Other Australasian casinos (not Crown or Burswood)

Remove this Banner Ad

Re: Australian (and NZ) Casino discussion (except for Crown Casino)

I don't mind the $60 bet in second thoughts, because that does actually price out the gutshots of which there are more than I first thought when looking at this flop. But I would still argue that the $30 has merit.

It may be that a simple checkraise shove is the best line of all.
 
Re: Australian (and NZ) Casino discussion (except for Crown Casino)

I thought you were crazy at first Pax. But you explained it great in that last post, I understand exactly what you're trying to achieve but I still prefer to bet $100+ there. I understand your logic, but I just couldn't bring myself to price most in to hit there miracle.

This 'theory' is also going along the thinking of a very long-term player. You will get sucked out on alot but so long as others are making mistakes you will make a profit in the long-term. Alot of people don't go to the casino that often so maybe making those smaller draws fold (even if it is correct for them) then they will be certainly happy taking the calls from any flush draws / TPTK/ possibly taking the pot there. Hope some of that made sense.
 
Re: Australian (and NZ) Casino discussion (except for Crown Casino)

Cartman121 said:
I thought you were crazy at first Pax. But you explained it great in that last post, I understand exactly what you're trying to achieve but I still prefer to bet $100+ there. I understand your logic, but I just couldn't bring myself to price most in to hit there miracle.
Click to expand...

Thanks. I'm not even sure if I could actually bring myself to play it that way - I suspect I'd just checkraise shove and hope for a bad call.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

Been thinking of planning a 3-4 day trip to Canberra. Have never been there before, thought I could just drive up, maybe catch an NRL game.

Weekend of July 24-27 has AFL and NRL:
NRL: Raiders v Wests Tigers - Canberra Stadium (date tba)
AFL: Melbourne v Sydney - Manuka Oval (Sun Jul 26 1:10pm)

Although neither game appeals to me greatly. Maybe I should catch a Super 14 game instead, although I'd have to be quick if I wanted to go this year. And I'd have to give the casino a ring to find out about their poker.

Otherwise some better games would be:
NRL: Raiders v Warriors - Canberra Stadium (Sun May 24 2:00pm)
AFL: Western Bulldogs v Sydney - Manuka Oval (Sat May 30 2:10pm)
NRL: Raiders v Storm - Canberra Stadium (June 26 - 29)
 
Going to play my first proper session tonight at SkyCity since I can't drink with the boys tonight and when your not drunk clubs can possibly be the most boring thing ever.

Might struggle to adjust with 40BB min buy in but I know alot more poker theory than I did 3 months ago. I'm comfortable at NL10 online now so I'll see how the $2 tables go tonight.
 
red+black said:
SkyCity is one of the better Australian casinos. Let us know how you went.
Click to expand...
Had to play 2/2 with a shortish stack and lets just say my pocket kings ran into pocket 5's on a flop of 855. Bet out to river until I was all-in, no raises from quad guy.

My live game could probably use some improvment but it's all a learning curve. I'll continue to grind online for a little while yet.

(sorry not up to Ash recount standard but one day:p)
 
New casino planned for Adelaide

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25419679-5006336,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25420066-2682,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25418540-2682,00.html

Don't forget to have a perusal of the comments section.

adelaide.jpg
 
Went into the Canberra casino on Sunday. It's a bloody tiny casino but the beauty of it is that it is all tables and TAB, not a pokie in sight!

We rocked up at midday and sat back to watch the Adelaide vs Hawks game. At half time we decided to ask what time poker would start. He told us it would start at 5pm but we should put our names down now as the list was almost full and only 1 table gets opened. So if you plan to go to play poker get there early and sign up! Play is 5/5 $200-$500 buy in. I bought in for $200.

Anyway sat down and it seemed like everyone knew each other so I thought it would be best to see how the table is for the first few hands. First hand I muck some rubbish and there were 6 runners for the first hand. Flop comes down 10-8-3 rainbow. Little asian guy bets out for $20 and gets 1 caller. Turn is a 5 and LA leads again with a $50 bet, opponent moves all in for an extra $140 for LA who thinks for a bit before calling. In Canberra both players must show their hand before the final card is dealt, LA shows 10-4 whilst the other guy shows 10-8 for 2 pair. I laughed and thought this might be good.

