PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[dwwaino]

This is something I didn't even know was a thing to think about until recently

It's confusing at first but I find it helps narrow your selection of boards depending on your use case. For example I could immediately rule out all Gigabyte Aorus boards because after looking at their block diagrams it appears like they're aimed at streamers/creators. Those boards have lots of lane sharing from the storage to feed the extra USB ports and PCIe slots so you can run things like capture cards. ASRock have only just started appearing at Aussie retailers and so far I can only find two that list them (Scorptec and Centre Com) and before that I was deadset on the x870 Tomahawk. Being an x870 and not an x870e it has less lanes but it was the only board at that price where I could run two M2 drives at full speed without pulling lanes from anything else. With the x870e ASRock boards that will never be an issue if I plan on loading even more storage in the future.

 

[dwwaino]

My $588 7800x3d purchase looking better again. Now it's up to $749 (if you can find one). Anyone may as well reach a bit further for the 9800x3d at that price.

 

[dwwaino]

Gamer's Nexus and their drones be like

 

[Xtreme]

Learn something new every day but I wasn't aware that a vibrating laptop can cause screws to eventually become loose and fall out. Screwed it back in and hopefully it doesn't happen again (it will!),

 

[dwwaino]

Lan 50.. Lan FIFTY
nudge nudge

Join NVIDIA GeForce LAN 50

Starting Saturday, January 4, at 4:30 p.m. PT

www.nvidia.com

 

[biaseddustyfan]

just helped my gf build her 4070ti super 9800x3d build and I'm still here on my 11 year old PC

next year's the year...

 

[dwwaino]

just helped my gf build her 4070ti super 9800x3d build and I'm still here on my 11 year old PC

next year's the year...

Did you take any happy snaps of it?

 

[dwwaino]

 

[dwwaino]

Slight TDP bump, 12+4 connector on entire family.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - News

hwbusters.com

Not in this article but by the other recent news/rumours the 5070ti is actually looking really good while the 5080 is looking like a turd. To play devil's advocate though the gddr7 3gb modules aren't available yet otherwise I suspect the 5080 would have them from launch. There isn't a lot separating the 80 from the 70ti and if it can only support 8 memory modules and it's 8x2gb then obviously a future 5080ti/super will have 8x3gb for 24gb of vram. However the 5080 is rumoured to be 203-400 and NVIDIA only go from 100 to 400 (I think?) there isn't a lot of room to improve the 5080 besides vram and an overclock in the future. The 5080 will still be priced like an 80 and anybody interested in that tier should seriously consider the 203-300 5070ti instead.

This is also likely a very deliberate 5090 upsell that I'll be admittedly falling for as for the first time I want to spoil myself with something dumb after what has been a really shit couple years personally. Besides the 1080ti it will be the first absolute flagship I've ever owned.

 

[dav3]

Slight TDP bump, 12+4 connector on entire family.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - News

hwbusters.com

Not in this article but by the other recent news/rumours the 5070ti is actually looking really good while the 5080 is looking like a turd. To play devil's advocate though the gddr7 3gb modules aren't available yet otherwise I suspect the 5080 would have them from launch. There isn't a lot separating the 80 from the 70ti and if it can only support 8 memory modules and it's 8x2gb then obviously a future 5080ti/super will have 8x3gb for 24gb of vram. However the 5080 is rumoured to be 203-400 and NVIDIA only go from 100 to 400 (I think?) there isn't a lot of room to improve the 5080 besides vram and an overclock in the future. The 5080 will still be priced like an 80 and anybody interested in that tier should seriously consider the 203-300 5070ti instead.

This is also likely a very deliberate 5090 upsell that I'll be admittedly falling for as for the first time I want to spoil myself with something dumb after what has been a really shit couple years personally. Besides the 1080ti it will be the first absolute flagship I've ever owned.

Looks like it might be one of these typical refreshes where they don't bump up hardware specs too much, but implement some new features ready for their next architecture change, which of course means "AI"


Hopefully among other things, this means performance takes less of a hit once RT gets enabled.

 

[dwwaino]

Looks like it might be one of these typical refreshes where they don't bump up hardware specs too much, but implement some new features ready for their next architecture change, which of course means "AI"
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Hopefully among other things, this means performance takes less of a hit once RT gets enabled.

This is sounding likely so far as apparently besides the 5090 the generational gains will be smaller and that's coming with a TDP bump. The usually reliable sources are saying that the biggest gains are in RT and PT but in terms of pure raster the 5080 is only looking on par to maybe 5-10% improvment over the 4090.

There were lots of murmurs that the 50 series were meant to launch Q4 this year and I wonder if they were delayed to next year due to hope that Micron would have 3gb GDDR7 modules ready. The 5080 just doesn't look right after you look at the 5070ti which is on the same class GPU.

