Oppo Camp Opposition supporters say the strangest things

[JohnZ]

I don't even know what constitutes HTB or PITB anymore. I am bemused.

There were a few yesterday and I could not fathom how they were or were not free kicks. Clearly being called on a very technical perspective, but I have NFI what that is.

The HTB rule has way too much nuance to it.

Prior Opportunity - A player legally tackled needs to have had prior opportunity to be called HTB. Is ducking the head prior, or is it a high tackle? Does a second tackler sticking constitute prior? Does taking 1,2 or 3 steps constitute prior? AFL needs to clean this shit up.

Legally Sticking the Tackle - A bump isn't a tackle, yet at least once yesterday we had a HTB paid against us (Hickey wing) because the ball got bumped out. Farcical.

Genuine Attempt - If the umpire deems no prior opportunity to dispose the ball, player still needs to make a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball (which is why they run around the pack in circles for 30 fecking seconds instead of just blowing the damn whistle).

So then you get into situations where a player might be tackled instantly, but because the AFL has said a 360 tackle is now HTB, the lack of prior goes out the window if you can 360 them, except since Rd1 a 360 hasn't been deemed HTB because the interpretations keep changing from week to week. Sigh.

My biggest frustration is honestly the time it takes to adjudicate the rule. The umpires have been given a clear directive to let the ball play for as long as possible, which just attracts the players to the contest and makes it even more congested.

How I would simplify the rules:

1. If the tackle sticks, blow the whistle straight away. No waiting for a genuine attempt (which is in most cases a legalised throw, no thanks). Like a mark, it's pretty obvious early on if the tackle is effective or not.

2. Prior Opportunity should be determined before/as the whistle is blown. Prior Opportunity is one of the below
a. Taken a step. If you've picked up the ball and moved, you've had opportunity to dispose of it, that's your prior
b. Initiated contact. If you've taken on the contact and don't dispose immediately then that's prior
c. Taken possession not on your feet. If you're on the ground and take possession, that's your prior
d. Taken a mark/free kick, play on called, that's your prior

3. The umpire now has four outcomes they can pay
a. No Prior - Ball Up
b. No Prior - Illegal Disposal
c. Prior - Holding the Ball
d. Illegal Tackle

rant over.

 

[allrighty]

The HTB rule has way too much nuance to it.

Prior Opportunity - A player legally tackled needs to have had prior opportunity to be called HTB. Is ducking the head prior, or is it a high tackle? Does a second tackler sticking constitute prior? Does taking 1,2 or 3 steps constitute prior? AFL needs to clean this shit up.

Legally Sticking the Tackle - A bump isn't a tackle, yet at least once yesterday we had a HTB paid against us (Hickey wing) because the ball got bumped out. Farcical.

Genuine Attempt - If the umpire deems no prior opportunity to dispose the ball, player still needs to make a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball (which is why they run around the pack in circles for 30 fecking seconds instead of just blowing the damn whistle).

So then you get into situations where a player might be tackled instantly, but because the AFL has said a 360 tackle is now HTB, the lack of prior goes out the window if you can 360 them, except since Rd1 a 360 hasn't been deemed HTB because the interpretations keep changing from week to week. Sigh.

My biggest frustration is honestly the time it takes to adjudicate the rule. The umpires have been given a clear directive to let the ball play for as long as possible, which just attracts the players to the contest and makes it even more congested.

How I would simplify the rules:

1. If the tackle sticks, blow the whistle straight away. No waiting for a genuine attempt (which is in most cases a legalised throw, no thanks). Like a mark, it's pretty obvious early on if the tackle is effective or not.

2. Prior Opportunity should be determined before/as the whistle is blown. Prior Opportunity is one of the below
a. Taken a step. If you've picked up the ball and moved, you've had opportunity to dispose of it, that's your prior
b. Initiated contact. If you've taken on the contact and don't dispose immediately then that's prior
c. Taken possession not on your feet. If you're on the ground and take possession, that's your prior
d. Taken a mark/free kick, play on called, that's your prior

3. The umpire now has four outcomes they can pay
a. No Prior - Ball Up
b. No Prior - Illegal Disposal
c. Prior - Holding the Ball
d. Illegal Tackle

rant over.

Yeah spot on rant though. Well said and well thought through.

Here's the rub though. If the umps were to adopt these it would not be that hard to adjudicate and get on with the bloody game would it?

I suspect that part of the problem is too many fingers in the pie, too much computer modelling and analysis going on for it to be in any way simple, and too many of the modelers being IT experts not footy experts.

Bit like most things we are being sold these days sadly.

 

[catempire]

The HTB rule has way too much nuance to it.

Prior Opportunity - A player legally tackled needs to have had prior opportunity to be called HTB. Is ducking the head prior, or is it a high tackle? Does a second tackler sticking constitute prior? Does taking 1,2 or 3 steps constitute prior? AFL needs to clean this shit up.

Legally Sticking the Tackle - A bump isn't a tackle, yet at least once yesterday we had a HTB paid against us (Hickey wing) because the ball got bumped out. Farcical.

Genuine Attempt - If the umpire deems no prior opportunity to dispose the ball, player still needs to make a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball (which is why they run around the pack in circles for 30 fecking seconds instead of just blowing the damn whistle).

So then you get into situations where a player might be tackled instantly, but because the AFL has said a 360 tackle is now HTB, the lack of prior goes out the window if you can 360 them, except since Rd1 a 360 hasn't been deemed HTB because the interpretations keep changing from week to week. Sigh.

My biggest frustration is honestly the time it takes to adjudicate the rule. The umpires have been given a clear directive to let the ball play for as long as possible, which just attracts the players to the contest and makes it even more congested.