After a few hands I get A-J and call a raise of $15 pre flop with 2 other players. Flop comes A-4-6 and I open for $30 and get 2 callers before LA raises by $150. With 2 people behind me I have an easy fold. The other 2 also fold with the last to fold showing A-10 before mucking. LA shows 4-6 offsuit. I laugh again.

I don't get anything for ages and I'm in the small blind and get 10-8 os, 5 players limp in and I'm more than happy to check. Flop comes down 9-J-Q rainbow and knowing the tables is full of calling stations I lead for $20 and 4 of the 5 call it. Turn fortunately is a blank and I push in for $130, everyone folds.

I didn't get anything for a while and watched as LA rivered 4 different people including my best mate for a $350 pot with his flush at the end. Pick up a few more small pots ($50-$80) and am sitting with $400-odd when I get K-3 os in the BB. Again there are 5 limpers and the flop comes 3-3-10 with 2 hearts. I bet $20 and the guy next to me raises to $50, 2 players call him and I decide to see the next card (probably a very poor decision). Fortunately next card is a blank and I lead for $150 and it is folded to LA who thinks for an eternity before probably deciding that he has been lucky more than enough times already.

At this point my crew all came back from dinner and wanted to leave so I cashed in my $610 which had to be changed at the table to bigger chips (1 x $500, 1 x $100) which made the game come to a complete halt.

All in all I'd say the play there is OK but there were 3 fish at the table always looking to draw out on you. You always get value for your hands, it's just a matter if someone will suck out on you.

Also no time charge, however rake is charged at 5% with a max of $10. Might be wrong on the max could be $20 but I cant remember exactly.
 
Borgsta said:
Went into the Canberra casino on Sunday. It's a bloody tiny casino but the beauty of it is that it is all tables and TAB, not a pokie in sight!
Click to expand...

Went to the Dogs game? I've been wanting to get up there but want to schedule it with a game or two of AFL/NRL/S14. I'm thinking I'll wait till next year.
 
paxmaniac said:
And I thought $50 BI for 2/3 was nuts :eek::confused:
Click to expand...

haha sorry, updated post. Min buy in was $200.

red+black said:
Went to the Dogs game? I've been wanting to get up there but want to schedule it with a game or two of AFL/NRL/S14. I'm thinking I'll wait till next year.
Click to expand...

Yeah. I always hope to do the same thing (multi sports) but it never seems to work out that way.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

I went to play live for the first time in a month at Conrad treasury brisbane. Last time i played live was at Crown.

I had a free day on Sunday and from the start of the week I was bit nervous about going, I hate that empty feeling when you leave your seat after not only loosing what you came to play with, but re-buying after a bad beat and losing your stack cause deep down your on tilt. This time i said only take $250 and thats that, so I needed to play solid. I was in the right frame of mind and everytime I am in the right frame of mind, IE well slept, breakfast, been thinking about it, played online ect.

Anyway I arrive just in time for a new table, so everybody starts with $250, except one donk gambler who re-buys every orbit for $100 while marking his form guide and talking about bloody horses.

I make a few calls no cards for the first hour and find myself down to $140 without winning a hand yet. Eventually hit the board or get some good cards and get back to where i started.

After this I had two significant hands.

I am on BB with KK. Limpers here and there, I raise to $25 (appropriate for the pot size and perfect for somebody to re-raise. fold, then a re-raise to $75 two spots down from me, folds all the way to small blind (asian) who calls.

My instinct is that re-raiser has QQ and I hope he hasn't AA. So I re-raise to $150. He makes a bit of a sigh sound, so I know he has QQ why else would you re-raise with anything less? He asks how much do I have and I have about $180 left. He shoves, small blind who I really didn't worry about (I figured he had A-something) calls, I call. I cant watch the flop, board runs out I take down a massive pot.
I ask him how could he not put me on a big hand (because he is a solid player and old)-he says well even if you did there is still 7 cards to come. Sure there is a luck factor, but generally the way i play my AA, KK is I never slow play never and I win 8-9 out of ten times. I always make sure people pay a high price to catch without going over board and pricing everybody out and just winning the blinds and a few limp bets.

