ONE PAFC Meeting

[silverfingers]

Am I the only one who thinks that the identity issue is less important than its being made out to be?

I've that there are like 2-5000 supporters that refuse to support the PAFC, but how many of these people would actually change their opinions even if it was made clear to them by the PAMFC that the PAFC was the real PAFC (after we turn the PAMFC into our reserves side that is).

As far as i can tell, not many of them would switch over, and while I think its important to solve the identity issues, I hardly see us getting many new supporters directly becuase of it. I guess maybe people's children would not believe their parents but yea.. was just thinking about it so mm.

Exactly my point.
The morons (not all of them are but certainly a few) who sit in the Port Magpies Cheer Squad wearing St Kilda and Collingwood colours are not going to change their way of thinking, regardless of what gets decided with One Club.

 

[Powerstufff]

...The morons.....

Really? Necessary?

....who sit in the Port Magpies Cheer Squad wearing St Kilda and Collingwood colours.....

You've seen that? Because I haven't.

 

[simba_]

This guy called up 5AA the other day saying he was a "die hard Port Adelaide Magpies" supporter that supports "the other Magpies" Collingwood and "wouldn't give a stuff if the Power didn't exist anymore". The best part was Cornes and Rowe, aghast; they couldn't understand it! They're both the same Port! The same two clowns that wrote us off year after year are now taking the One Port Adelaide side and licking our balls. As silverfingers said you can't change this kind of thinking, this is the very unfortunate result of the last couple of decades, Port people this confused. Everybody else has just been putting us down, forget about that.. that isn't identity issues it is jealousy everybody knows that, you'll just never hear it admitted on a large scale because there simply aren't enough Port supporters. the only way to shut them up is to make them shut up and we have to do that.

We will never be one club unless we both wear the same jumper, nickname, logo ect.

What this proposal is about is one board and we basicly running the PAMFC

Personally don't care either way if it get up or not, as long as the identity issues are gone

this is good though, baby steps. we can't realistically expect reunification, then 20+ years of absolute shit clearing out and becoming a superforce overnight. the worst thing to do would be to turn on the club because "we're only running the PAMFC so far".. this is the best thing to happen in a long time and peoples hatred for the SANFL overrides what should be joy into just more pessimism.

with rich complicated bastardised history like ours, and two of the best jumpers ever in the game (and logos), why would we change them just because the "right" model is to be the same..? at elite level the players wear the state jumper in the PAFC colors and state level down to the little tackers they wear the prison bars that will always be the most successful jumper in SA footy history....

 

[TORRES_9]

Really? Necessary?
You've seen that? Because I haven't.

Yep, these guys are absolute wan**rs who take every opportunity to abuse a power listed player running around in the SANFL.

Their abuse of Peter Burgoyne who was playing for the magpies against Glenelg at the Bay oval last year was absolutely disgusting.

Most of them are Collingwood supporters with a couple St Kilda supporters and a Carlton supporter.

Hopefully these guys stop attending the SANFL and start supporting Weribee or the Northern Bullants.

 

[Macca19]

You've seen that? Because I haven't.

I have, numerous times.

 

[Check-Raise !]

I'm honestly over it.

I just want to support my team/s and whether they wear teal, black and white in the AFL or just black and white in the SANFL and are called the magpies or the power or whatever, i dont' give a $hit.

Does this make me less of a supporter, I don't know.... my Grandfather played limited games for the Maggies and I grew up loving them and now i'm with the teal, black and white mob and still stay interested in the ol black and white but FFS lets get on with it.

Just make a call and lets move on and finalise it once and for all..... make our club or clubs viable and successful once again.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The thing is these dyed in the wool Magpies/collingwood or Magpies/Saints fans are not the ones we are trying to convert anyway.

What we are trying to create is a strong unified club woth no identity issues that will make it easier to attract the casual Port fans and the undecideds back into the fold.

Ask any marketer and they will tell you that the first thing a brand needs to be attractive is a strong identity.

