List Mgmt. OOC 2021, who is playing for their careers 2021 edition?

[Tom14]

There’s quite a few people who mention trading Ely.

Try and think of one team that would trade for Ely. Even if it was a 5th round pick, so all Ely is doing is taking up a list spot and salary cap on another team.

I can’t think of any.

We would probably have to pay some of his salary to trade him.

But all you need is one team that liked him in the draft and thinks that for the price of a late late pick and not too much wage wise its worth giving him a shot. For example, if Nobes liked him pre-draft it wouldn't shock me if they would be interested - they will still have quite a few lists spots this year and definitely have the cap room. I don't think North make sense as I assume they will want a big draft class, but not out of the question that one team could be interested.

It will be a huge waste of the draft pick but then we probably knew that it was already.

 

[dlanod]

Which Connor are we talking about? The club rates McFadyen quiet highly. So I’m guessing you mean Ballenden? A couple of clubs had a small sniff last year. If he doesn’t get picked up maybe rookie list him for one more year?

Ballenden. We need to make three list changes - I can't name three more likely to be gone than him given the smoke around Birchall maybe going around again.

I wonder if CEY had a trigger to reach to get his 3rd year? Which you wouldn’t think he would have met.
Either that or we pay him out.
3 years straight up seemed a big contract with his injury history.

He'd have made the AFL issued free agent lists if he was OOC because he failed to meet a trigger so no, he's still on the books.

I don't think we'll pay him out as that's very unusual on any team. The most likely case is moving him to the rookie list.

How many draft picks do we have to make? If it's three, that means we'll be counting on Lane to be our backup ruck, and I'm concerned we'll be putting too much responsibility on him too early if Oscar gets hurt or suspended in future.

Three list changes, of which one of those can be promotion of a rookie. However this year all three year rookies can be retained for an extra year on the rookie list so there's no incentive to bring players up unless it's moving them from Cat B to the senior list, i.e. Madden.

There’s quite a few people who mention trading Ely.

Try and think of one team that would trade for Ely. Even if it was a 5th round pick, so all Ely is doing is taking up a list spot and salary cap on another team.

I can’t think of any.

Plenty of clubs will take a gamble on an ex-first round pick that they could probably have for a pick they wouldn't necessarily use. North, Carlton, Hawthorn, maybe even Richmond could all be willing to take a punt. If we're demanding a second rounder or better back, sure there would not likely be much interest, but look at the deal we did to offload Witherden if we don't see Ely as part of our future plans.

 

[briztoon]

I guess people are just hoping to be able to free up his list spot.
I remember hearing that there was a little interest from Essendon last year?
Would love to trade CEY as well to free up his spot but that is highly unlikely to happen either.

I don’t remember Essendon being interested at all. They were focused on Caldwell and Dunkley.

I agree that I would like CEY and Ely off the list to use their list spots, but it’s not going to happen, unless those they retire themselves.

 

[briztoon]

Ballenden. We need to make three list changes - I can't name three more likely to be gone than him given the smoke around Birchall maybe going around again.



He'd have made the AFL issued free agent lists if he was OOC because he failed to meet a trigger so no, he's still on the books.

I don't think we'll pay him out as that's very unusual on any team. The most likely case is moving him to the rookie list.



Three list changes, of which one of those can be promotion of a rookie. However this year all three year rookies can be retained for an extra year on the rookie list so there's no incentive to bring players up unless it's moving them from Cat B to the senior list, i.e. Madden.



Plenty of clubs will take a gamble on an ex-first round pick that they could probably have for a pick they wouldn't necessarily use. North, Carlton, Hawthorn, maybe even Richmond could all be willing to take a punt. If we're demanding a second rounder or better back, sure there would not likely be much interest, but look at the deal we did to offload Witherden if we don't see Ely as part of our future plans.

I don’t believe Carlton or Hawthorn would look at Ely. Both clubs are full of inside mids, Carlton have Liam Stocker from the same draft, who has actually shown a (very small) bit AFL level and struggles to get a game as an inside mid.

Richmond have RCD and Thomson Dow they’re are committed to getting games into as young mids, and they probably pick up another one this draft.

 

[briztoon]

Oh, and Noble at North won’t either.

 

[knaf]

Feel for Ely. On the cusp early in the year then injuried for most of the season. Does anyone know how many VFL /scratch matches he played this year? However consensus is he is a dud?

maybe there is stuff happening off field that is not in the public domain.

I accept that list spots are scarce and one out of ESmith and Joyce may be unlucky. But I can’t see how all of a sudden he has no trade currency.

