Oppo Camp Other Games Rolling Thread (2023)

[sr36]

The whole review system is stupid. Take that Cameron oob goal. If that kick was close to IQs fingers they'll freeze frame roll it back and forth to see if it brushed his fingers. Yet they can't review whether he was 3 metres out of bounds. Or if the brush of the fingers was from a kick that was marked in the goal square - not able to review. Or whether a free kick is a load of rubbish or one was missed that should have been paid. Just get rid of the reviews.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

The whole review system is stupid. Take that Cameron oob goal. If that kick was close to IQs fingers they'll freeze frame roll it back and forth to see if it brushed his fingers. Yet they can't review whether he was 3 metres out of bounds. Or if the brush of the fingers was from a kick that was marked in the goal square - not able to review. Or whether a free kick is a load of rubbish or one was missed that should have been paid. Just get rid of the reviews.

I think all soft calls should be called a goal, we’re taking about going back through grainy imagery and video to see if a ball scraped a fingernail, I’m more than happy for those instances to be called goals and then find a definitive touch if at all.

 

[eyeroller]

This non-goal fiasco has turned into a debacle which has turned into a farce

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Gonna be fun watching blokes like Jake Stringer

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Jake Stringer

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30

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192cm

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92kg

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12.9

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.8

5star

D

8.5

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.5

1star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

4star

G

2.5

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

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2.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

kick them from the boundary next week after what they put out last night.

 

[caloschwaby]

If Giants beat the Blues next week are they most likely to play them again in the Elim? Could be a funny straight exit if true

 

[sr36]

This non-goal fiasco has turned into a debacle which has turned into a farce

And then on to a shitshow.

 

[slugger01]

Or just get rid of this dumb "quirk" of our game and make it like every other sport where it doesn't matter if the ball hits the post as long as it crosses the goal line. If it hits the post and stays in, play on. The amount of bullshit and unfairness that could be spared just by this simple fix far outweighs the cries from traditionalist to keep this original aspect of our game.

It's much easier for the cameras to be able to determine the trajectory of the ball as it sails over the post (see Lynch 2022). On the very rare occasion that this did occur, the AFL just need to have a hard and fast rule on it. Scrap the umpire's call and make it either indeterminate = goal or indeterminate= behind. Though, the amount of times that this rule would have to be used would be so rare compared to other game defining rules.

Yeah, that is probably how it would work. I don't mind it becoming a goal if it is through off the post. Not a fan of the continuance of play if it rebounds into the field though, think it's too messy.

Yeah, you could just make it over the line is a goal, back into play is a behind

Yeah, let's change the rules to cover for incompetence.... Tail wagging the dog.
That is not the answer. The current rules are what makes our game so great, and different to all other sports.

The answer is to make the correct decisions and adopt the technology that other sports use to assist. Microchips in balls, Cricket's review system with snicko and ball tracking, Tennis's computer line decisions, Motor sports super slow motion video, etc. There is plenty. Just costs money.
We are a billion dollar sport, and don't use anything more that a Super-8 camera for videos, and a reel-to-reel tape recorder for noise capture.
Get better AFL!!
I don't want Collingwood to lose a another GF now that we have the technology..


(....goes away and curls up in the corner of the room trembling....Wayne Harmes, Rocca..)

 

[manicpie]

And then on to a shitshow.

beat me to it

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

 

[sr36]

beat me to it

We're both a bit early it doesn't officially becomes a shitshow until the AFL statement drops.

Edit: AFLs lack of spin may have kept it at debacle proportions

 

[76woodenspooners]

He's what, 1 or 2 weeks into retirement? People are cooked

He played yesterday, so his retirement (*) would have been measured in hours.

* Wouldn‘t actually have technically retired yet, IIRC players are contracted until 31 Oct, or maybe sooner if papers are signed which probably wouldn’t have happened yet.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

What a pathetic response from Gil.

 

[sr36]

He played yesterday, so his retirement (*) would have been measured in hours.

* Wouldn‘t actually have technically retired yet, IIRC players are contracted until 31 Oct, or maybe sooner if papers are signed which probably wouldn’t have happened yet.

Fair enough to king hit him then. Still fair game.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Can’t imagine that the bookies and the punters would be happy.

 

[sr36]

What a pathetic response from Gil.

I thought it was good. At least he didn't spin it. Accepted error and apologized. What else could he do?

 

[sr36]

Can’t imagine that the bookies and the punters would be happy.

Some would be stoked.

 

[76woodenspooners]

If it's blatantly wrong like last night's, I'm sure the momentary outrage from the opponents would be worth it (before they quickly realise they got a freebie).

It would work like this:

1. Keys kicks the "goal", umpire makes mistake and signals behind as Sydney prepare to kick out.
2. AFL ARC the moment they realise this ball is going close to the post will initiate their 1 minute review window and get replays up ASAP. (alerting field umpire via in-ear but advising them to continue with play). If they miss this 1 minute window, the play stands as the review was likely inconclusive.
3. Sydney begin kick out and take a mark off half back while ARC is reviewing. Sydney chip it fast to the middle of the wing
4. Meanwhile ARC buzz the field umpire to stop play as their review concludes it was a goal, umpire explains and the best replay is shown on screen/TV immediately so people know what's going on.
5. Umpire announces its a ball up in the middle with time reset. If its a behind instead of a goal, time reset and ball is taken back to kick out.