 

[spookism]

Sad to see our club has to rely upon pokies to survive

Dreadful things

So glad I live in a state where pokies are not allowed (outside of the casino)



Oh well, "a fool and their money are soon parted"; so I guess it is better it goes to the club than to someone else

Agreed, was the best thing about going to a pub in Perth - I didn't have to dodge illegally parked cars with kids and dogs locked in there and hearing that incessant ding-ding-ding et. al.

And yes, it has become really sad that every place East of the Nullarbor insists that they need them to survive, there are plenty of Pubs and Footy Clubs doing just fine in Perth without this scourge.

 

[Natman]

The thing is these dyed in the wool Magpies/collingwood or Magpies/Saints fans are not the ones we are trying to convert anyway.

What we are trying to create is a strong unified club woth no identity issues that will make it easier to attract the casual Port fans and the undecideds back into the fold.

Ask any marketer and they will tell you that the first thing a brand needs to be attractive is a strong identity.

Is there really any point in wasting too much energy on maybe 50-100 die-hard, never to convert people.

There would be some chance on converting the 1500-2000 others.

 

[Powerade 08]

Ask any marketer and they will tell you that the first thing a brand needs to be attractive is a strong identity.

This is why it is important that we do something to clear the confusion up. It will help us long term.

 

[FishingRick04]

Really? Necessary?
You've seen that? Because I haven't.

This sounds like a guys tax I did this season.

Supported Magpies and St Kilda and thought PAFC was evil and is the the PAFC fault the Magpies are in the position they are.

I tried to explain the sequence of events, he looked at me blankly

 

[silverfingers]

Yep, these guys are absolute wan**rs who take every opportunity to abuse a power listed player running around in the SANFL.

Their abuse of Peter Burgoyne who was playing for the magpies against Glenelg at the Bay oval last year was absolutely disgusting.


Yep - was at the Bay that day, and was disgusted at the treatment of Peter, a PAFC legend and premiership player. Then Matthew Richardson walks past, (who had recently announced his appointment at PAFC) and had a full carton of ice coffee thrown at him for his trouble - in front of his wife and family.

Let's not forget half of the Port Magpies CS sitting in the PAFC cheer squad, in full Saints gear, at the 2004 preliminary final..

 

[Lynwood]

Actually there where 4 people in saints gear and they were the only tickets they could get. It was a row behind anyway. as for the cartoon of iced coffie the person got a ban from the CS, Club and League.

The abuse of Peter well a few had a go at the effort he put in, Power suporters included, but a few went to far and were asked to stop or leave by non power fans. The fanny thing is it always comes back to the saints supporters yet it is people who support other AFL clubs who done the things you are talking about.

While were at it lets talk about the power supporters who abused a young girl in the CS who was a crows supporter because her team lost a final at Richmond oval.

 

[Lynwood]

Good, people like you have played a massive part in out identity issues.

I do not really care about the identity issue I see both having a clam to the History. But as I see it one has to market themselves on a state and national level in the AFL and the other on a local level in the SANFL.

This is where I have an issue with membership money as I only want to see my money going to an SANFL that ONLY supports the local community. I have no issue with sponsorship and other things being shared by the clubs but I want to be able to by membership and donate money to the Magpies.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

I'm genuinely curious as to why and when you started supporting St Kilda.

 

[The Jaguar]

I do not really care about the identity issue I see both having a clam to the History. But as I see it one has to market themselves on a state and national level in the AFL and the other on a local level in the SANFL.

This is where I have an issue with membership money as I only want to see my money going to an SANFL that ONLY supports the local community. I have no issue with sponsorship and other things being shared by the clubs but I want to be able to by membership and donate money to the Magpies.

They will be the same club so any money you give will be used for the operation of both teams. So if you continue to support the Magpies you will also be supporting the Teal Boogieman.

 

[Lynwood]

I'm genuinely curious as to why and when you started supporting St Kilda.

Fair question

I have been all my life which was becasue my parents supported them, My dad since the 60's.

I did try to support the Power but after receiving alot of crap from a group of Power fans who were known to the club about not only supporting the saints as I could not give them up and also supporting the Magpies and having numorus complaints about these people to the club ignored I simply handed back my membership.

