2nds Peel Thunder 2023 Season

[Docker82]

Most we’ve ever had is 2 or at most 3 in the magoo’s I think , a clean bill of health is almost impossible

Games at WAFL level should be earned anyway

There's always one or two on the list that aren't WAFL standard yet.

Thing is I don't believe Worner's form was bad enough to be dropped to reserves. Kuek was one of the leading goal kickers in the first half the season for East Perth - comes to Peel and is in the reserves a few weeks later.

More than happy with Peel having complete control over who's selected tbh. It's only the quota I have a problem with.

 

[stax on the mull]

Caught the tail end of the Peel Thunder coach just interviewed by Duffield.

Sounds like Port will be bringing over players from their two squads from AFL and SANFL in a couple of weeks so that the AFL players that don't get selected will be playing in a Peel vs Port scratch match.

Not exactly sure now that I listened to the interview in full what Valentine meant.

He says its a game against vs Port, but he might have been talking about it from an AFL point of view, rather than Peel, as he goes on to say "intraclub".

 

[Freomaniac]

Still a little while until the pre-season scratch matches and regular season.

I believe Peel will be really strong this season if there aren't too many injuries.

I believe it was 13 players maximum in 2022.

Would be interested to see how posters think players will line up for round 1 and who might start in the ressies.

So 13 dockers players on peels best 21 each week?

Well... That's fine to me. I like things done in moderation. That means at least 8 home grown peel players are playing each game.

I don't mind those 8 peel spots constantly rotated incase peel makes finals again.

Injuries occur and those peel numbers will rise up to at least 10-12 a week.

 

[Freomaniac]

It's not Peels call either though, its a league rule because the other clubs all complained

Only way we get out of it is by joining the VFL

I can understand why all the other WAFL clubs complained. It is mainly got to do with Peel winning those WAFL flags in 2016 and 2017.

In the 2016 grand final, peel thunder beat Subiaco. Peel had 17 dockers listed players out of 21.

In 2017, Peel thunder beat Subiaco again. This time it was only 14 dockers listed players in that 21. One of them was Zac Dawson.

Should be a starting 22 to be honest.

I doubt the WAFL would follow the AFL in having a 5 or 6 person bench. That means 23 or 24 players on Matchday.

If they did, it would be beneficial to both the dockers and peel.

 

[greatgatsby]

Some interesting stuff on WAFL club finances, and FFC's contribution to the league.

WAFL financials: League CEO Michael Roberts reflects on competition’s feasibility, revenue woes​

The WAFL is at a critical juncture after four clubs recorded concerning losses. ELIZA REILLY reports on how league chief executive Michael Roberts is planning to climb out of the financial mire.

February 26, 2023 - 9:00AM

WAFL clubs Subiaco and Peel Thunder both recorded financial losses after the 2022 season. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

The West Australian Football Commission is urging WAFL clubs to lift their game or be left behind after four teams combined to record a staggering loss of nearly $1 million last year.
Subiaco (-$343,380) and East Fremantle (-$322,104) lodged the biggest losses, while Peel Thunder (-$145,525) and East Perth (-$60,863) also finished the year in deficit as CODE Sports revealed in its WAFL Rich List.

Combined with five clubs recording a range of profits, WAFL clubs lost $46,389 on average last year.
WAFC chief executive Michael Roberts revealed the commission is about to launch a new marketing campaign aimed at enticing a new audience to the WAFL. But he warned that clubs would have to follow suit or risk becoming financially unfeasible.
The commission is set to meet with clubs that recorded deficits over the coming weeks. Roberts is imploring them to find new ways of marketing themselves and alternative revenue streams.
“There’s no doubt that some clubs every year do a bit of tweaking and repeat what they did the year before. We’re all probably in agreement that it’s not going to work moving forward,” Roberts told CODE.
“We have a real focus on the sustainability of the clubs and the competition. I think we’ve seen a plateau in membership and crowds across the competition as a whole.