How I would simplify the rules:

1. If the tackle sticks, blow the whistle straight away. No waiting for a genuine attempt (which is in most cases a legalised throw, no thanks). Like a mark, it's pretty obvious early on if the tackle is effective or not.

2. Prior Opportunity should be determined before/as the whistle is blown. Prior Opportunity is one of the below
a. Taken a step. If you've picked up the ball and moved, you've had opportunity to dispose of it, that's your prior
b. Initiated contact. If you've taken on the contact and don't dispose immediately then that's prior
c. Taken possession not on your feet. If you're on the ground and take possession, that's your prior
d. Taken a mark/free kick, play on called, that's your prior

3. The umpire now has four outcomes they can pay
a. No Prior - Ball Up
b. No Prior - Illegal Disposal
c. Prior - Holding the Ball
d. Illegal Tackle

rant over.

Yuck. Tacklefest that would lose me to the game.

 

[And_ROOS]

The only change I really want to see with tackling is that if you are tackled, and you don't kick it or handball it, its a free kick.

Knocked out in the tackle? Free kick.
Tackled and just drop it? Free kick.

So often I see the above happens and its waved play on.

 

[BotsMaster]

The only change I really want to see with tackling is that if you are tackled, and you don't kick it or handball it, its a free kick.

Knocked out in the tackle? Free kick.
Tackled and just drop it? Free kick.

So often I see the above happens and its waved play on.

Technically it is incorrect disposal.

 

[CharacterFirst]

The only change I really want to see with tackling is that if you are tackled, and you don't kick it or handball it, its a free kick.

Knocked out in the tackle? Free kick.
Tackled and just drop it? Free kick.

So often I see the above happens and its waved play on.

Knocked out in the tackle should be play on.

Just dropping the ball or putting it on the ground and letting go - incorrect disposal. Free kick.

 

[catempire]

The only change I really want to see with tackling is that if you are tackled, and you don't kick it or handball it, its a free kick.

Knocked out in the tackle? Free kick.
Tackled and just drop it? Free kick.

So often I see the above happens and its waved play on.

Knocked out in the tackle no prior is rightly play on.

Just dropping it is already HTB. When it’s not paid that’s an umpire error.

 

[cats_09]

But but but Joel & Tom are the most protected players in the league...

 

[BotsMaster]

But but but Joel & Tom are the most protected players in the league...

Harry McKay the only key forward with a bit of luck.

 

[Generalissimo]

Harry McKay the only key forward with a bit of luck.

I checked the stats once and found that, of the key forwards, Charlie Dixon gets the most frees for and Tom Hawkins by far the fewest.

 

[BotsMaster]

I checked the stats once and found that, of the key forwards, Charlie Dixon gets the most frees for and Tom Hawkins by far the fewest.

I wonder if Tom also gives away the most frees

 

[Generalissimo]

I wonder if Tom also gives away the most frees

No, he's only slightly above average in that stat. Doing so much F50 ruck work gives him more chances to concede frees, so that shouldn't be surprising.

 

[Sky]

special kind of stupid enjoyed seeing them get roasted

 

[FredLeDeux]

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special kind of stupid

TBF, it should have been paid 30 metres down field where he landed.

 

[Sky]

TBF, it should have been paid 30 metres down field where he landed.

Think you missed the actual point

 

[FredLeDeux]

Think you missed the actual point

Someone did, that's for sure.

 

[Sky]

Someone did, that's for sure.

Got sick of the weightman jokes a year ago kids a flop so what? too many of them around

 

[Generalissimo]

Check out all the goons in the Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

thread trying to pretend it was all Tuohy's fault. That's a special kind of delusionally stupid.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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special kind of stupid enjoyed seeing them get roasted

Straight to the pool room!

 

[Romeoh1]

Check out all the goons in the Bailey Smith thread trying to pretend it was all Tuohy's fault. That's a special kind of delusionally stupid.

Yep- the levels of stupidity on big footy never cease to amaze me. It’s a scream.

 

[Romeoh1]

Check out all the goons in the Bailey Smith thread trying to pretend it was all Tuohy's fault. That's a special kind of delusionally stupid.

Actually it’s not just a matter of stupidity- some of them are so bitter and twisted it’s kind of weird.

 

[Romeoh1]

Got sick of the weightman jokes a year ago kids a flop so what? too many of them around

I like his energy, and his skills and he seems quite nice. And he’s certainly not the only one who is a repeat offender, but it’d be good if he could cut the diving etc. Don’t think he got paid one last night, so it’s like the boy who cried wolf for him.

 

[Catman]

Enjoy this collection of salty as f*ck posts from the same person on the Crows board. The last two in particular I enjoyed and in regards to the last one, where's top 10 pick Fischer McAsey

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Fischer Mcasey

Age

23

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

these days? I'd be filthy too to see SDK doing what he does while McAsey, taken earlier in the same draft, can't get a game.

It must be so damn frustrating manning up on Hawkins. All he does is push you in the back and constantly gets away with it

I was thinking about how many punchable faces there are at Geelong... Hawkins, Cameron, Smith, Selwood, Danger.... completely forgot about Gary ******* Rohan

How are Cameron and Porkins always free??

Hahahaha how do the umps keep falling for Hawkins dives?

Glorious. He dropped to the ground like a sack of shit. Add his name to punchable Geelong dicks

Can someone run through Cameron pls

Lol Geelong are so lucky

Brad Close would add nothing to our side

And the fap fest over De Koning continues

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Enjoy this collection of salty as f*ck posts from the same person on the Crows board. The last two in particular I enjoyed and in regards to the last one, where's top 10 pick Fischer McAsey these days?

I can probably guess which one

 

[OzeSparky]

I can probably guess which one

Dinner party?