 

[briztoon]

Feel for Ely. On the cusp early in the year then injuried for most of the season. Does anyone know how many VFL /scratch matches he played this year? However consensus is he is a dud?

maybe there is stuff happening off field that is not in the public domain.

I accept that list spots are scarce and one out of ESmith and Joyce may be unlucky. But I can’t see how all of a sudden he has no trade currency.

Ely Smith is contracted for another year, Joyce is not.

Ely tested very well athletically at the 2018 draft combine, but he doesn’t translate all his athletic gifts to the football field.

When he has played reserves, he doesn’t perform as well as the other young mids on the list. Nor does he have the natural feel for the game as Joyce or Robertson.

He was very much considered a reach in the first round. Very much thought of as a mid second round pick in a draft that had great top end talent but very little depth beyond the first 16 or 17 picks.

Ely has little trade currency because he has not put the performances together at reserve level or shown much improvement in his 3 years on the list.

And this draft looks to be quite deep for mids.

If you need an inside mid to develop, fair chance a team will find a better option in the second round of this year’s draft than what Ely has shown to date.

 

[mpal6]

Ely Smith is contracted for another year, Joyce is not.

Ely tested very well athletically at the 2018 draft combine, but he doesn’t translate all his athletic gifts to the football field.

When he has played reserves, he doesn’t perform as well as the other young mids on the list. Nor does he have the natural feel for the game as Joyce or Robertson.

He was very much considered a reach in the first round. Very much thought of as a mid second round pick in a draft that had great top end talent but very little depth beyond the first 16 or 17 picks.

Ely has little trade currency because he has not put the performances together at reserve level or shown much improvement in his 3 years on the list.

And this draft looks to be quite deep for mids.

If you need an inside mid to develop, fair chance a team will find a better option in the second round of this year’s draft than what Ely has shown to date.

Wonder if we'll delist him and see if he gets more traction as a free player. We'll end up getting him as rookie anyway if nothing happens.

I'm thinking Swans or even GC might grab him if its a rookie spot. We will pay the difference for next year but get a list spot free.

 

[Nunez]

Wonder if we'll delist him and see if he gets more traction as a free player. We'll end up getting him as rookie anyway if nothing happens.

I'm thinking Swans or even GC might grab him if its a rookie spot. We will pay the difference for next year but get a list spot free.

I think we'll be happy to give him one more pre season to get it right. He was showing promise before his injuries so it's worth finding out what we can do with a full pre season and proper game time.

 

[Nuggo]

Ely is a tough one having never seen him play on an AFL stage. Like Archie we have been patient so going by that trend I am expecting him to see out his contract with the Lions then a decision will be made.

 

[KissKiss]

I do feel sorry for Ely. Spoken so highly in the offseason and looked poised to get a spot at the start of the year and then injuries and I think Sharp impressed the coaches and just never really seen again

 

[briztoon]

Wonder if we'll delist him and see if he gets more traction as a free player. We'll end up getting him as rookie anyway if nothing happens.

I'm thinking Swans or even GC might grab him if its a rookie spot. We will pay the difference for next year but get a list spot free.

GC won’t pick him up. They don’t have unlimited rookie list spots either. And they have a lot of young, better mids already.

They have their own list squeeze and salary cap issues

Nor will the Swans.

Clubs can move players straight from the senior list to the rookie list now, without having to wait for the rookie draft.

We might tell Ely, he can explore his options, but we won’t delist him and leave him in limbo, hoping another team picks him up.

 

[briztoon]

I do feel sorry for Ely. Spoken so highly in the offseason and looked poised to get a spot at the start of the year and then injuries and I think Sharp impressed the coaches and just never really seen again

I’m pretty sure that Ely was healthy at the beginning of the season, when Sharp was selected for the senior team.

 

[M Malice]

Fages on Matho in todays presser >

"Rhys is genuine like that, the players have so much respect for him.... you know when you make decisions about players.. if you keep at your club or let go, for me one of the big things is what they bring outside of on the field... how they help your culture, how the help your energy, how they help your enthusiasm, how they care for each other... Rhys is a star in that area, it was an easy decision to extend him because he's a decent midfielder.. and he's a great clubman as well."

 

[Quigley]

Matho has continued with his bang it forward style in the AFL but at reserves level he has continued to improve and is a different player. His kicking is better and he gets forward very well into dangerous spots. If his improvement continues he could well bring his form across to the AFL and he could become a solid top 22 player. He was a pretty similar level with Keays when he was at the Lions and it is not too much to think that Mathieson might have some upside left in him.

