Pat Cummins

[Hellgood]

He'll be back

IMO this is looking at the situation through very rose tinted glasses. The rehabilitation stategy with Cummins surely has to be changed up as it is pretty worrying that a young bloke has already broken down on more than one occasion after a hefty lay-off. I have no idea what the solution is, but I sure hope they won't rush him back straight into the ODI/T20 sides as they've done twice already. Maybe drastic, but try something like not bowling for a couple of years and then seeing where his body is at after that. Can't be good for him both mentally and physically to keep going through these long recoveries with a short return before the next serious injury inevitably hits.

Is an incredibly tough call for a young bloke to completely give up a year or two of his career - especially at such a young age after a bright start, but might be just the thing he needs.

 

[AM]

There's a piece in The Age today by sports medico Peter Brukner on the issue of our fast bowlers and recurring back problems.

http://is.gd/2qw9zG

 

[Doodlesweaver]

IMO this is looking at the situation through very rose tinted glasses. The rehabilitation stategy with Cummins surely has to be changed up as it is pretty worrying that a young bloke has already broken down on more than one occasion after a hefty lay-off. I have no idea what the solution is, but I sure hope they won't rush him back straight into the ODI/T20 sides as they've done twice already. Maybe drastic, but try something like not bowling for a couple of years and then seeing where his body is at after that. Can't be good for him both mentally and physically to keep going through these long recoveries with a short return before the next serious injury inevitably hits.

Is an incredibly tough call for a young bloke to completely give up a year or two of his career - especially at such a young age after a bright start, but might be just the thing he needs.

Year's layoff with nothng but swimming and pilates. Normal build-up training seems to be getting him nowhere.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

reckon it's related to his action? or is it just one of those things?

Yeah it's his action

You can see above that his bowling hand is in a poor position - across in front of his body. From this position, in order to deliver the ball he has to arch his back and ends up delivering almost 'beyond the perpendicular' with a huge amount of stress going through his lower back.

Coupled with that is that his front leg is heading across his body towards fine leg. So his hips are very side on, his shoulders not so much. A real mixture with lots of twisting and rotation going on which is what causes back injuries.

There is a video here with a slow-mo of his action around the 0:20 mark. Just looking at it makes your lower back hurt.



Getting older, stronger will help him but you'd think he would need some remedial action as well. Try to get his front leg going towards the stumps a bit more, trying not to cross his bowling arm in front of his body, align his hips and shoulders. Whether he can make these changes whilst retaining his pace and other weapons remains to be seen.

He might be able to turn himself into a 'safe' bowler with a more orthodox actions who bowls 120km/hr and plays B Grade.

Jason Gillespie went through a similar problem early in his career and went through a bunch of modifications. He hated them and thought they made him bowl shit. Said to his coaches something like, "Mate, I don't want to be safe. I want to play test cricket for Australia." In the end he pretty much didn't change his action any great degree but did an enormous amount of work on his fitness, core strength, flexibility, managed workloads etc.

 

[chunkylover]

^^^

fantastic post. spot on

 

[damochandler]

great decision to pick him wasn't it. he won't won't play for australia ever again

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

great decision to pick him wasn't it. he won't won't play for australia ever again

If they hadn't picked him maybe he would never have played for Australia at all

 

[The Passenger]

At 20 he has still got a lot of time on his side. Has a pretty stressful action, but I don't think it's well beyond what some other guys have. He rotates hard through the crease but you need that if you want to bowl quick.

They are probably bringing him back a bit too early, or not assessing him properly through the period leading into his games. Doesn't seem right to me that he can get through numerous (i think it was 50-plus) net sessions with minimal problems and then straight away within his first couple of games finds himself injured. Yes, the intensity in a game will go up, but those final net sessions should be pretty intense.

Frustrating, but not much can be done but just keep the rehad up, keep working, and a bit of hope.

 

[bungwahl]

IMO this is looking at the situation through very rose tinted glasses. The rehabilitation stategy with Cummins surely has to be changed up as it is pretty worrying that a young bloke has already broken down on more than one occasion after a hefty lay-off. I have no idea what the solution is, but I sure hope they won't rush him back straight into the ODI/T20 sides as they've done twice already. Maybe drastic, but try something like not bowling for a couple of years and then seeing where his body is at after that. Can't be good for him both mentally and physically to keep going through these long recoveries with a short return before the next serious injury inevitably hits.

Is an incredibly tough call for a young bloke to completely give up a year or two of his career - especially at such a young age after a bright start, but might be just the thing he needs.

You sure took a lot out of the three words I offered..

He's 20. The only thing sillier than rushing him back is writing him off.

 

[damochandler]

if only we had selectors that didn't want to hang their hat on something while on the way out. he wasn't ready for test cricket.

 

[outabounds]

What can you say, at least he is still only 20.

 

[Power Raid]

bugger. he is probably our best bowler

 

[Carbine Chaos]

bugger. he is probably our best bowler

Talk about overrated.

 

[Torz]

bugger. he is probably our best bowler

Wrong term. Not best, but most potential.

 

[Power Raid]

Wrong term. Not best, but most potential.

That fair

I would probably rate him below Harris but above siddle.

 

[BluesMan]

That fair

I would probably rate him below Harris but above siddle.

Based on what ? He's hardly played a game in 2 years!

 

[Power Raid]

Based on what ? He's hardly played a game in 2 years!

Its pretty simple....Harris is a good bowler and Siddle is crap

Cummins at his early stage sits somewhere between the two.



Starc is handy but is likely to have a great limited overs career but unlikely to make a successful career at test level.

Pattison is likely to be as good if not better than cummins. Time will tell.

Sandhu could end up being better than both again time will tell.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Its pretty simple....Harris is a good bowler and Siddle is crap

 

[strauchanie59]

Cummins has a heap of potential. Took 5fa or 6fa on debut in the 2nd innings I think? If he can get his body right then he could be an absolute wicket machine.

 

[Warwick Todd]

The criticism of Siddle has to be a piss take

I've got a feeling the damage might already be done with Cummins. Not sure where he goes from here.

 

[western royboy]

Cummins has played 1 Test and Yes it was great but it's only 1 game. Bob Massie only played 6 and got 16 on Debut.

I sincerely hope Cummins gets back, but don't bag out Siddle who has 160 odd in 46 Tests on all types of surfaces as being an inferior bowler because statistics and longevity say it's not the case.

 

[brisbane13]

Its pretty simple....Harris is a good bowler and Siddle is crap

Cummins at his early stage sits somewhere between the two.



Starc is handy but is likely to have a great limited overs career but unlikely to make a successful career at test level.

Pattison is likely to be as good if not better than cummins. Time will tell.

Sandhu could end up being better than both again time will tell.

pattinson, is the future of our bowling attack, but like cummins, Australia need to address, the issue of why our fast bowlers breaking down,

 

[Power Raid]

pattinson, is the future of our bowling attack, but like cummins, Australia need to address, the issue of why our fast bowlers breaking down,

agree

 

[The_Reaper]

pattinson, is the future of our bowling attack, but like cummins, Australia need to address, the issue of why our fast bowlers breaking down,

blackcat has his theories

 

[Natho]

I think our young pace bowlers can learn a lot from Harris and Siddle. Harris never gave in and persisted injury after injury. By the sounds of it Siddle has excellent preparation methods for games and training.

Cummins is still a project and this injury will set him back a while. But he'll be back.