List Mgmt. Our List 2014 - Trade, De-list and Draft - (keep it all in here)

[Kreuuuzeurns]

To many names are being thrown around! Every year we get talked up as a big player in trade week but nothing gets done. I do expect Docherty to come because we were nominated by him and Laids + a ruck will leave but other than there are 9 other Vic clubs in the exact same position as us. Adams, Shiel, Karnezis, Jacksch, pick 1 etc will al be extremely hard to get. I personally think our clean up is pretty much done.

If only Oscar could just grow up, our problems would be solved!

 

[thylacine60]

To many names are being thrown around! Every year we get talked up as a big player in trade week but nothing gets done. I do expect Docherty to come because we were nominated by him and Laids + a ruck will leave but other than there are 9 other Vic clubs in the exact same position as us. Adams, Shiel, Karnezis, Jacksch, pick 1 etc will al be extremely hard to get. I personally think our clean up is pretty much done.

If only Oscar could just grow up, our problems would be solved!

He'll never grow up if he is continually treated like a child by his parents.

 

[Faz 2000]

I really don't think we should add anyone over about 26... Let alone someone of Pods' vintage. It is not that he can't play... But he's almost done. Why would we do it?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

He'll never grow up if he is continually treated like a child by his parents.

Chris should take him in to train with Buttifant. By the time Auskick starts he should be the most ripped kid in Brighton

 

[Cringle]

I really don't think we should add anyone over about 26... Let alone someone of Pods' vintage. It is not that he can't play... But he's almost done. Why would we do it?

Faz, I'm interested in what you think of Carlton's interest in Tarrant? Would it be the right option, and if so, how much would he cost us? If not what option should we be exploring to help Henderson in the forward line with Waite basically gone.

 

[Dramoth]

I'm going to suggest a name here, and I'm interested to see what others think of the idea.

I'd be asking James Podsiadly if he wants to continue his AFL career into 2014. Pods looks almost certain to become the 3rd victim of Geelong's 'youth policy', but despite his age, he's still dangerous up forward and I think it would be worthwhile bringing him across for a year.

We know he's old, we know he's just about run his race at AFL level but despite that, he showed this year that he's still capable of being a contributor at the highest level. Kicked over 30 goals for the season (despite missing 2 games and being held goal-less in 5 others) and I think he'd be a wise acquisition for next season.

We have Henderson, Waite, Casboult, Rowe and Kreuzer as tall forward options but there are serious question marks over all of them, for various reasons. Henderson is a star but may spend a fair bit of time down back. Waite is a terrific footballer but he far from durable and is better suited to the role of 2nd tall. Casboult and Rowe have shown they can play but neither are consistent AFL forwards, and as good as Kreuzer is he's not a true key forward.

Looking at that group I think it would be absolutely a smart decision to bring Pods across for a season on the cheap, potentially even as a rookie if he was happy to go down that path.

I think that we should consider getting in Pods and Chappy as player coaches and get them to assist some of our guys whose development seems to have gone backwards under the guidance of some of our current crop of coaches.

I reckon that he should be able to work with both Casboult and Rowe and improve their output while acting as the second/third tall to their forward/ruckmen.

It is a viable idea and should be explored a bit more.

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not totally against the idea, but if we were going to speculate, I'd rather we put the effort into Thorp (although JPod would not need as much effort I'm sure). It is an interesting discussion point though...

As an aside, I don't think we've seen the best of Rowe yet. That chemo would really have knocked him about, and I reckon another preseason will do him wonders.

I think I'd much rather Pods to Thorp, despite the age difference.

Podsiadly has shown he's AFL quality and that he's willing to put in the hard yards to be a valuable contributor at AFL level. Despite him seemingly having turned a corner, Thorp still has massive question marks having over his head and I'm a little uneasy about bringing him to the club. There's a real feel-good story there if he comes back to AFL level and forges a career for himself, but the idea only has merit if we're convinced he's committed to doing so. If there's any inkling that he's not going to take his 2nd opportunity seriously, he's not for us. We can't afford it.

Happy to back Rowe in but he's not the answer to our issues. No doubt the chemotherapy would have had a greater impact on him than what many believe, but realistically he's probably only a stop-gap for us, and no certainty to really make it. At least with Pods we know he can produce consistently at the highest level.

Regarding Pods, I'd have to ask what our goal in recruiting him would be. It wouldn't be to teach our up and coming forwards, it wouldn't be to help us chase a flag.

It may fill a hole for a year until we find someone else..

IMO Hendo could be a 50-60 goal a year forward if played there permanently. I'd be more inclined to chase a backman to fill his position. I heard Stakers name mentioned and he could be that guy.