 

[dwwaino]

Just watched some stuff (read: speculation) on the neural rendering stuff. While it might be introduced now it will probably need at least a gen or two of graphics cards to be usable like ray tracing was after Turing (2000). Though one thing that we can't deny NVIDIA of despite often being painted the villain is their constant innovation despite having almost a monopoly. Blackwell has waiting lists for business users of over 12 months and they're still not only developing and passing the technologies down to consumers but also allocating fab capacity to even produce the cards when I'm sure they'd prefer to make more stuff for corporate and business where they actually make money (and probably why their consumer cards are so expensive so they can at least make it worthwhile to allocate capacity on).

 

[dwwaino]

5080 first followed by 5090.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB GPU First To Launch In January 2025, Followed By Flagship RTX 5090 32 GB GPU

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB GPU will be the first Blackwell gaming card to hit shelves in January followed by the RTX 5090 flagship.

wccftech.com

 

[dwwaino]

If Intel weren't making their GPU naming schemes confusing enough in regards to AM4 chipsets, next gen AMD Radeon: "hold my beer".

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Did you take any happy snaps of it?

didn't but I can get some when I'm back home and remember to!

do you blokes have any recommendations for mobo to pair with 9800x3d and likely a 5080? I want at least 2x m.2 ssd's, no plan for third at first at least. will have 2x32gb ram for my orchestral vst's. I don't really need to go too crazy with USB ports, most of the time only have a USB switcher plugged in and maybe 1 or 2 other things

 

[dwwaino]

didn't but I can get some when I'm back home and remember to!

do you blokes have any recommendations for mobo to pair with 9800x3d and likely a 5080? I want at least 2x m.2 ssd's, no plan for third at first at least. will have 2x32gb ram for my orchestral vst's. I don't really need to go too crazy with USB ports, most of the time only have a USB switcher plugged in and maybe 1 or 2 other things

I've just picked up a x870e Asrock Taichi and along with the x870e Taichi Lite and Nova they're the only boards where you can utilise all the M2 slots at full speed. The compromise is a couple less USB slots than the others and also rocks 2 USB 2.0. ASRock boards are hard to get at the moment though as I think only Scorptec and Centre Com are the only Aussie retailers carrying them and you will need to order due to their popularity.

Then Gigabyte x870e boards for example rock heaps of USB and PCIe slots but at the expense of sharing lanes with the M2 drives so stay away from them in your use case. x870e offer the most options due to the dual chipset but if you want to look at something like the x870 (no -e) MSI Tomahawk you can get 2 4x PCIe4.0 M2 drives or use the third M2 slot at 4x if you disable the rear USB 4.0 slots in BIOS as they lane share. For the price of the Tomahawk though you would be better trying to get your hands on a x870e ASRock Nova. B850 motherboards should be releasing soon but you'll be facing the same lane compromises as the x870 boards. x870e is stupidly priced though. You might be able to get some old x670 stock which will offer the same features as the x870e at better prices but the reason I decided to go the x870e myself even though pairing with a 7800x3d is due to better memory support and since it will be supported for one more generation it will likely have better support for next gen Ryzen than the 600 chipset (as in AGESA support and stuff).


edit: I should add that the Taichi and Taichi Lite are E-ATX boards so would need to make sure your case supports that form factor. Otherwise the Nova. Scorptec at the current time of writing have the Nova with an ETA meaning you can order unlike they're Sold Out stuff where you can't even add to cart. The Nova is arguably the best x870e board and it's also the cheapest. I ordered the Taichi when it was ETA and they didn't get it until a few days after the date but if you're waiting for RTX50 like me then you're in no rush to pick it up either.

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am5/114343-x870e-nova-wifi

 

[biaseddustyfan]

I've just picked up a x870e Asrock Taichi and along with the x870e Taichi Lite and Nova they're the only boards where you can utilise all the M2 slots at full speed. The compromise is a couple less USB slots than the others and also rocks 2 USB 2.0. ASRock boards are hard to get at the moment though as I think only Scorptec and Centre Com are the only Aussie retailers carrying them and you will need to order due to their popularity.

Then Gigabyte x870e boards for example rock heaps of USB and PCIe slots but at the expense of sharing lanes with the M2 drives so stay away from them in your use case. x870e offer the most options due to the dual chipset but if you want to look at something like the x870 (no -e) MSI Tomahawk you can get 2 4x PCIe4.0 M2 drives or use the third M2 slot at 4x if you disable the rear USB 4.0 slots in BIOS as they lane share. For the price of the Tomahawk though you would be better trying to get your hands on a x870e ASRock Nova. B850 motherboards should be releasing soon but you'll be facing the same lane compromises as the x870 boards. x870e is stupidly priced though. You might be able to get some old x670 stock which will offer the same features as the x870e at better prices but the reason I decided to go the x870e myself even though pairing with a 7800x3d is due to better memory support and since it will be supported for one more generation it will likely have better support for next gen Ryzen than the 600 chipset (as in AGESA support and stuff).


edit: I should add that the Taichi and Taichi Lite are E-ATX boards so would need to make sure your case supports that form factor. Otherwise the Nova. Scorptec at the current time of writing have the Nova with an ETA meaning you can order unlike they're Sold Out stuff where you can't even add to cart. The Nova is arguably the best x870e board and it's also the cheapest. I ordered the Taichi when it was ETA and they didn't get it until a few days after the date but if you're waiting for RTX50 like me then you're in no rush to pick it up either.