Fans flocked to see Nat Fyfe return from injury for Peel Thunder last year, but WAFL crowds have been a concern. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

“That’s why last year we started to invest significantly from a commission point of view in our brand and growth team. We’ve never really marketed the game. In the WAFL, we’ve relied on the history of the game and the clubs.
“By having a full campaign, hopefully, everyone buys into the fact that we’re invested in marketing the competition. The clubs are now saying ‘we need to lift our game’ as well.
“There are probably still some rusted-on WAFL people that might need a bit more convincing. But if we see one, two or three clubs do something really well, other clubs should buy into it.”
Roberts highlighted the need to be competitors on the field, but “support and learn from each other” off it.
“Those clubs who did have sizeable losses, we’ll be sitting down with their boards to talk about their strategy to improve,” he said.
“Clubs are reaching out. The old traditional way of us (the WAFC) being the enemy, is starting to break down.”

The WAFC released their financial result, recording a loss of $10.2 million last year after they asked for their state government funding to be withheld until the new financial year.
Roberts said a surplus of $1.5 million would have been recorded if the commission received its $11.5 million in funding before October 30.
“What it had been showing is that we had this extra $11 million cash in our bank every year,” he said.
“There’s obviously a lot of interest in our financials and people thinking we’re flush with cash isn’t a true reflection of how our business operates, so we asked for it to be delayed.”
Royalties from the two AFL clubs were also down from $5.7 million in 2021 to $4,966,742 last year. Fremantle granted $2.25 million and were able to contribute to the WAFC’s royalty reserve for the first time in their history, proving that the gap between the two clubs is closing after the Dockers return to finals.

The financial gap between the Dockers and Eagles is closing. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

West Coast’s contribution dropped by $1 million after a horror on-field 2022 but Roberts said the WAFC still received enough royalties to fund football at all levels.
“The way we’re set up, we can only use about $4m combined of the two teams as operational spend. Hopefully, it never gets to that point but anything below that, it starts to impact our ability to deliver,” he said.
“It’s really important for football in WA that our clubs perform well on and off the field. West Coast’s 2022, on field, was probably the one box that wasn’t ticked.
“We’re hopefully getting to a level where we’ll be less reliant on the AFL clubs’ money.”

 

[Stinky Lomax]

See Jackson Broadbent has been picked up by South Fremantle.

No brainer really for him with Freo bringing in 3 ruckman in the off season with 2 of them to play constantly at Peel. If he’s as good as he thinks he is, he’ll get the opportunity to show it.

 

[freo_leo29]

Got a whole tonne of project players this year, gonna be interesting to see how Peel go

our bottom 10 are pretty bad for various reasons

 

[Freomaniac]

Got a whole tonne of project players this year, gonna be interesting to see how Peel go

our bottom 10 are pretty bad for various reasons

Well it evens out when you think about it.

Yeah Peel is competitive because the dockers players being played on peels best 21.

I don't think Peel has a strong junior or local zone to call on to be honest.

But as I said, 21 peel players will play each week. 13 of them will be dockers listed players. That means a bare minimum of 8 peel players will get games.

Those 8-10 peel players spots will be rotated each game

 

[FreoRicci]

Sorry but Subiaco recording loses is hilarious. The league has been set up for them to win for the last two decades. Seriously inept management to have losses.

 

[King Huskii]

Sorry but Subiaco recording loses is hilarious. The league has been set up for them to win for the last two decades. Seriously inept management to have losses.

East Freos best season in many years and had a big financial loss

South Freo on the other hand are such better regarding management

 

[freo_leo29]

East Freos best season in many years and had a big financial loss

South Freo on the other hand are such better regarding management

Not privvy to their financials but east Freo are having shark park upgraded

They played between 2 home grounds last year including the WACA

Would surely have to affect profit

 

[Purpletown]

Not privvy to their financials but east Freo are having shark park upgraded

They played between 2 home grounds last year including the WACA

Would surely have to affect profit

I think the Town of East Fremantle are picking up the tab for the redevelopment of Shark Park rather than the EFFC.