I have no real hatred for the Power in fact I want to see the clubs be able to work together but I want to see the members seperate with packages for both. the idea of the Magpies not ever being able to spend what they want on their football department is a major concern. We now onle get an average on what other clubs spend so we will always have at least 4 above us.

Another concern is There have been alot of people I have known who have started coming to Magpies games since 97 and alot have said they will leave the club and once this happens I can see little hope for the Magpies staying aflot.

 

[Lynwood]

They will be the same club so any money you give will be used for the operation of both teams. So if you continue to support the Magpies you will also be supporting the Teal Boogieman.

That is an issue for me and I am sure fans of other SANFL clubs will have an issue with some of their money going to the Power. I say combine Pokie money and sponsors as well as admin but allow membership to go directly to the magpies or Power or both if you choose that option.

 

[Malibu#27]

the idea of the Magpies not ever being able to spend what they want on their football department is a major concern. We now onle get an average on what other clubs spend so we will always have at least 4 above us.

Spending the average of other SANFL clubs would move the magpies up 4 - 5 positions in the spending stakes as they would currently be spending less than every other club.

As for spending the average putting them behind other clubs, there are always ways around that - just like how centrals 'apparently' fall within the salary cap.

 

[Lynwood]

I know it will move us up but that 1.3 mil is all we have to work with so nothing can move us around that. the Salary cap is not an issue as we will be ablt to spend 100% but being able to put extra into the Juniors is the issue.

I would be all for this if all fundraising and membership from games went back tot he club that is my only concern.

 

[The Jaguar]

That is an issue for me and I am sure fans of other SANFL clubs will have an issue with some of their money going to the Power. I say combine Pokie money and sponsors as well as admin but allow membership to go directly to the magpies or Power or both if you choose that option.

You're still thinking about them as two different clubs. If the proposal goes through there will only be One PAFC and that is where all membership revenue will go. The club will use what it is allowed to run a team in the SANFL which of course will be Magpies, but the rest will be used in the AFL department.

The whole idea is to have a united and sustainable club. At the moment we don't have that because we're doubled-up on costs and both teams struggle with their claims of being the real Port Adelaide. This move solves many of these issues and paves the way for the club to be One on the field aswell as it should've been from the get go.

If that means we risk losing supporters like yourself then its a small price to pay in order to realise the bigger picture, because you are in the minority by some margin.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I know it will move us up but that 1.3 mil is all we have to work with so nothing can move us around that. the Salary cap is not an issue as we will be ablt to spend 100% but being able to put extra into the Juniors is the issue.

I would be all for this if all fundraising and membership from games went back tot he club that is my only concern.

So basically you want it to be an entirely on way street of money from the Power to the Magpies with nothing in return, not even your support? Sounds like a great deal. Where do I sign?

What you need to realise is that this is the best option for the Maggies to keep them alive and reinstate their ownership of their proud SANFL tradition.

I am a long time Maggies member and cannot understand why any Maggies fan would not support it no matter what AFL team they support.

 

[powermacs]

If you think crowed numbers will drop I think you're wrong. I haven't been to a maggies game for a few years just for the fact I can't stand people who go for the pies and not the power. Justify it all you want, it's weird. I know I'm not alone with this way of thinking, I have a lot of family who feel the same way.

 

[Lynwood]

No way I want the Cap lowered so that we have to raise the rest by membership and fundraising.

As for Magpie Supporters not supporting the power being wierd imagine what it will be like if both are the same you will have to put up with power supporters who support other sanfl clubs, supporters of both and just Magpie fans all trying to get along in one club it will not work it will rip Port Adelaide apart more.

 

[Lynwood]

For keeping the Magpies alive show me where in the past few months the Magpies have come out and said they need this to survive. I have heard that we may make a small profit this year and the POW is startign to turn a profit as well and has been for a few months. so get over using this media hype where people are saying the Magpie need this. I know it will be hard but the club will get to be profitable and to the top of the SANFL it will just take time.