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am5/114343-x870e-nova-wifi

thanks for the info. was looking at those ASRock ones earlier and they did seem pretty good value. I'm happy to wait I've already waited many years haha so preorder is fine with me. might grab that nova board after a bit more pondering..

 

[dwwaino]

thanks for the info. was looking at those ASRock ones earlier and they did seem pretty good value. I'm happy to wait I've already waited many years haha so preorder is fine with me. might grab that nova board after a bit more pondering..

Scorptec are saying ETA 7/1 but even if that's loose it will still likely come in no more than a week later. I'd have ordered the Nova myself but after deciding on ASRock I just committed to the first I could order between Taichi or Nova given their popularity. To get anything comparible you're looking at $900-1000+ and even then if M2 storage is your consideration they don't even suit your use case anyway. I think when I ordered the Taichi it had an ETA of the 17th but it ended up coming in on the 20th. When I was getting something else from Scorptec the week before the bloke told me the boards were popular and they're getting a steady stream of supply but not very many units at a time. Not to act like a salesman but it's better to get the order in now if you've got the cash available because there will likely be a rush once RTX 50 releases and others are holding off until then to buy their new parts. That was my justification for buying the 7800x3d for only $580 when I did as Ryzen 9000 launched and it was probably one of the smartest PC decisions I have ever made.

 

[dwwaino]

I wonder if this will mean next gen AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards will be released in the US before the rest of the world? They'll probably want to stockpile as much as they can and they know they're guaranteed to sell all of them as everyone there will want to get them now before the tariffs.

NVIDIA & AMD Rush To Ship Out Next-Gen GPUs To Avoid Trump Tariffs; GeForce RTX 5090 Estimated To Cost $2,500+

NVIDIA and AMD are shipping out their next-gen GPUs to US warehouses in China under "desperate" measures to avoid the wave of tariffs.

wccftech.com

This is how I've been somewhat certain (and a little hopeful) that prices for NVIDIA will be roughly the same for us. If they increase MSRP to over the 40 series then with the tariffs they will be completely unaffordable for the US market and simply won't sell. Thankfully for us that remains around the same price.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Scorptec are saying ETA 7/1 but even if that's loose it will still likely come in no more than a week later. I'd have ordered the Nova myself but after deciding on ASRock I just committed to the first I could order between Taichi or Nova given their popularity. To get anything comparible you're looking at $900-1000+ and even then if M2 storage is your consideration they don't even suit your use case anyway. I think when I ordered the Taichi it had an ETA of the 17th but it ended up coming in on the 20th. When I was getting something else from Scorptec the week before the bloke told me the boards were popular and they're getting a steady stream of supply but not very many units at a time. Not to act like a salesman but it's better to get the order in now if you've got the cash available because there will likely be a rush once RTX 50 releases and others are holding off until then to buy their new parts. That was my justification for buying the 7800x3d for only $580 when I did as Ryzen 9000 launched and it was probably one of the smartest PC decisions I have ever made.

well...I preordered it. when they ask you to enter if any staff member sold it to you in the checkout page I should've written "dwwaino from bigfooty"

 

[dwwaino]

well...I preordered it. when they ask you to enter if any staff member sold it to you in the checkout page I should've written "dwwaino from bigfooty"

My order history with them says $21k so I'm about due for a commission

 

[biaseddustyfan]

My order history with them says $21k so I'm about due for a commission

haha jeez my PCCG history isn't even that high and I've bought like 4 or 5 family members PC's on my account

I had another question...I was thinking about this RAM: CMH64GX5M2B6000C30

firstly anything wrong with that choice?

also on the QVL for the nova it doesn't have it but it has a very similar one CMH64GX5M2B6000Z40 just has Z40 at the end instead of the cl30 model. Would that matter?

tbh I've never actually bought RAM that's on the QVL for any PC I've built but for this one I wanna make sure I can get the absolute most out of it

 

[dwwaino]

haha jeez my PCCG history isn't even that high and I've bought like 4 or 5 family members PC's on my account

I had another question...I was thinking about this RAM: CMH64GX5M2B6000C30

firstly anything wrong with that choice?

also on the QVL for the nova it doesn't have it but it has a very similar one CMH64GX5M2B6000Z40 just has Z40 at the end instead of the cl30 model. Would that matter?

tbh I've never actually bought RAM that's on the QVL for any PC I've built but for this one I wanna make sure I can get the absolute most out of it

I've also shopped at PCCG and PLE as well as the odd store here and there if I was desperate for something that was out of stock elsewhere so I'd hate to see my total PC history for the last 15 years.