On Ely he looked really poor in the last game I saw him play and I wondered if his ticket had been stamped. Given he is contracted though that might not be the case. At the beginning of the year he was competing very closely with Sharp for a wing spot in the round 1 team. He had made a massive improvement in his running style and ability to cover ground. It was night and day compared to previous years in my opinion. Adding that to his game suddenly transformed him into a much more interesting prospect for me. Playing on the outside though he did look a little lost with his positioning and he had a bit of trouble finding the ball. Personally I would like him to bring his new found running ability to his traditional inside role. If he is going to make it is is probably in that role which is much more suited for the way Fagan likes to play anyway.

On Joyce I am hoping we retain him. He would probably be our most consistent player in the reserves this year and has shown the ability to find a tonne of hte ball. Mathieson had more hurt factor but Joyce was right in there at the coal face with him. I think he was unlucky not to get a game this year and he is someone who I think could certainly play at AFL level reasonably well. The problem for him is that he is a little bit too much like Neale and Lyons athletically and does not have a lot of hurt factor. Still if they went down he is likely to step in and provide reasonable production I think.

For me I think Brock Smith is pretty much certain to be gone. Brock seemed to go backwards the further the year went on although he was forced into playing key position a lot which was somewhat unfair on him. McFadyen would be the other I think should be let go. He got the chance through the midfield toward teh end of the year and I did not think he showed what I was hoping he would. I am hoping that Birchall gets the tap on hte shoulder as well freeing up a rookie spot for someone to be moved into. That seems to be the most sensible as he is cooked. As far as trades go Answerth is one who I think might get some minor interest if we wanted to clear a space and with his injury and whatever else is going on with him others have gone past him in the pecking order.

 

[mpal6]

Matho has continued with his bang it forward style in the AFL but at reserves level he has continued to improve and is a different player. His kicking is better and he gets forward very well into dangerous spots. If his improvement continues he could well bring his form across to the AFL and he could become a solid top 22 player. He was a pretty similar level with Keays when he was at the Lions and it is not too much to think that Mathieson might have some upside left in him.

On Ely he looked really poor in the last game I saw him play and I wondered if his ticket had been stamped. Given he is contracted though that might not be the case. At the beginning of the year he was competing very closely with Sharp for a wing spot in the round 1 team. He had made a massive improvement in his running style and ability to cover ground. It was night and day compared to previous years in my opinion. Adding that to his game suddenly transformed him into a much more interesting prospect for me. Playing on the outside though he did look a little lost with his positioning and he had a bit of trouble finding the ball. Personally I would like him to bring his new found running ability to his traditional inside role. If he is going to make it is is probably in that role which is much more suited for the way Fagan likes to play anyway.

On Joyce I am hoping we retain him. He would probably be our most consistent player in the reserves this year and has shown the ability to find a tonne of hte ball. Mathieson had more hurt factor but Joyce was right in there at the coal face with him. I think he was unlucky not to get a game this year and he is someone who I think could certainly play at AFL level reasonably well. The problem for him is that he is a little bit too much like Neale and Lyons athletically and does not have a lot of hurt factor. Still if they went down he is likely to step in and provide reasonable production I think.

For me I think Brock Smith is pretty much certain to be gone. Brock seemed to go backwards the further the year went on although he was forced into playing key position a lot which was somewhat unfair on him. McFadyen would be the other I think should be let go. He got the chance through the midfield toward teh end of the year and I did not think he showed what I was hoping he would. I am hoping that Birchall gets the tap on hte shoulder as well freeing up a rookie spot for someone to be moved into. That seems to be the most sensible as he is cooked. As far as trades go Answerth is one who I think might get some minor interest if we wanted to clear a space and with his injury and whatever else is going on with him others have gone past him in the pecking order.

McFadyen got an extra year as well. Contracted for 2022 now.

 

[davemc_lions]

CEY and E Smith.. Both been injured a lot of the year and both contracted.
Not sure either going anywhere.
I am not as harsh as others here are on our players. I do worry that some of our depth not progressed well
Also not been a good 2 year to be in the second game wise

I say be Archie, B Smith, Joyce and Ballenden gone.
We might trade one back in depending what we get

 

[briztoon]

As I’ve mentioned in the draft thread, and as the club has mentioned a couple of times, we’re probably only drafting two players this year, and upgrading Madden.

I believe we’ll see more of a list clear out next year, as we’re probably going to need to take a few picks to the draft to match our father son bid/s.

