note. 
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Fair enough but you'll have to come up with better than people carrying baggage from '97 as a reason why it won't work to convince me. I really can't see that being something that could drag the club down to the point the ONE Port won't work.
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Does this mean PAMFC won't exist anymore?
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Isn't that the whole idea behind ONE PAFC?
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It actually sounded to me like it would be the PAFC in the AFL and the PAMFC in the SANFL..
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That sounds to me like two clubs. If that is the aim then I will withdraw my support for the ONE PAFC push.
That is not, however, how I read this;
One Club: Questions Answered
Link
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Yeah I'm pretty sure both clubs will fall under the PAFC banner. They will just be teams run by the same club in different leagues.
oh but it will
the magpies will become the PAFC so 100% of your money will go to the PAFC whom the Magpies will be part of
if your a current PAMFC member and supporter then next year you will be supporting a PAFC team in the SANFL
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Good, people like you have played a massive part in out identity issues.
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The club asked us to keep a couple of things to ourselves so I wont mention them here. Here are the points I got down - some already stated above- and my interpretation of what was said.
* There is corporate support which club can't divulge, sounds like someone other than Pickard who is prepared to put an immediate cash injection into the Prince of Wales Hotel as well as cash injection over time. John Firth said that the POW needs a $1.5mil to $2mil upgrade to take it to that next level. A benefactor has agreed to pay out the loan and lend the money to the club at a couple of % less than bank is charging, and its an interest only loan for a few years. That means cash to pay off $240k principal per year doesn't have to be found like it has been for the last few years. The banks haven't been prepared to give the Magpies an interest only loan.
* Several individuals have signed contracts that they will put up $x into the club if the One PAFC gets up. They are contractually committed.
* Prison bar's are non negotiable for SANFL team
*This deal is worth $2mil a year
* Gaming machines and POW are the key - that's my opinion. Wouldn't be happening without those two. Apparently we are close to announcing a new venue for the 40 machines at the Port Club. All subject to One PAFC getting up.
*Debt Demolition program will be launched or a version of the Melbourne one. Matthew Richardson has spent time at Melbourne FC getting updated how they did it.
*Employees of both clubs will remain. No-one getting sacked.
* A decent museum is on the 2 or 3 year agenda now that we don't have to separate the power and magpie memorabilia as part of the Alberton community precinct Master Plan is completed.
*Membership will be separate in 2011 but joint in 2012. George and Tim and One PAFC are working on a bridging joint membership in 2011.
* SANFL clubs asked for extension of time on assessing proposal - attitude what's 10 days given we have waited 14 years. This delay has effected joint membership packages.
* Comment made after first question that Andy D has educating the SANFL about this needing to get up. Implications for the licence.
* Duncanson was genuine when he said there has been past problems with SANFL but this wouldn't be happening if Darren Chandler and Leigh Whicker hadn't driven this thru the SANFL.
* Need a formal vote of members of PAMFC to pass changes - so if the SANFL gives approval on 15th the PAMFC will have a vote on the 16th to approve the changes.
* John Firth on Governance said new PAMFC constitution will be available today on websites of both clubs and something will be advertised in today's paper.
*Basically PAFC will be like a holding company. 2 separate clubs, but like a holding and subsidiary ie one parent entity but 2 legal entities within the group.
*Still half board members elected and half appointed by SANFL. PAMFC members will be allowed to vote for PAFC board members.
*PAMFC board will be appointed by PAFC
* From SANFL point of view PAMFC is part of an AFL club. That's why we don't get a vote at SANFL directors meeting but get a representative and CEO goes to CEO's meeting.
** Re the 1/9th share and Footy Park. The only time the SANFL clubs are legally entitled to 1/9th share is on winding up. Whilst it is a going concern any assets distribution are made by SAFC.
*** I asked a question but didn't get a real answer, maybe because I didn't ask it right. I basically said if the move to AO goes ahead part of Footy Park and then maybe eventually all will be liquidated. Asked if the SANFL will detail who gets what proceeds and lock this in and follow the AFL model of selling Waverley where clubs got some of $$ and rest used to invest in the comp or development or buy assets. Duncanson said the SANFL will reveal any plans once AO move happens. Sounds like the SAFC will make the call and whilst the 8 clubs + Community Director can kick out the commissioners they can't change the distributions of funds unless they kick off all commissioners and reverse the decision.
I suspect 8 SANFL clubs + Port + crows will all get something and the majority invested in a future fund type set up.
* There is corporate support which club can't divulge, sounds like someone other than Pickard who is prepared to put an immediate cash injection into the Prince of Wales Hotel as well as cash injection over time. John Firth said that the POW needs a $1.5mil to $2mil upgrade to take it to that next level. A benefactor has agreed to pay out the loan and lend the money to the club at a couple of % less than bank is charging, and its an interest only loan for a few years. That means cash to pay off $240k principal per year doesn't have to be found like it has been for the last few years. The banks haven't been prepared to give the Magpies an interest only loan.
* Several individuals have signed contracts that they will put up $x into the club if the One PAFC gets up. They are contractually committed.
* Prison bar's are non negotiable for SANFL team
*This deal is worth $2mil a year
* Gaming machines and POW are the key - that's my opinion. Wouldn't be happening without those two. Apparently we are close to announcing a new venue for the 40 machines at the Port Club. All subject to One PAFC getting up.