I'd also like to add that maybe this feature of ARC could be limited to the 4th quarter, as particularly this is where howlers truly "decide" the game.

And what happens if there were interchanges made during that phantom minute while the ARC was doing its thing? The bench steward would have to reverse those.

There’s nothing in our game that allows for the game clock to be reloaded (only stopped and started) and it’d open a can of worms to muck around with it.

 

[slugger01]

The whole review system is stupid. Take that Cameron oob goal. If that kick was close to IQs fingers they'll freeze frame roll it back and forth to see if it brushed his fingers. Yet they can't review whether he was 3 metres out of bounds. Or if the brush of the fingers was from a kick that was marked in the goal square - not able to review. Or whether a free kick is a load of rubbish or one was missed that should have been paid. Just get rid of the reviews.

It's because they use standard video.
Watch F1. They have video that runs at (?/ i don't know, 1,000,000,000 frames per second ??)and when they show it in slow motion, you can see the guts coming out of a mosquito when it gets hit by the wing.

If they used this, you would be able to capture the players finger-prints, let alone whether the fingers bent or whether the ball deviated. No need to go back and forth...

We have the technology. AFL just don't want to spend. And it causes issues like this, and is embarrassing.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

I thought it was good. At least he didn't spin it. Accepted error and apologized. What else could he do?

Yeah tbh not sure what I would expect, he can’t exactly do much. Seems like a no win situation. If nothing else it will bring about some form of rule change no doubt.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

How would that work?

Given that the goal umpire didn’t call for a review, it meant that it was a kickout with a minute left on the clock.

Does the ARC call the field umpire in the middle of play (or even after the final siren) and say “Hey, stop the game” (or even “restart the game”), “we’ve reviewed that previous Adelaide point and found it was a goal.” Take the ball to the center and we’ll contact the timekeeper to set the game clock back to XX:YY”?

We’ve been told they review every shot regardless

It should have been called back and reversed

 

[sr36]

It's because they use standard video.
Watch F1. They have video that runs at (?/ i don't know, 1,000,000,000 frames per second ??)and when they show it in slow motion, you can see the guts coming out of a mosquito when it gets hit by the wing.

If they used this, you would be able to capture the players finger-prints, let alone whether the fingers bent or whether the ball deviated. No need to go back and forth...

We have the technology. AFL just don't want to spend. And it causes issues like this, and is embarrassing.

For me it's not so much the certainty in the Review decisions. It's that there has to be a line of when you stop using it and it has to be an arbitrary line. We've had a couple of biggies from goal and boundary umpires, but by far the biggest influence on the game comes from field umpire errors which don't get reviewed except for the specific case of whether or not a ball is touched 30 metres away from the goal line.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Adelaide should sue

This has cost them a finals spot (they play West Coast next week)

Which has massive financial implications for Adelaide

 

[slugger01]

For me it's not so much the certainty in the Review decisions. It's that there has to be a line of when you stop using it and it has to be an arbitrary line. We've had a couple of biggies from goal and boundary umpires, but by far the biggest influence on the game comes from field umpire errors which don't get reviewed except for the specific case of whether or not a ball is touched 30 metres away from the goal line.

Let’s remove the incompetence of the goal and boundary umpires first. We have the technology to do that today. In fact, get rid of them entirely, just like Tennis did.
Then, work on the field umpires. Although my take on them is to make the rules a lot easier to umpire. Right now, there is interpretations allowed. Maybe AI umpires in the future???

 

[sr36]

Let’s remove the incompetence of the goal and boundary umpires first. We have the technology to do that today. In fact, get rid of them entirely, just like Tennis did.
Then, work on the field umpires. Although my take on them is to make the rules a lot easier to umpire. Right now, there is interpretations allowed. Maybe AI umpires in the future???

Just accept the errors - it's not incompetence - they misjudge things. Review systems don't take away controversial calls in any other sport - they just make us expect perfection, thus increasing dissatisfaction when it invariably isn't perfect.

 

[gouki88]

Yeah, let's change the rules to cover for incompetence.... Tail wagging the dog.
That is not the answer. The current rules are what makes our game so great, and different to all other sports.

The answer is to make the correct decisions and adopt the technology that other sports use to assist. Microchips in balls, Cricket's review system with snicko and ball tracking, Tennis's computer line decisions, Motor sports super slow motion video, etc. There is plenty. Just costs money.
We are a billion dollar sport, and don't use anything more that a Super-8 camera for videos, and a reel-to-reel tape recorder for noise capture.
Get better AFL!!
I don't want Collingwood to lose a another GF now that we have the technology..


(....goes away and curls up in the corner of the room trembling....Wayne Harmes, Rocca..)

I tend to lean this way, but I don't know that the AFL would with how much I imagine this will slow the game down.