QVL lists aren't always definitive. The RAM I bought isn't on the x870e Taichi QVL (ASRock don't look like they have as extensive lists anyway) but as I bought G.Skill they had an updated QVL on their own site that listed the new ASRock boards. Corsair unfortunately don't look like they offer the same resource. The only difference I can see between those RAM kits though is the Z40 is listed for AMD Expo (probably why it's on the QVL for an AM5 board) and C30 is for the Intel XMP profile. RAM overclocking is almost uniform between Intel and AMD and from my experience of other PC communities over the years there is far greater XMP profile support for AMD motherboards than there is for Expo profiles on Intel. So that's up to you if you want to hang on to that memory kit that will more than likely have a compatible profile out of the box or exchange it for a kit that specifically states Expo or is on a QVL.

Edit: derp. I just read again and you didn't buy it yet but I'll leave the text in for the same consideration.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

I've also shopped at PCCG and PLE as well as the odd store here and there if I was desperate for something that was out of stock elsewhere so I'd hate to see my total PC history for the last 15 years.

QVL lists aren't always definitive. The RAM I bought isn't on the x870e Taichi QVL (ASRock don't look like they have as extensive lists anyway) but as I bought G.Skill they had an updated QVL on their own site that listed the new ASRock boards. Corsair unfortunately don't look like they offer the same resource. The only difference I can see between those RAM kits though is the Z40 is listed for AMD Expo (probably why it's on the QVL for an AM5 board) and C30 is for the Intel XMP profile. RAM overclocking is almost uniform between Intel and AMD and from my experience of other PC communities over the years there is far greater XMP profile support for AMD motherboards than there is for Expo profiles on Intel. So that's up to you if you want to hang on to that memory kit that will more than likely have a compatible profile out of the box or exchange it for a kit that specifically states Expo or is on a QVL.

Edit: derp. I just read again and you didn't buy it yet but I'll leave the text in for the same consideration.

cheers. I've had more of a look around and there's a couple same spec kits for similar price I could go with that are on the list so maybe I just pick one of those for peace of mind

 

[dwwaino]

Pricing leaks have been coming out for a while but given the sources and how close we are (some channels are getting hit with strikes which lends even more credibility) these might be legitimate.

5080 - $1370USD/¥9999CNY - $2200AUD
5090 - $2600USD/¥18999CNY - $4190AUD

That's MSRP originally from CNY so I think includes tax unlike when prices are announced in USD. It lines up with the original leaks in USD minus tax too. Once you account for AIB prices I think we'll be looking at around $2500 and $4500 for the 5080 and 5090 respectively.

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & GeForce RTX 5080 Expected Pricing Surfaces Online; Flagship RTX 50 GPU Rumored To Cost $2,600

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 expected pricing surfaces online. Both models rumored to cost around $2,600 and $1,370 respectively.

wccftech.com

I've got no issue with the cash for the 5090 but I'm definitely questioning if it's irresponsible or not. NVIDIA are extremely out of touch now. Either come out and state if the 90 class is even a consumer card anymore or rebrand it away from GeForce if it's not and for the prosumer instead. For the 80 I'm not as concerned as the rest of the internet for being a 16gb card again as that's actually a physical limitation given the GB203 GPU has room for eight memory modules and only 2gb GDDR7 is available at the moment. I'm more concerned on how many less SMs and CUDA cores it has vs the 90 compared to previous generations. If generational uplift has it around 20% over the 4090 I think I'll just shoot for that and re-asses later once the 5080 Super and/or TI are released should VRAM be an issue. IMO 5080ti will be a cut down 5090 on the GB202 and will be simply a better class of card while 80 Super will just be the same 5080 with more memory and a slight OC. However if the 5080 comes in underwhelming (0-5% of the 4090) but the 5090 is truly a beast then I might just torch my cash after all.

I guess it could be worse. You could be from the States and will have to soon chuck 60% more on top


Also looks like ASUS are going with Prime and Astral for their naming. Astral looks like it's replacing Strix.

ASUS GeForce RTX 5080 and Radeon RX 9070 XT custom GPU names leaked, 16GB memory confirmed - VideoCardz.com

ASUS GeForce RTX 5080 and Radeon RX 9070 XT ASUS is set to launch new graphics cards in ROG (Republic of Gamers) series. It looks like gamers will have a new option in the ASUS graphics card lineup. A product called GeForce RTX 5080 ROG ASTRAL has been listed by several retailers and...

videocardz.com