Based on his theory that you can race any high pockets, I would think that 22 has as much chance as QQ against KK or AA?
If your chance of floping a set is 1 in 9 then surely you wouldn't back QQ vs KK to double your money or triple it? You'd want to invest $100 to win $800 wouldn't you? I know it's hard folding QQ, but if the raiser, re-raises your raise then surely you can only put him on higher pockets?
Anyway my thoughts and waiting to see what others think.

Now after this hand I know for sure 100% that nobody will try and bluff me. So I can now play my best-my weakness is thinking that I am getting out-bluffed. I bluff well also but i'm learning to be selective now and only in late position.

Anyway I pick up a pot here a pot there, nothing of significant for the next hour.

Then I have K10 in the big blind, almost a family pot.
Board hits QK10

I raise to $25, fold, Raise to $50, fold back to me. I figured this dude had AJ or J9 I call because I had to. Turn is a 10. I check he shoves for $170 I get a bit scared thinking for minute he has Q10. What can I do if he has? I call. He has AJ. I apologise to him I feel sort of bad cause he flopped the nuts.

An hour late I loose an average pot to a higher full house, A9A, I had the nine and small bet out of position for $10, hoping I will get re-raised so I can fold. I continue this betting pattern of $10 on the turn. River brings a 9, I bet out $25, get re-saised to $75 I have to call but know now he was slow playing his trip Aces. A few more orbits and I leave.
with about $750 profit
 
Royal Flush said:
My instinct is that re-raiser has QQ and I hope he hasn't AA. So I re-raise to $150. He makes a bit of a sigh sound, so I know he has QQ why else would you re-raise with anything less? He asks how much do I have and I have about $180 left. He shoves, small blind who I really didn't worry about (I figured he had A-something) calls, I call. I cant watch the flop, board runs out I take down a massive pot.
I ask him how could he not put me on a big hand (because he is a solid player and old)-he says well even if you did there is still 7 cards to come. Sure there is a luck factor, but generally the way i play my AA, KK is I never slow play never and I win 8-9 out of ten times. I always make sure people pay a high price to catch without going over board and pricing everybody out and just winning the blinds and a few limp bets.
Click to expand...

It's tough to fold QQ there unless he knows you really well. Most players could easily have AK or JJ in that spot, and he had already put a lot of money in. Some players might also try to run a bluff from the BB in an unraised pot.


I know it's hard folding QQ, but if the raiser, re-raises your raise then surely you can only put him on higher pockets?
Anyway my thoughts and waiting to see what others think.
Click to expand...

Only if he is nitty and predictable :)

Then I have K10 in the big blind, almost a family pot.
Board hits QK10

I raise to $25, fold, Raise to $50, fold back to me. I figured this dude had AJ or J9 I call because I had to. Turn is a 10. I check he shoves for $170 I get a bit scared thinking for minute he has Q10. What can I do if he has? I call. He has AJ. I apologise to him I feel sort of bad cause he flopped the nuts.
Click to expand...

Putting players on a single hand is generally a mistake. IMO the raiser could easily have KJ, QK, JT. You played it fine, but his range is wider than you think. In fact I'm a little surprised that AJ didn't raise preflop.

An hour late I loose an average pot to a higher full house, A9A, I had the nine and small bet out of position for $10, hoping I will get re-raised so I can fold. I continue this betting pattern of $10 on the turn. River brings a 9, I bet out $25, get re-saised to $75 I have to call but know now he was slow playing his trip Aces. A few more orbits and I leave.
with about $750 profit
Click to expand...

How many players saw the flop? If it's more than a couple, you should play your nine very warily. I'd probably bet out once and be done with it. The turn bet is very weak. Good players will raise that bet with nothing and force you to fold. On the river check-call is way better than bet-call, since he is raising you with an ace or a bluff only.
 
paxmaniac said:
How many players saw the flop? If it's more than a couple, you should play your nine very warily. I'd probably bet out once and be done with it. The turn bet is very weak. Good players will raise that bet with nothing and force you to fold. On the river check-call is way better than bet-call, since he is raising you with an ace or a bluff only.
Click to expand...