It’s also possible that we have an academy prospect or two that might end up on the rookie list.

And there’s always the prospect us using next year’s first round pick in a trade.

 

[AFLQLD]

Eli will be hard pressed to make it if he doesn’t make it by the start of next season I think. With Rayner back, Robertson developing, Sharp fit and a few others waiting in the reserves, he will need to be a shining light in preseason to get to the head of the queue.

 

[Viceregal]

Hopefully more options next year for players to develop in the seconds - the last two years can't have helped there.

 

[lionraven]

Jarryd Lyons

17

Jarryd Lyons

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.5

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

21.7

5star

K

14.7

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.1

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.6

4star

looked pretty average at the Crows. Single stringed in the midfield. Good football knowledge. Not overly athletic and his kicking is fairly average. Its only when he made a partnership with Neale and we played to his strength he has become what he has. Keays is the same as well. Average kicking and athleticism. Now he is in a team that allows him to maximise his strength and he looks really good. I feel Matheison is the same. I feel if his role was to be that in and under extractor he would excel just like what he has shown in the 2s. Jarryd is 29 and may only have a couple years left of good football. Having a role player like Matho be available to cover that Neale or Lyons role on minimum dollars is great value. He may be that transition hard body that assists the transition from Neale/Lyons to Ashcroft/2021/2022/2023 midfield picks that we want to develop into this type of player.

 

[cotter101]

Love Matho and pumped he is at the club for another two years. Genuinely would employee him in an off field role with the club after his career.

Spells trouble for Joyce. And probably suggests we don’t plan on carrying one of CEY and Ely into next season.

Joyce has some talent. Unfortunately for him with the issues he has earlier in the season and that we have Neale and Lyons ahead of him as like for likes along with Matho generally the more deserving based off form for the next cab off the rank.

Hope Freo or Eagles throw him a rookie spot.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Joyce has some talent. Unfortunately for him with the issues he has earlier in the season and that we have Neale and Lyons ahead of him as like for likes along with Matho generally the more deserving based off form for the next cab off the rank.

Is he? Joyce was apparently our best midfielder in the most recent game against Southport.

 

[Lazza16]

Matho has continued with his bang it forward style in the AFL but at reserves level he has continued to improve and is a different player. His kicking is better and he gets forward very well into dangerous spots. If his improvement continues he could well bring his form across to the AFL and he could become a solid top 22 player. He was a pretty similar level with Keays when he was at the Lions and it is not too much to think that Mathieson might have some upside left in him.

On Ely he looked really poor in the last game I saw him play and I wondered if his ticket had been stamped. Given he is contracted though that might not be the case. At the beginning of the year he was competing very closely with Sharp for a wing spot in the round 1 team. He had made a massive improvement in his running style and ability to cover ground. It was night and day compared to previous years in my opinion. Adding that to his game suddenly transformed him into a much more interesting prospect for me. Playing on the outside though he did look a little lost with his positioning and he had a bit of trouble finding the ball. Personally I would like him to bring his new found running ability to his traditional inside role. If he is going to make it is is probably in that role which is much more suited for the way Fagan likes to play anyway.

On Joyce I am hoping we retain him. He would probably be our most consistent player in the reserves this year and has shown the ability to find a tonne of hte ball. Mathieson had more hurt factor but Joyce was right in there at the coal face with him. I think he was unlucky not to get a game this year and he is someone who I think could certainly play at AFL level reasonably well. The problem for him is that he is a little bit too much like Neale and Lyons athletically and does not have a lot of hurt factor. Still if they went down he is likely to step in and provide reasonable production I think.

For me I think Brock Smith is pretty much certain to be gone. Brock seemed to go backwards the further the year went on although he was forced into playing key position a lot which was somewhat unfair on him. McFadyen would be the other I think should be let go. He got the chance through the midfield toward teh end of the year and I did not think he showed what I was hoping he would. I am hoping that Birchall gets the tap on hte shoulder as well freeing up a rookie spot for someone to be moved into. That seems to be the most sensible as he is cooked. As far as trades go Answerth is one who I think might get some minor interest if we wanted to clear a space and with his injury and whatever else is going on with him others have gone past him in the pecking order.

Can u be out pecked if ur injured and can't play a game?

 

[cotter101]

Is he? Joyce was apparently our best midfielder in the most recent game against Southport.

Head to head Matho’s been a better performer in the two’s the last couple of years.

Was a scratch match. Matho probably wouldn’t have played in it given he was the medical sub for the seniors and came on after McStay’s injury. Yeah