It was a joke last season when EFFC moved to the WACA ground so East Freo oval could be worked on and nothing happened. As it turned out EFFC could probably have played the whole of the 2022 season at their home ground.

 

[freo_leo29]

I think the Town of East Fremantle are picking up the tab for the redevelopment of Shark Park rather than the EFFC.

It was a joke last season when EFFC moved to the WACA ground so East Freo oval could be worked on and nothing happened. As it turned out EFFC could probably have played the whole of the 2022 season at their home ground.

Yeah and shifting between two grounds doesn't help for attendance imo

Same was playing at the WACA, it's gotta be a hit for them to not really have home games in a season

 

[fnerd]

Sorry but Subiaco recording loses is hilarious. The league has been set up for them to win for the last two decades. Seriously inept management to have losses.

Soooo good isn’t?… years spent handing out cash/white goods/gifts etc to big name recruits and ex afl players (almost all developed via opposition clubs originally) to basically buy success
but now with the golden tap of subi oval bar/member takings loooooong gone the club has now resorted back to Its true form(didn’t take long)that being a financial basket case of the league .
Warms the heart

 

[masai tu]

Soooo good isn’t?… years spent handing out cash/white goods/gifts etc to big name recruits and ex afl players (almost all developed via opposition clubs originally) to basically buy success
but now with the golden tap of subi oval bar/member takings loooooong gone the club has now resorted back to Its true form(didn’t take long)that being a financial basket case of the league .
Warms the heart

In the WAFL, over history ( 100 years ), Subi has generally been thought of as a small player.

Talk big, but never had a large membership base.

 

[stax on the mull]

Duffield has soneone on his show today talking about the WAFL this morning and about the transfer of a Peel player Jackson Broadbent to South Fremantle.

I wasn't listening to it too closely but somewhere in the interview I heard it mentioned that the number of AFL players from Fremanlte playing for Peel each week might be a bit higher than the 13 previously mentioned.

The interviewee was talking about how Broadbent would be starved of opportunities to play league with Peel's and Fremantle's ruck reserves (Smith, Edwards,Reidy, Knobel) but also at one point he said that players like Hughes, Draper and one other player named (named, I just didn't hear who it was, though I guess it would be Wilson) could take the number up to 15 or 16 in any particular week.

Something to do with those players being originally drafted from Peel.

 

[greatgatsby]

In the WAFL, over history ( 100 years ), Subi has generally been thought of as a small player.

Talk big, but never had a large membership base.

Subi were a very small club in the 70s and early 80s (before the AFL). Although Swans and Claremont (before Mal Brown built the club off the back of a generous recruitment zone in the 1970s) were also small before the late 70s.

 

[Freomaniac]

Sorry but Subiaco recording loses is hilarious. The league has been set up for them to win for the last two decades. Seriously inept management to have losses.

Sad to hear WAFL clubs losing money, even if it's Subiaco.

Still, that means WAFL clubs are very reliant on ticket sales, catering and sponsorships.


SANFL clubs are different.

Most of the SANFL clubs main sources of money is pokies at their bars and social clubs.

There were rumours that Glenelg footy club was gonna go bankrupt in the end of 2017. They were 3 million in debt apparently.

This was because they spent 2-3 million on their bar upgrades and invested in poker machines.

Glenelg won the SANFL Premiership in 2017.

Saying that, Central Districts Bulldogs made SANFL grand finals every year from 2000-2011. They won 9 SANFL flags in that 2000-2011 period too.

Why did they become rich and successful? It's easy, they make lots of money on poker machines.

 

[freo_leo29]

Duffield has soneone on his show today talking about the WAFL this morning and about the transfer of a Peel player Jackson Broadbent to South Fremantle.

