Coaching Staff Past Coach: Matthew Knights - Finally gets his second shot - 5/5

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Re: Are we ready to sack Knights?

canteencritic said:
knights just doesnt take on any responsibility for terrible performances:

losses against

fremantle
west coast
collingwood
geelong
adelaide

those performances are totally un essendon like and there has been no acknowledgment of this fact by any one senior within the essendon coaching staff
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Yep. Glad someone put them in a list like that. There's no accountability (visibly) from Knights for those performances. He doesn't come out and apologise and tell us how he's going to fix it. These games have to stop or we need someone else.
 

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Re: Mark Williams mark II

If Mark Williams can't spark a young Port Adelaide group, and loses 8 in a row before his eventful sacking, what makes you think he'll do any different at Essendon?

If he's that good because of 1 premiership in a different style game, why haven't Port held onto him? Simple, because they're smart enough to realize that his time is over. And we should be too.

Hey, you know what? Let's get Sheedy! He has credentials! :rolleyes:

FFS, Knights will create his own credentials soon enough.
 
Re: Mark Williams mark II

It all depends on how the teams goes for the rest of the year and what are the KPIs Knights must meet. My main issue with Knights is the lack of or very slow development of the majority our young players including:

Myers - Needs to understand what we are doing with him
Houli - Gone backwards since his exciting first season
Prismall - Has been very ordinary
Neagle - Hasnt improved at all
Jetta - Apart from the last month his best season was his first
Lonergan - Gone backwards since his breakout year
Dempsey - obvioulsy had some injuries but has been patchy
Reimers - Again had his fair share of injuries but still no closer to understanding whether he is going to be a player

Maybe I am being harsh and maybe they are patchy because there young but the majortiy of these players seemed to have stagnated or in some cases gone backwards. Choco has shown that he can develop a young talented list and he has won finals including the big one. You dont forget how to coachg and apart from the last two seasons he has shown he can coach in todays tactical landscape.
 
Re: Mark Williams mark II

Call Me Cake said:
If Mark Williams can't spark a young Port Adelaide group, and loses 8 in a row before his eventful sacking, what makes you think he'll do any different at Essendon?

If he's that good because of 1 premiership in a different style game, why haven't Port held onto him? Simple, because they're smart enough to realize that his time is over. And we should be too.

Hey, you know what? Let's get Sheedy! He has credentials! :rolleyes:

FFS, Knights will create his own credentials soon enough.
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We moved Sheedy on because he had been at the club 27 years and you know that. There is a time to move on.

As for Knights creating his own credentials you're dreaming. What year will that be 2525?

Mark Williams is in need of a change of environment after having also 11 years at the one club. It will happen to Bomber at Geelong too. If he starts losing matches which is BOUND to happen (they can't continue they way they are now) I'd have him home in a heartbeat.

Will you still be waiting for Knights to deliver then?
 
Re: Matthew Knights; A question on a game

****, what a shit thread.

if we lost to Melbourne we shouldn't be calling for his head, because it means that the team our players weren't good enough to beat Melbourne, not the coach.

He's chosen a very convincing team and I don't see us losing.

People need to stop trying to get Knights out of the picture. At the moment it isn't his coaching that is letting us down.
 
Re: Mark Williams mark II

Call Me Cake said:
If Mark Williams can't spark a young Port Adelaide group, and loses 8 in a row before his eventful sacking, what makes you think he'll do any different at Essendon?
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well can apply that logic to the current situation - if knights cant get a young essendon up for anzac day or a must win effort in adelaide, what makes you think he can do any more with this group than he already has?

hope the season turns around over the next few weeks, but its getting increasingly obvious there is deep seated problems with current setup
 
Re: Mark Williams mark II

Call Me Cake said:
If he's that good because of 1 premiership in a different style game, why haven't Port held onto him? Simple, because they're smart enough to realize that his time is over. And we should be too.
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Far out dude. How would you know? Williams will have high profile offers rolling in soon enough because he is regarded as one of the best coaches in the country from those within the industry. In other words, people that have a clue about coaching, ie not you, know that he is a terrific coach with a lot to offer.
 
Re: Mark Williams mark II

I'd like to see Williams back at Essendon in some capacity. Not sure whether it should be as head coach but maybe as an assistant similar to how Neale Daniher goes about it.
 
Essendon board; make your choice.

Whilst I don't know it as fact, the lore suggests that at the end of 2007, the coaching position for the most successful club in this leagues history came down to a choice between Matthew Knights and Damian Hardwick.

In their arrogance this board selected (as is common belief) the man that said the existing team could be tweaked. Not the man who said a rebuild was required.

Like most of us, I have a circle of footy mates that critique the game.

I remember at the time saying that Knights was the wrong decision.

LOOK at the passion Hardwick is putting into Richmond. These 18 and 19 year old kids believe they can beat anyone.

I am so, so dissapointed in our board (of the time).