Yes weak for two reasons;

A> I quite often represent the nuts through small sucker bets to build up a pot for nice half/full pot raise on the river. So Assuming I had the ace OOP and raised by the size of the pot, you'd get everybody folding. I have found a small "sucker" bet enough at times with small pots to to get the rest of the table to fold also.
B> I was also hoping for a re-raise from him, becasue the little bell inside my head said he has the ace which I could only confirm by a small weak bet. I wish he re-raised me so I could fold.
 
Royal Flush said:
A> I quite often represent the nuts through small sucker bets to build up a pot for nice half/full pot raise on the river. So Assuming I had the ace OOP and raised by the size of the pot, you'd get everybody folding. I have found a small "sucker" bet enough at times with small pots to to get the rest of the table to fold also.
B> I was also hoping for a re-raise from him, becasue the little bell inside my head said he has the ace which I could only confirm by a small weak bet. I wish he re-raised me so I could fold.
Click to expand...

A> That's fine if the guy has played with you enough to know that your small bets are often strong. I suspect that wasn't the case here.

B> Hoping for a re-raise so you can fold is a very poor way to play a hand. Suppose I was your opponent, holding a small pocket pair on the button, or maybe even worse than that. I will often call your $10 flop bet as a 'float', to see how you act on the turn. The $10 turn bet looks very weak, and I would raise it in position with many hands worse than trip aces. On the other hand, if I have a weak ace I'd probably just call and hope you fire again (because if I raise and you call you probably have me out kicked).
 
I went to play live for the first time in a month at Conrad treasury brisbane. Last time i played live was at Crown.

I had a free day on Sunday and from the start of the week I was bit nervous about going, I hate that empty feeling when you leave your seat after not only loosing what you came to play with, but re-buying after a bad beat and losing your stack cause deep down your on tilt. This time i said only take $250 and thats that, so I needed to play solid. I was in the right frame of mind and everytime I am in the right frame of mind, IE well slept, breakfast, been thinking about it, played online ect.

If you are scared that you arent going to beat the game, either on a specific night, or in general, you probably shouldnt play that day, and do something else instead. Playing scared is not the way to go...

Anyway I arrive just in time for a new table, so everybody starts with $250, except one donk gambler who re-buys every orbit for $100 while marking his form guide and talking about bloody horses.

I make a few calls no cards for the first hour and find myself down to $140 without winning a hand yet. Eventually hit the board or get some good cards and get back to where i started.

After this I had two significant hands.

I am on BB with KK. Limpers here and there, I raise to $25 (appropriate for the pot size and perfect for somebody to re-raise. fold, then a re-raise to $75 two spots down from me, folds all the way to small blind (asian) who calls.

There would be absolutely no reason to reraise if it has limped around, unless someone has thought "ZOMG AA UTG, I better just limp in and tarp haha." The raise amount is generally good if you are playing 2/3 and there has been 5-6 limpers IMO...

My instinct is that re-raiser has QQ and I hope he hasn't AA. So I re-raise to $150. He makes a bit of a sigh sound, so I know he has QQ why else would you re-raise with anything less? He asks how much do I have and I have about $180 left. He shoves, small blind who I really didn't worry about (I figured he had A-something) calls, I call. I cant watch the flop, board runs out I take down a massive pot.

Did the other players show what they had? The person who limp/raised looked like AA, but in general can be a lot more hands at 2/3. Id be pretty happy just getting it in with KK after his reraise and if he has AA then that generally sucks, but it would in generally go all in on the majority of flops anyway... maybe Axx flops being the only ones where you can get away pretty easy.

I ask him how could he not put me on a big hand (because he is a solid player and old)-he says well even if you did there is still 7 cards to come. Sure there is a luck factor, but generally the way i play my AA, KK is I never slow play never and I win 8-9 out of ten times. I always make sure people pay a high price to catch without going over board and pricing everybody out and just winning the blinds and a few limp bets.

