Gunder said:If you were relevant, you'd be Victorian, now shut up and do what you are supposed to, make up the numbers for the superpowers of the league to chew up and spit out
dude don't I own you?
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Gunder said:If you were relevant, you'd be Victorian, now shut up and do what you are supposed to, make up the numbers for the superpowers of the league to chew up and spit out
We are talking about the entire history of the competition, anyone can dominate for a couple of years, even a decade now and then, but nobody has done what we didLeapingBenHarper said:So in years to come Port will go down as the best team in the last 3 years ?? Just trying to work out your lack of logic.....
Dude, you dont even own a carCrow-mosone said:dude don't I own you?
Gunder said:We are talking about the entire history of the competition, anyone can dominate for a couple of years, even a decade now and then, but nobody has done what we did
You said winning right?LeapingBenHarper said:Lost the plot here. No telling 'know-it-alls' I guess..... Will say it again, nobody remembers who finishes on top or who plays in a GF, it's all about WINNING. Something that Collingwood haven't been too good at over the last 50 years.
Gunder said:Dude, you dont even own a car
I think you have more houses than brain cellsCrow-mosone said:ha ha ha. I only own 1 car, but I have more houses than fingers.
I wonder what makes Collingwood so unsuccessful? a lack of success or the poor quality of it's supporters.
do you think Eddie and Mick look at supporters like you, and wonder where it all went wrong?
More importantly do you think Eddie and Mick agree with you that your first 50yrs are more important than the last.
if they don't, and we all know they don't, who do you actually speak for?
'Pies supporters in a timewarp'
Crow-mosone said:ha ha ha. I only own 1 car, but I have more houses than fingers.
I wonder what makes Collingwood so unsuccessful? a lack of success or the poor quality of it's supporters.
do you think Eddie and Mick look at supporters like you, and wonder where it all went wrong?
More importantly do you think Eddie and Mick agree with you that your first 50yrs are more important than the last.
if they don't, and we all know they don't, who do you actually speak for?
'Pies supporters in a timewarp'
Salt of the earth and good for a laugh.... I cant think of an opposition cheer squad leader anyone else would know by name.... see?.... more evidence of who is the biggest.... you walked into that oneLeapingBenHarper said:They do have Joffa heading up their cheer squad.... The best club in the league could surely do better than that couldn't they.
Gunder said:You said winning right?
Collingwood 1338 Carlscum 1314 Essenscum 1246
Headed the premiership table for half a century more than both those teams.... NUMBER 1LeapingBenHarper said:Who cares! Carlton & Essendon 16 flags, Collingwood 14. Just means you have a lower level of success when you have won more games but less flags....
Once again, talking about the entire history of the competition, I'm not being selective.tomatoes said:So Port Adelaide and Collingwood have been the greatest clubs for the last 4 years because of their games won and crowd drawing ability?
Gunder said:Headed the premiership table for half a century more than both those teams.... NUMBER 1
James said:Carlton has won the most grand finals!
Carlton 16 grandfinal wins
Essendon 14 grand final wins (2 of their premierships were awarded to them for finishing the season as minor premiers. as there were no finals series for those two years) still, 16 premierships overall.
So Carlton by TKO
You beat me to it.Dan26 said:Wrong.
Essendon won premierships without a Grand Final being played in 1897 and 1924, but on both occasions there WAS a finals series. The top 4 teams all played themsevles once each over the three week finals series and the team that headed the "finals ladder" was premiers.
Essendon won the premiership on both occasions.
Dan26 said:Wrong.
Essendon won premierships without a Grand Final being played in 1897 and 1924, but on both occasions there WAS a finals series. The top 4 teams all played themsevles once each over the three week finals series and the team that headed the "finals ladder" was premiers.
Essendon won the premiership on both occasions.
Dan26 said:Gunder,
Who has performed better? The marathon runner who led most of the way but was beaten in the last 500 meteres? Or the eventual winner, who trailed most of the way, but won with a blistering finish?
It doesn't matter that Collingwood led the premiership count for "most" of the VFL-AFL's 107 years. Just like it doesn't matter that a 2nd placed marathon runner led for most of the way. At the end of the day, that marathon runner came second, and after 107 years of competition Essendon is ahead of Collingwood 16 to 14.
Want some alternate opinions on why essendion is the greatest club?
* We have won the most premierships.
* We have won the most finals games (you said Collingwood did, but you were WRONG. Essendon has won 69 VFL-AFL finals games. A record)
* Essendon's 16 flags have come in 106 years of competition (we didn't compete in 1916-17), while Carlton has taken all 108 years to win their 16. So we have a better strike rate.
* Essendon have the most supporters and virtually all recent surveys back this up, the most recent being the Herald-Sun footy fans survey, and of course the famous Morgan poll, putting us at 797,000 fans Australia wide, compared to Collingwood's 642,000.
* Essendon holds the all-time attendance record for a H&A season (set in 1998 when we finished 8th) and the all-time record for a full season, finals included (2000)
* Essendon has never had a premiership drought longer than 19 years. Ever.
Collingwood, also have a few things going for them, the most pertinent being their 39 Grand Finals and 74 years in the finals, but apart from that, you don't lead any other major statistical category. Even Carlton shade you on head-to-head wins.
chooke said:I presume this thread is about the VFL...The claimed amount of flags for these clubs is a bit flattering at the AFL level. Brisbane is by far and away the most successful club and if flags are the sole criteria this is followed by the Crows.