I don't know. Just throwing him out there as a name likely to be on the scrap heap who I believe can still contribute at AFL level. I'm not completely sold on the idea of bringing Podsiadly in but I do think it has merit.

I think we need to bring in another tall forward but we can be smart about it. We don't have to "sell the farm" for one. We have to be smart and I think we could do a hell of a lot worse than bring in a proven AFL quality footballer to fill that void, or at the very least, provide terrific depth in that position.

We have Waite and Henderson who are our best forwards but as I said, it's beyond that which is the issue. As a 3rd tall (or 2nd if Henderson is down back), Casboult and Rowe are OK but both have glaring deficiencies to his game. Kreuzer is a gun but hasn't shown the ability to play that role well consistently either. The cupboard has a few things different options in it, but nothing special and certainly nothing good enough to definitively suggest we shouldn't look to add to that area.

If we do go down that path we may be able to go for a forward line like this -

HF: Troy Menzel - Lachie Henderson - Chris Yarran
F: Jeff Garlett - James Podsiadly - Jarrad Waite

That's a dangerous forward line on paper. I think it would be worth a shot.

 

[BM123]

Nah... That sucked, but what I really didn't like was the fight scene... And the death scene... and the cups of tea scene... especially that.

Thought they could have amped up the final battle a bit more since the movie followed the book too strictly and didn't take their chance to make the Harry V Voldemort battle a bit more epic.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Reminds me of a funny Three stoogies scene

 

[BM123]

Pods is very capable of dumb brain fades and injury prone old KPF are just going to be wasted unless we get a proper KPF developing. Rather take the punt on Thorp who has far more upside.

 

[BM123]

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[BM123]

I really don't think we should add anyone over about 26... Let alone someone of Pods' vintage. It is not that he can't play... But he's almost done. Why would we do it?

Our list isn't really at that stage where we should start topping up.

 

[Silvagnis]

Podsiadly is cooked.

Why would we re-sign Rowe if he wasn't in the mix next year?

 

[Dramoth]

I think I'd much rather Pods to Thorp, despite the age difference.

Podsiadly has shown he's AFL quality and that he's willing to put in the hard yards to be a valuable contributor at AFL level. Despite him seemingly having turned a corner, Thorp still has massive question marks having over his head and I'm a little uneasy about bringing him to the club. There's a real feel-good story there if he comes back to AFL level and forges a career for himself, but the idea only has merit if we're convinced he's committed to doing so. If there's any inkling that he's not going to take his 2nd opportunity seriously, he's not for us. We can't afford it.

Happy to back Rowe in but he's not the answer to our issues. No doubt the chemotherapy would have had a greater impact on him than what many believe, but realistically he's probably only a stop-gap for us, and no certainty to really make it. At least with Pods we know he can produce consistently at the highest level.

I don't know. Just throwing him out there as a name likely to be on the scrap heap who I believe can still contribute at AFL level. I'm not completely sold on the idea of bringing Podsiadly in but I do think it has merit.

I think we need to bring in another tall forward but we can be smart about it. We don't have to "sell the farm" for one. We have to be smart and I think we could do a hell of a lot worse than bring in a proven AFL quality footballer to fill that void, or at the very least, provide terrific depth in that position.

We have Waite and Henderson who are our best forwards but as I said, it's beyond that which is the issue. As a 3rd tall (or 2nd if Henderson is down back), Casboult and Rowe are OK but both have glaring deficiencies to his game. Kreuzer is a gun but hasn't shown the ability to play that role well consistently either. The cupboard has a few things different options in it, but nothing special and certainly nothing good enough to definitively suggest we shouldn't look to add to that area.

If we do go down that path we may be able to go for a forward line like this -

HF: Troy Menzel - Lachie Henderson - Chris Yarran
F: Jeff Garlett - James Podsiadly - Jarrad Waite

That's a dangerous forward line on paper. I think it would be worth a shot.

What would you think of getting Pods in as a player/coach on a rookie contract?

 

[Faz 2000]

Our list isn't really at that stage where we should start topping up.

Yep, that's what we explain twice a week around here, whether we need to or not.

 

[BM123]

Yep, that's what we explain twice a week around here, whether we need to or not.

Keep hearing about people expecting top four next year so you know.....

 

[Jeremias]

What would you think of getting Pods in as a player/coach on a rookie contract?

I see bringing Podsiadly into the club as a beneficial move for a number of reasons as stated above. On a rookie contract? I'd do it in a heart beat.

