Coaching Staff Past Coach: Matthew Knights - Finally gets his second shot - 5/5

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Menza said:
Knights and Sheedy : Both Richmond to Essendon - OMEN

Well done Mathew Knights , foresight and an apparent belief in the player group to produce results soon, got him the job.
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Yes true BUT one from a successful era........and one from a shamozal era !!
 
Let me make an important point.


There seems to be this belief that you need to have been involved in a successful club or been exposed to a club with success, to be a successful AFL coach.

The only reason most AFL coaches played in successful sides is because those type of players (i.e the successful ones) are the ones who get the opportunity.

The potental great coaches who play in unsuccessful sides simply don't get the opportunity. If Kevin Sheedy never played in a flag in his playing days, he'd still be exactly the same person with the same mind and the same ideology. It wouldn't be his fault if he played in crap teams. He'd still be the same player with the same ability, but he may never have received the opportunity.

Most unsuccessful players simply don't get the opportunity, even though many of them are just as likely to be a successful coach as a player who experienced success.

I'd pay more attention to his ideology (which, from what i've heard, I like), than his on-field success with Richmond. It's not is fault Richmond were crap.
 
Merv Neagle said:
Do you think he might also have learned a fair bit since then?

No offense, but coaching record as in wins/losses isn't always the best judge of a coach
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Well then what the hell to you coach for ....to lose !!!! I think NOT

Of course its for wins = Sheedy 63 % winning record. Graham Gellie 10 % winning records. Both ripping blokes but whose the better coach .....
 
northcote_cowboy said:
I hope Matty Knights becomes a Premiership Coach for Essendon in the next 5 years! I would have preferred that Sheedy stay an extra year (or two) and we nab Choco as soon as he was free.
At this stage Knights is known as a good footballer; but doesn't have the media profile to be recognised as an elite coach. Over time his profile should develop.
My only issue with the clubs decision is that Jacko and Ray Horshut I means "Horsburgh" stated publicly that the next coach needed to have been exposed to a culture of success (ie premierships). Premierships are foreign to Knights. Further being an ex-Tiger of the 90's most of his coaches were duds. Hence I hope he has learnt alot from Sheeds in the last three years!
In my opinion a 32yo Sheeds is better qualified than a 36 yo Knights as Sheeds played in several premierships and played for one of the greatest coaches of all time, Mr T Hafey.
Finally I do hope Knights does well. I like him. But if he doesn't I'd rather that Ray Horshu, I mean "Horsburgh" leaves the club as gracefully as Sheeds did.
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Now thats what I call a great newbie post:thumbsu:
 
Zio Cich said:
Well then what the hell to you coach for ....to lose !!!! I think NOT

Of course its for wins = Sheedy 63 % winning record. Graham Gellie 10 % winning records. Both ripping blokes but whose the better coach .....
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The thing I don't like about this site is the number of people who post who are unable to comprehend other people's posts. They take things on face value, and are unable to understand any deeper meaning or slightly abstract way of looking at situation. Everything is black and white. A coach loses a match= coach is horrible. Coach wins= best coach going around. First year player doesn't kick 5 goals a game= not showing much. First year player makes a couple of good takles= going to be amazing, bets player ever.

In short, these posters act like 12 year olds. I suppose it's unsurprising as most of these people are 12 year olds. Either that or they struggled to graduate from high school.
 
Zio Cich said:
Well then what the hell to you coach for ....to lose !!!! I think NOT

Of course its for wins = Sheedy 63 % winning record. Graham Gellie 10 % winning records. Both ripping blokes but whose the better coach .....
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I suggest you go back to my post and see what i actually said, not what you think i said.
 
Dan26 said:
Let me make an important point.


There seems to be this belief that you need to have been involved in a successful club or been exposed to a club with success, to be a successful AFL coach.

The only reason most AFL coaches played in successful sides is because those type of players (i.e the successful ones) are the ones who get the opportunity.

The potental great coaches who play in unsuccessful sides simply don't get the opportunity. If Kevin Sheedy never played in a flag in his playing days, he'd still be exactly the same person with the same mind and the same ideology. It wouldn't be his fault if he played in crap teams. He'd still be the same player with the same ability, but he may never have received the opportunity.

Most unsuccessful players simply don't get the opportunity, even though many of them are just as likely to be a successful coach as a player who experienced success.

I'd pay more attention to his ideology (which, from what i've heard, I like), than his on-field success with Richmond. It's not is fault Richmond were crap.
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Exactly...Paul Roos, Mark Williams and Alistair Clarkson never played in premiership teams....but they all seem to be making a pretty good fist of being senior coaches!!

Meanwhile Rodney Eade and Terry Wallace played in Premierships and have not been able to get a Premiership between them in the 10+ years they've been coaching.
 
just wondering if any one watched the footy show tonight they said something about his selection and why they choose him over hardwick but didnt hear it properly can anyone please explain more.....?

ohh by the way i like the knights appointment, give him a go!
 