We got the wrong guy. I am sick and tired of the Essendon board, and coaching panel, rejecting the will of the fans.

It's not right, and it's costing us our culture.
 

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Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

**** I'm sick of this myth.

It was not a simple matter of Hardwick saying the list needed work, Knights saying it needed tweaking. That is SUCH bullshit.

It was a complex, long process. At the end of the day there were two candidates neck and neck. One blitzed his final interview, the other botched it.

Who the **** do you think they'd choose that being the case?

It's particularly annoying to hear this kind of thing just because Richmond have won a few games. Hardwick may well turn out to be a wonderful coach, and is looking the goods, but making these calls based on myths & a month of footy is just stupid imo. Essendon have shown spirit at times too, beating big teams.

I'm so sick of people making definitive calls on short term scenario's.

As for "rejecting the will of the fans"... **** me you can't be serious. Maybe we should get rid of the board who know the club, & make all decisions via internet poll?
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

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Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

Lance Uppercut said:
**** I'm sick of this myth.
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Lance, MASSIVELY respect your opinion.

Did you not want Hardwick at the time?

I have to admit I was absolutely gutted when we chose Knights.

I'm not trying to treat Richmond's wins as PROOF, but god damn you can SEE Hardwicks influence of passion and fight in that side - we don't have that.
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

There's problems from top to bottom at that club at the moment. One thing that highlighted that for me, was when your Chairman came out and said that Matty Knights has got KPI's in his contract. Then when Matthew was asked that question in a press conference later that week, he categorically and emphatically denied that he does have KPIs in his contract.

One of those blokes was either lying to the Essendon members and fans, or has no idea what is stipulated in Matty's contract. Not good anyway you look at it, plain or simple.

I think there is increasing pressure on Knights, though the only way he will get sacked is if you guys fail to win another match all year. Otherwise, he will be given one more year at the club to prove to the Board, the direction he is taking is the right one I would think.
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

Ok, I wanted Dimma as much as anyone and was disappointed that we chose Knights, but I thought something was obviously seen by the selection committee to appoint Knights so I'd give him a go.

Most of you may already know my current feelings on Knights, but we weren't the only ones to pass on Hardwick. The Demons thought in a few years he would be a good coach but wasn't mature enough at the time. Maybe this was apart of the reason we chose Knights.

We're not privy to the discussions going on and how these meetings went down. Knights clearly had something about him that stuck out as a potential coach and I accept that. It's up for debate now if we made the correct decision or not, but I will give Knights a chance until the day he isn't at our club.
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

jade_00 said:
Lance, MASSIVELY respect your opinion.

Did you not want Hardwick at the time?

I have to admit I was absolutely gutted when we chose Knights.

I'm not trying to treat Richmond's wins as PROOF, but god damn you can SEE Hardwicks influence of passion and fight in that side - we don't have that.
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yeah I wanted Hardwick. But I understand there was a process followed. Maybe they made the right decision. But they made the decision based on the results of the process. You and I aren't in the inner sanctum, we can't know everything there is to know.

Like it or not, Hardwick ****ed his final interview. We HAVE shown spirit, but like all young teams, we've been inconsistent - like Richmond will be. Right now we're looking shit & Richmond are looking shit; a month ago it was the opposite. In a month it might be different again.

Without the stunning form of Jack Riewoldt, Richmond may have won none of those games. Is that purely Hardwick?

I wish Hardwick all the best, and rate him highly. I support our coach, but I acknowledge the problems we've had.

Sorry mate, but it's a knee-jerk thread IMO. Richmond turned over a huge amount of players, they are far from being a finals threat, and who knows if they will become that?

I just believe in taking a long term view. Footy fans seem to live in the moment, and that's not how long term decisions are made
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

Lance Uppercut said:
It was not a simple matter of Hardwick saying the list needed work, Knights saying it needed tweaking. That is SUCH bullshit.

It was a complex, long process. At the end of the day there were two candidates neck and neck. One blitzed his final interview, the other botched it.
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Hi Lance,

Quite true. One of the main reasons he botched it though, was due to the fact Hawthorn wouldn't let him take his laptop with him the night before the final interview. Hardwicks laptop had a lot of information about the Hawthorn footy club and their gamplans, but also had his final presentation for the Essendon job on the laptop.

I really think that Essendon will need to win 13+ games next year, or show some significant improvement for Matty to get re-signed. Will be interesting to see what happens...
 
Re: Essendon board; make your choice.

HyperAgressiveDonk said:
Hi Lance,

Quite true. One of the main reasons he botched it though, was due to the fact Hawthorn wouldn't let him take his laptop with him the night before the final interview. Hardwicks laptop had a lot of information about the Hawthorn footy club and their gamplans, but also had his final presentation for the Essendon job on the laptop.

I really think that Essendon will need to win 13+ games next year or show some significant improvement for Matty to get re-signed. Will be interesting to see what happens!!
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agree with all of that Hypes, but what do you do? You can only make a decision based on the process you follow, can't you?
 

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