Shouldnt really tap the tank, espcially in a hand such as that questioning how they play. Generally I try to not initiate a conversation with someone I have just beaten in a big pot, through either a suckout or being outplayed etc... If they say nh, just say thanks, if they question how you played the hand, just say something along the lines of felt lucky or whatever. Its usually pretty bad to talk strategy at the table, as the fish will feel awkward and some people will figure out that there is a lot of skill in the game, which is bad. Questioning his rationale behind the hand is pretty bad...

Based on his theory that you can race any high pockets, I would think that 22 has as much chance as QQ against KK or AA?

22 would generally have the same chance (about 18%) as QQ against KK. However, what you are doing wrong is putting someone on one specific hand after not much action... Fact i, its impossible to put someone on a specific hand preflop usually at 2/3. Thats where the difference between 22 and QQ comes out, becuase it isnt always KK, sometimes its AQ, AJ or JJ, where QQ and 22 have different chances.

If your chance of floping a set is 1 in 9 then surely you wouldn't back QQ vs KK to double your money or triple it? You'd want to invest $100 to win $800 wouldn't you? I know it's hard folding QQ, but if the raiser, re-raises your raise then surely you can only put him on higher pockets?
Anyway my thoughts and waiting to see what others think.

Yes, but sometimes its against AK or a different hand. And if you are all in you have 5 cards to hit a set, not just on the flop. And you flop a set one in ever 7.5 IIRC not one in 9.

Now after this hand I know for sure 100% that nobody will try and bluff me. So I can now play my best-my weakness is thinking that I am getting out-bluffed. I bluff well also but i'm learning to be selective now and only in late position.

Smart players who play against you regularly will realise if you bluff only in late position. Also, thinks such as flop texture, who you are up against, and how much both yourself and your opponent have behind are generally more important then acting last, because to a good player, a bet when checked to is less likely to be a strong hand then someone leading into 4 people...

Anyway I pick up a pot here a pot there, nothing of significant for the next hour.

Then I have K10 in the big blind, almost a family pot.
Board hits QK10

I raise to $25, fold, Raise to $50, fold back to me. I figured this dude had AJ or J9 I call because I had to. Turn is a 10. I check he shoves for $170 I get a bit scared thinking for minute he has Q10. What can I do if he has? I call. He has AJ. I apologise to him I feel sort of bad cause he flopped the nuts.

Shouldnt apologise. You got the majority of the money in good. However, as has been said, you cant put someone JUST on J9 or AJ. It can be a lot of other hands as well... Oh, and KT >> QT. If he has that then unlucky for him, its poker, deal with it.

An hour late I loose an average pot to a higher full house, A9A, I had the nine and small bet out of position for $10, hoping I will get re-raised so I can fold. I continue this betting pattern of $10 on the turn. River brings a 9, I bet out $25, get re-saised to $75 I have to call but know now he was slow playing his trip Aces. A few more orbits and I leave.
with about $750 profit

I dont like how you played this hand. What did you think he had on that board to call you twice, then raise the river. This is a turbo fold on the end, I would have checked the turn probably then folded to a bet. Bet of 25 was pretty bad at the end. A 9 just cold calls, and the only hand that raises in an ace. Also, you said you knew he had it. Trust your instincts more IMO, if you think he has it, dont pay $50 to find out...
 
ashley12 said:
If you are scared that you arent going to beat the game, either on a specific night, or in general, you probably shouldnt play that day, and do something else instead. Playing scared is not the way to go...
Click to expand...

I know LOL. The problem is when I play bad, and it's only ever one or two mistakes that totally screw what was otherwise solid play. Then I rebuy on tilt thats bad. Personally I need to make a mental note to myself in preparation to a game to respect my $$$. Sometimes I throw chips around agressively like it's a home cash game. where you re-buy for $40 at a time and have fun trying to out play your mates. "Scared" is a healthy process for me to respect money and be patient. Allows me to play to my game.

ashley12 said:
Did the other players show what they had? The person who limp/raised looked like AA, but in general can be a lot more hands at 2/3. Id be pretty happy just getting it in with KK after his reraise and if he has AA then that generally sucks, but it would in generally go all in on the majority of flops anyway... maybe Axx flops being the only ones where you can get away pretty easy.
Click to expand...