Lyon (who doesn't have a clue) said they chose him over Dimma because Knights said we could make the finals. However, watching the press conference, PJ basically says we're going to get rid of over 28s and replace them with draftees so we build for 3-5 years, so Lyons comments don't make sense.
 

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Ealesy said:
Exactly...Paul Roos, Mark Williams and Alistair Clarkson never played in premiership teams....but they all seem to be making a pretty good fist of being senior coaches!!

Meanwhile Rodney Eade and Terry Wallace played in Premierships and have not been able to get a Premiership between them in the 10+ years they've been coaching.
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Its about culture. Mark Williams happens to have a Father named Fos.

He happened to have a coach named Kevin Sheedy, that passed down some stuff.

Ok.........i'll give Matthew Knights a go. He went through the Port Adelaide system. So he must have something.

Essendon didnt chose him for no reason.

Ok, relax guys. There must be something about him. The more i think about it, the more i'm at ease. Lets see how he goes.
 
Merv Neagle said:
Do you think he might also have learned a fair bit since then?

No offense, but coaching record as in wins/losses isn't always the best judge of a coach
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He may well have, I do not know

My comment was all about his time as the Port Magpies coach, where he was a dismal failure
 
Congrats to Matty Knights he was a great servant to the RFC. Hope he can finally have some success.

By the way the only reason Port fans dnt like Matty Knights is because he butted heads with some of the people at the club because he didnt play thier favourites and people got upset...

P.S. And i dont think that his kids barrack for Essendon whoever posted that as he played almost 300 games for Richmond... so any logical person would assume his kids would barrack for the team he played for...:eek:
 
Smyth94 said:
Didak, Thomas, Pendlebury, Goldsack, Davis, Cloke, Maxwell and Clarke just to name a few are just so poor arn't they...
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but we have a poor list! Our list is just as poor as Essendon's, its got to do with the coach. Matthew Knights is a dud coach and you'll be down the ladder for a few years yet.

LOL as he debates how muh better Collingwood's list is. :)
 
The Dustbin said:
FFS can everybody take a deep breath and relax. :cool:

Give Knights a chance, the board have gone through a process and Knights impressed more then the other candidates. Lloyd and the rest of the team are very happy with the decision, that's the most important thing.

Please stop the crap about Knights football background where the team he played for was unsuccessfull, not him as a player. As a player he was a fantastic leader who racked up plenty of individual honors. As a person he is also highly impressive.

Have a look at Dean Bailey, Big Gay Al Clarkson, Ross Lyon, Neil Craig. Apart from Craig who never played VFL/AFL Knights has far better credentials then the four I have mentioned.



Knighter you have my blessing. Good luck, don't let me and the EFC down.

:thumbsu:
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Well said.

Sheedy as new coach was out of left field, Many coaches come in with little achieved success of their own and perform. Essendon obviously had 3 years to assess his qualities as coach, and therefore their decision would seem to be based on his known leadership and tactical skills. Also, remember, now days the senior coach is amongst a large contingent of coaches. If we get a good mix of assistant coaches this will be invigorating and exciting.
 
eastaugh36 said:
No I'm not. How much clearer do I have to make it - I wouldn't have had him as our first choice, just like many other Essendon fans. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It doesnt mean I hope he fails. I will be behind him as much as I was Sheeds and anyone else given the job.
If I'm proven wrong then good, it will mean we are successful. If not then unfortunately I was right.
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I see now. He's not your first choice, so if he fails, you will have been proven right. Sounds very limp to me.

Enjoy your "I told you so" if it ever happens. :thumbsdown:
 
Hey guys, I was a little confused when Knighter was given the role and a little annoyed because I wanted him back at Richmond. There is a sense of history repeating itself here and you'd hope it happens ;)

I came to your board because something said on the footy show last night would have really worried me if I were an Essendon supporter. Maybe since I can't find a thread on it then you don't mind. But basically they said it was Hardwick's job to lose and then apparently he said Essendon needed to go down a Hawthorn-like rebuild for a couple of years if they want to be successful again.

Obviously Knights said he expected some form of success next year.

As a Richmond supporter who has seen his share of short-term plans bypassing the proper longer term plans I'm wondering what your opinion is. Do you need a rebuild while the youngsters develop or can you do a Port Adelaide style resurgence? I believe the appointment of Knighter says the Essendon board chose a coach planning for a Port style resurgence.
 
The Dustbin said:
Have a look at Dean Bailey, Big Gay Al Clarkson, Ross Lyon, Neil Craig. Apart from Craig who never played VFL/AFL Knights has far better credentials then the four I have mentioned.
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Coached Centrals to a SANFL premiership.
Assistant Coach of an AFL premiership side while at Port.
Coach of Werribee in the VFL.
Assitant Coach at St Kilda.

Yes, Knights comes in with far better credentials. :rolleyes:
 

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