It's not a popular opinion and as I suspected it has been met with a fair degree of resistance, which is fair enough. It won't happen but I don't think it is completely without merit.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Not so done deal ?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-queries-big-deal-20131002-2usw5.html

 

[Dramoth]

I see bringing Podsiadly into the club as a beneficial move for a number of reasons as stated above. On a rookie contract? I'd do it in a heart beat.

It's not a popular opinion and as I suspected it has been met with a fair degree of resistance, which is fair enough. It won't happen but I don't think it is completely without merit.

I think that JPod would be a good mentor for Rowe and Casboult to help get the best out of them. If it happens, then he should be on a rookie contract with a coaching rider attached to say that he is actually working for the club as a coach.

Would be a massive win for us if we could swing it... and it would benefit, long term, the two talls I mentioned.

 

[BM123]

Not so done deal ?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-queries-big-deal-20131002-2usw5.html

Well it certainly needs to be modified because its a joke in its current state.

 

[Dramoth]

And for those of you wanting to see Kreuzer traded... check out his review stats and the comments about him...
Stats:

Disposals: 195 (11.5) Marks: 56 (3.3) Tackles: 71 (4.2) Contested Marks: 22 (1.3) Hit Outs: 428 (25.2) Marks Inside 50: 17 (1.0)

THEY SAID IT
"He's (Kreuzer) served his apprenticeship and I think in the next 30-40 games he'll really come into his own.

"If he doesn’t get more serious injuries he could play another 150-200 games. If that happens, he'll just keep getting better and become not only one of the best ruckmen but one of the best players in the competition.

“He can do things that other ruckmen can't. What's underestimated is his ability to do things after he hits the ball. He doesn’t just stand back and let the little fellas fight for the ball; he lays tackles and shepherds and stays in the contest. He certainly imposes himself.” – Former Carlton premiership ruckman Justin Madden, Saturday 27 July.

Sorry... Humphrey is special and should never be considered as trade bait... unless it is for someone like gablett jr in his prime or for Goodes in his prime. preferably both of them together... the last ruckman who I saw do all the things that Humphrey does, led our side to a couple of premierships.

LINK

 

[laminex]

And for those of you wanting to see Kreuzer traded... check out his review stats and the comments about him...
Stats:



Sorry... Humphrey is special and should never be considered as trade bait... unless it is for someone like gablett jr in his prime or for Goodes in his prime. preferably both of them together... the last ruckman who I saw do all the things that Humphrey does, led our side to a couple of premierships.

LINK

Spot on.

 

[El Topo]

I can see where much of the criticism of Kreuz comes from; he definitely hasn't fulfilled his potential to date.

That being said, his injury burden over the past few years has been immense and far too often overlooked. Madden was right on the money with his comments- with a proper pre season there's every chance Kreuz will tear the competition a new one in 2014.

 

[Claypigeon]

I think that JPod would be a good mentor for Rowe and Casboult to help get the best out of them. If it happens, then he should be on a rookie contract with a coaching rider attached to say that he is actually working for the club as a coach.

Would be a massive win for us if we could swing it... and it would benefit, long term, the two talls I mentioned.

This would be perfect I think. .. He was a kicking/forward coach when he first came to Geelong and our forwards could use the help. .. Besides if Waite went down again then it would be handy to have him able to fill in. .. At a minimum it would add a structure to our Northern Blues line up. ..

 

[Sheephead]

I'm going to suggest a name here, and I'm interested to see what others think of the idea.

I'd be asking James Podsiadly if he wants to continue his AFL career into 2014. Pods looks almost certain to become the 3rd victim of Geelong's 'youth policy', but despite his age, he's still dangerous up forward and I think it would be worthwhile bringing him across for a year.

We know he's old, we know he's just about run his race at AFL level but despite that, he showed this year that he's still capable of being a contributor at the highest level. Kicked over 30 goals for the season (despite missing 2 games and being held goal-less in 5 others) and I think he'd be a wise acquisition for next season.

We have Henderson, Waite, Casboult, Rowe and Kreuzer as tall forward options but there are serious question marks over all of them, for various reasons. Henderson is a star but may spend a fair bit of time down back. Waite is a terrific footballer but he far from durable and is better suited to the role of 2nd tall. Casboult and Rowe have shown they can play but neither are consistent AFL forwards, and as good as Kreuzer is he's not a true key forward.

Looking at that group I think it would be absolutely a smart decision to bring Pods across for a season on the cheap, potentially even as a rookie if he was happy to go down that path.

I think this is actually one of the better ideas I've seen. Not exactly going to cost us much either. Pods can play the role we want Casboult and Rowe to play and they could learn from him as we go. He could also teach Levi how to kick. His set up and execution is very good and deliberate. After that he could stay on as a forward developmental coach. I think its a great idea.