The game is 2.5/5. They showed their hands, asian dude had A6.

ashley12 said:
Shouldnt really tap the tank, espcially in a hand such as that questioning how they play. Generally I try to not initiate a conversation with someone I have just beaten in a big pot, through either a suckout or being outplayed etc... If they say nh, just say thanks, if they question how you played the hand, just say something along the lines of felt lucky or whatever. Its usually pretty bad to talk strategy at the table, as the fish will feel awkward and some people will figure out that there is a lot of skill in the game, which is bad. Questioning his rationale behind the hand is pretty bad....
Click to expand...

Yea fair call, most of the conversation was just before the flop. Its an awkward feeling talking to someone after winning a big pot. I find it hard to talk with them or look them in the eye. I also find it hard to look someone in the eye after they have folded to a bluff. I really do feel guilty and if you ever play me you'll know that now that i said it. I always lie when they ask me about my hand, to make them feel better.

ashley12 said:
22 would generally have the same chance (about 18%) as QQ against KK. However, what you are doing wrong is putting someone on one specific hand after not much action... Fact i, its impossible to put someone on a specific hand preflop usually at 2/3. Thats where the difference between 22 and QQ comes out, becuase it isnt always KK, sometimes its AQ, AJ or JJ, where QQ and 22 have different chances.
Click to expand...

But would you put me on AK, AQ, AJ if I raised then re-raised your big raise? I dont know but it's bloody obvious you have a massive pocket pair.
I was in exact position at crown last month. I raise to $30 with QQ LP, I get re-rasied to $60 by UTG. i Just call the $60 knowing he has KK or AA or AK. If I had re-rasied his raise then that would be basically shoving on the flop regardless of what happens. The stupid thing I did is this guy had mercy on me and shoved before the third flop card fell. There was a King on the flop. I thought for a bit and AA was written all over his face. It cost me another $100 and he had it AA. I was so angry with myself-this guy told me "I am strong and I am betting at whatever hits". I had my chance to fold and build up again. Instead I call, go on tilt re-buy and play some silly moves afterwards.

ashley12 said:
Smart players who play against you regularly will realise if you bluff only in late position. Also, thinks such as flop texture, who you are up against, and how much both yourself and your opponent have behind are generally more important then acting last, because to a good player, a bet when checked to is less likely to be a strong hand then someone leading into 4 people....
Click to expand...

Yes fair point, It's a lot higher risk though betting infront of four players, because three will in most cases fold, which leaves that one person which has what your representing a lot of the time. Unfortunately I find it hard to check for my own good which I need to change a bit.

ashley12 said:
I dont like how you played this hand. What did you think he had on that board to call you twice, then raise the river. This is a turbo fold on the end, I would have checked the turn probably then folded to a bet. Bet of 25 was pretty bad at the end. A 9 just cold calls, and the only hand that raises in an ace. Also, you said you knew he had it. Trust your instincts more IMO, if you think he has it, dont pay $50 to find out...
Click to expand...
I know bad bad play. Some pots just aren't worth getting involved with from the begining.
 
paxmaniac said:
A> That's fine if the guy has played with you enough to know that your small bets are often strong. I suspect that wasn't the case here.

B> Hoping for a re-raise so you can fold is a very poor way to play a hand. Suppose I was your opponent, holding a small pocket pair on the button, or maybe even worse than that. I will often call your $10 flop bet as a 'float', to see how you act on the turn. The $10 turn bet looks very weak, and I would raise it in position with many hands worse than trip aces. On the other hand, if I have a weak ace I'd probably just call and hope you fire again (because if I raise and you call you probably have me out kicked).
Click to expand...

My weakness is I don't check enough. The pot was pretty small at that stage and in hindsight was not worth getting involved with.
Bad bad play as you have illustrated.
 
Royal Flush said:
My weakness is I don't check enough. The pot was pretty small at that stage and in hindsight was not worth getting involved with.
Click to expand...

Pot control is really important. Many hands which are decent but not great require you to slow down on at least one street. Otherwise you run the risk of turning it into a bluff or hoping your opponent is.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Other Australasian casinos (not Crown or Burswood)

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top