I wasn't listening to it too closely but somewhere in the interview I heard it mentioned that the number of AFL players from Fremanlte playing for Peel each week might be a bit higher than the 13 previously mentioned.

The interviewee was talking about how Broadbent would be starved of opportunities to play league with Peel's and Fremantle's ruck reserves (Smith, Edwards,Reidy, Knobel) but also at one point he said that players like Hughes, Draper and one other player named (named, I just didn't hear who it was, though I guess it would be Wilson) could take the number up to 15 or 16 in any particular week.

Something to do with those players being originally drafted from Peel.

I've heard that rule mentioned before but don't think its official, isn't in the rulebook AFAIK

Also Hughes was drafted from Swannies so they may be off the mark there, Wilson is another peel boy tho

 

[stax on the mull]

I've heard that rule mentioned before but don't think its official, isn't in the rulebook AFAIK

Also Hughes was drafted from Swannies so they may be off the mark there, Wilson is another peel boy tho

He might be off the mark, I should probably re-listen to the podcast and see who was saying that. It might be a technicality with Hughes as he was originally Peel and swapped and played most of the 2014 season with Swans before he was drafted. Not sure if officially that means he was drafted from Swan Districts but he started the 2014 WAFL season with Peel reserves.

 

[stax on the mull]

He might be off the mark, I should probably re-listen to the podcast and see who was saying that. It might be a technicality with Hughes as he was originally Peel and swapped and played most of the 2014 season with Swans before he was drafted. Not sure if officially that means he was drafted from Swan Districts but he started the 2014 WAFL season with Peel reserves.

Fremantle take 11 spots per week plus any player that has been previously listed at Peel taking it up to 14 players per week (Hughes, Draper, Wilson)

Then apparently the arrangement after that is if Fremantle have more players - it goes one reserves, one league, one reserves etc so it can go higher than 14.

You can flick to the 10 min mark in this interview to hear what is said.

 

[freo_leo29]

Wonder if someone from the west was down at the intra?

Looks like peel posted nothing about it

 

[Superkoops]

Fremantle take 11 spots per week plus any player that has been previously listed at Peel taking it up to 14 players per week (Hughes, Draper, Wilson)

Then apparently the arrangement after that is if Fremantle have more players - it goes one reserves, one league, one reserves etc so it can go higher than 14.

You can flick to the 10 min mark in this interview to hear what is said.

Hughes was drafted from Swan Districts.

“Originally from Bunbury Western Australia, he was drafted with the 13th selection in the 2015 Rookie Draft from Swan Districts in the West Australian Football League (WAFL).”

 

[stax on the mull]

Hughes was drafted from Swan Districts.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Hughes transferred from Peel Thunder to Swan Districts in the year he was drafted so perhaps that's why he was referred to as a Peel player ("previously listed at Peel") in the interview. Harvey-Brunswick-Leschenault was his former team in the South West Football League.

I can't say how definitive this bloke, Scott Baker, is, but he's the Executive Manager of WAFL and Talent, and sits at the level under the WAFC CEO in the WAFC structure.

 

[Docker82]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Hughes transferred from Peel Thunder to Swan Districts in the year he was drafted so perhaps that's why he was referred to as a Peel player ("previously listed at Peel") in the interview. Harvey-Brunswick-Leschenault was his former team in the South West Football League.

I can't say how definitive this bloke, Scott Baker, is, but he's the Executive Manager of WAFL and Talent, and sits at the level under the WAFC CEO in the WAFC structure.

It seems Hughes is considered a local player due to his original club being within Peel's zone. Not sure which club he was drafted from comes into it at all. Most players don't switch WAFL before being drafted but Hughes did.

The situation with Hughes is similar to a delisted AFL players returning to their original WAFL club. Must apply to players that switch WAFL then switch back too which is sort of what Hughes has done

This matter is slightly more confusing as Harvey is Peel's zone but Bunbury belongs to Swan Districts. I believe the Wikipedia page is wrong and and Hughes is actually from Harvey or somewhere nearby.