*Debt Demolition program will be launched or a version of the Melbourne one. Matthew Richardson has spent time at Melbourne FC getting updated how they did it.
*Employees of both clubs will remain. No-one getting sacked.
* A decent museum is on the 2 or 3 year agenda now that we don't have to separate the power and magpie memorabilia as part of the Alberton community precinct Master Plan is completed.
*Membership will be separate in 2011 but joint in 2012. George and Tim and One PAFC are working on a bridging joint membership in 2011.
* SANFL clubs asked for extension of time on assessing proposal - attitude what's 10 days given we have waited 14 years. This delay has effected joint membership packages.
* Comment made after first question that Andy D has educating the SANFL about this needing to get up. Implications for the licence.
* Duncanson was genuine when he said there has been past problems with SANFL but this wouldn't be happening if Darren Chandler and Leigh Whicker hadn't driven this thru the SANFL.
* Need a formal vote of members of PAMFC to pass changes - so if the SANFL gives approval on 15th the PAMFC will have a vote on the 16th to approve the changes.
* John Firth on Governance said new PAMFC constitution will be available today on websites of both clubs and something will be advertised in today's paper.
*Basically PAFC will be like a holding company. 2 separate clubs, but like a holding and subsidiary ie one parent entity but 2 legal entities within the group.
*Still half board members elected and half appointed by SANFL. PAMFC members will be allowed to vote for PAFC board members.
*PAMFC board will be appointed by PAFC
* From SANFL point of view PAMFC is part of an AFL club. That's why we don't get a vote at SANFL directors meeting but get a representative and CEO goes to CEO's meeting.
** Re the 1/9th share and Footy Park. The only time the SANFL clubs are legally entitled to 1/9th share is on winding up. Whilst it is a going concern any assets distribution are made by SAFC.
*** I asked a question but didn't get a real answer, maybe because I didn't ask it right. I basically said if the move to AO goes ahead part of Footy Park and then maybe eventually all will be liquidated. Asked if the SANFL will detail who gets what proceeds and lock this in and follow the AFL model of selling Waverley where clubs got some of $$ and rest used to invest in the comp or development or buy assets. Duncanson said the SANFL will reveal any plans once AO move happens. Sounds like the SAFC will make the call and whilst the 8 clubs + Community Director can kick out the commissioners they can't change the distributions of funds unless they kick off all commissioners and reverse the decision.
I suspect 8 SANFL clubs + Port + crows will all get something and the majority invested in a future fund type set up.
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Can you elaborate on this REH or was this one of the "things" the club asked you to stay"mum" on?
RussellEbertHandball
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It was more driven by the first question from the audience. Educating the SANFL was a comment by someone form the club. The licence was more a comment from the audience. It wasn't agreed to or dimissed by the panel of speakers.
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So still two separate clubs with the PAMFC being a subsidiary of the PAFC. Not what I would ideally like to see but a step in the right direction.
If what you say is true then this statement;
from the One Club: Questions Answered page on the PAFC website is misleading.
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As so often these things are in the eye of the beholder. Another way to look at it would be the Port Adelaide Football Club running four divisions i.e. the Power, the Magpies, the Port Club, and the Prince of Wales.
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At 6:15 there was already a 40 min wait.
I had to get some hot chips from the nearby shop on Port Rd.
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Sad to see our club has to rely upon pokies to survive
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So glad I live in a state where pokies are not allowed (outside of the casino)
Oh well, "a fool and their money are soon parted"; so I guess it is better it goes to the club than to someone else
Dreadful things
So glad I live in a state where pokies are not allowed (outside of the casino)
Oh well, "a fool and their money are soon parted"; so I guess it is better it goes to the club than to someone else
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At 6:15 there was already a 40 min wait.
I had to get some hot chips from the nearby shop on Port Rd.
We got there about 6:30, were nice to the girl on the register and she got a couple of schnitzels out to us in time to eat and make the start of the meeting.
We will never be one club unless we both wear the same jumper, nickname, logo ect.
What this proposal is about is one board and we basicly running the PAMFC
Personally don't care either way if it get up or not, as long as the identity issues are gone
What this proposal is about is one board and we basicly running the PAMFC
Personally don't care either way if it get up or not, as long as the identity issues are gone
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Am I the only one who thinks that the identity issue is less important than its being made out to be?
I've that there are like 2-5000 supporters that refuse to support the PAFC, but how many of these people would actually change their opinions even if it was made clear to them by the PAMFC that the PAFC was the real PAFC (after we turn the PAMFC into our reserves side that is).
As far as i can tell, not many of them would switch over, and while I think its important to solve the identity issues, I hardly see us getting many new supporters directly becuase of it. I guess maybe people's children would not believe their parents but yea.. was just thinking about it so mm.
I've that there are like 2-5000 supporters that refuse to support the PAFC, but how many of these people would actually change their opinions even if it was made clear to them by the PAMFC that the PAFC was the real PAFC (after we turn the PAMFC into our reserves side that is).
As far as i can tell, not many of them would switch over, and while I think its important to solve the identity issues, I hardly see us getting many new supporters directly becuase of it. I guess maybe people's children would not believe their parents but yea.. was just thinking about it so mm.
