Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[Power Raid]

That's the point though, it was a plain and simple design where the highest regard was given to it's actual function - a convention centre. To that aim it achieved it's objective, and it was broadly built on time and on budget. Start ******* around with the design and it can get complex - which adds time and cost.

given we paid $15m to a french city designer (post the convention centre) I dare say we expect more than just functionality these days

 

[WestCoast05]

http://robdose.com.au/category/proje...perth-stadium/

 

[Rob]

given we paid $15m to a french city designer (post the convention centre) I dare say we expect more than just functionality these days

Oh, no doubt. And that's not necessarily a bad thing at all.

But going back to the issue, if the footbridge was a vanilla design it would probably be built by now.

 

[Bradesmaen]

That's the point though, it was a plain and simple design where the highest regard was given to it's actual function - a convention centre. To that aim it achieved it's objective, and it was broadly built on time and on budget. Start ******* around with the design and it can get complex - which adds time and cost.

I'd rather something look good than look hideous. Hence why the Stadium has gone up so fast, it's hideous and easily engineered. The bridge will look good at least. Perth Arena is absolutely horrible looking. But also, just because they make it look good architecturally, doesn't mean it is that more complex to design and build.

 

[Kwality]

I'd rather something look good than look hideous. Hence why the Stadium has gone up so fast, it's hideous and easily engineered. The bridge will look good at least. Perth Arena is absolutely horrible looking. But also, just because they make it look good architecturally, doesn't mean it is that more complex to design and build.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and you don't like it ..

 

[Bradesmaen]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and you don't like it ..

Maybe because its not unique? The shape is not going to change, but it just looks like they modified the London 2012 design.. every oval stadium is being built like that these days, talk about boring.

 

[wedgetail]

If you removed a few thousand bolts then the entire outer skin of the place would literally fall off. Replace with flavor of the month. Everything left behind is structural and fairly inflexible in design.

Rather than dumping another 50 / 100 million on purely arecuitectural frills, Colin went for the lower cost alucobond skin and now he is getting canned for that too? Tough crowd.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Maybe because its not unique? The shape is not going to change, but it just looks like they modified the London 2012 design.. every oval stadium is being built like that these days, talk about boring.

You're complaining that every oval is built in roughly an oval shape - what were you expecting - a trapezoid??

 

[Keys]

The sky is blue

I don't like it

Change it

 

[W.C. Fry]

Its an oval. It looks like an oval.
But they SHOULD!! have asked the common man what they wanted and got something like this instead-

 

[BartBart]

 

[Bradesmaen]

You're complaining that every oval is built in roughly an oval shape - what were you expecting - a trapezoid??

Not every oval, but they are mainly being built as cake tins with no soul

 

[Kram]

Maybe they should smash down one end, whack in a grass bank and move over the WACA scoreboard. Then it will look good.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Not every oval, but they are mainly being built as cake tins with no soul

How do you know it will have no soul?

The required layout is for an oval playing surface with seats around the edge arranged nicely so everyone gets the best possible view of the action. There aren't many other layouts to choose from, the cake tin layout is probably the optimal configuration. Even the Romans built the Colosseum to that general configuration.

 

[hitthepost]

How do you know it will have no soul?

The required layout is for an oval playing surface with seats around the edge arranged nicely so everyone gets the best possible view of the action. There aren't many other layouts to choose from, the cake tin layout is probably the optimal configuration. Even the Romans built the Colosseum to that general configuration.

If we leave PS to stand for 3,000 years the people of 5017 will be saying "hell, even the Ancient Australians built round stadiums around their ovals!"

 

[Bradesmaen]

How do you know it will have no soul?

The required layout is for an oval playing surface with seats around the edge arranged nicely so everyone gets the best possible view of the action. There aren't many other layouts to choose from, the cake tin layout is probably the optimal configuration. Even the Romans built the Colosseum to that general configuration.

Because it's a singular slab of concrete basically. There are no outstanding characteristics. Even the MCG has no soul now after what they did to it.

 

[seanoff]

Because it's a singular slab of concrete basically. There are no outstanding characteristics. Even the MCG has no soul now after what they did to it.

The soul comes from the people in it not the structure. You cant get funky with the design because you'll fubar the value of some seats, the capacity, the functionality of the building etc. if the people in there are all old, doing their knitting and not making a sound it will be shit. If the crowd is up and about. Woot. Golden State in the NBA has by all reports fantastic fans, loud, passionate etc. With the game on you'd be hard pressed to find much difference between where they played and 26 other NBA venues.

You can make it look ok from the outside, make sure that the interior finish is interesting and functional, play with the lighting etc, but the hard design points make the actual bowl design pretty much set in stone (concrete).

 

[Bradesmaen]

The soul comes from the people in it not the structure. You cant get funky with the design because you'll fubar the value of some seats, the capacity, the functionality of the building etc. if the people in there are all old, doing their knitting and not making a sound it will be shit. If the crowd is up and about. Woot. Golden State in the NBA has by all reports fantastic fans, loud, passionate etc. With the game on you'd be hard pressed to find much difference between where they played and 26 other NBA venues.

You can make it look ok from the outside, make sure that the interior finish is interesting and functional, play with the lighting etc, but the hard design points make the actual bowl design pretty much set in stone (concrete).

How does the soul of a building come from the people? The people aren't the building. It could be half empty but the building can have character and a uniqueness. Literally you could put that stadium in another city and people wouldn't know that it is Perth Stadium. It's a generic design by awful architects. It's the same reason that most US sports stadiums no longer have any soul about them. All built recently, all just relative carbon copies of each other. 20 years later they tear it down and build a new one.

 

[Admiral Byng]

How does the soul of a building come from the people? The people aren't the building. It could be half empty but the building can have character and a uniqueness. Literally you could put that stadium in another city and people wouldn't know that it is Perth Stadium. It's a generic design by awful architects. It's the same reason that most US sports stadiums no longer have any soul about them. All built recently, all just relative carbon copies of each other. 20 years later they tear it down and build a new one.

People sit there for 3 hours to watch a footy game, then go home or move on to the pubs. Comfy seats, reasonable food and drink options, no long queues for the toilets, a roof for a bit of shade or shelter. These things outweigh "character" in my experience of watching the game.

 

[Bradesmaen]

People sit there for 3 hours to watch a footy game, then go home or move on to the pubs. Comfy seats, reasonable food and drink options, no long queues for the toilets, a roof for a bit of shade or shelter. These things outweigh "character" in my experience of watching the game.

Explains why Perth is what it is.

 

[tonygeeks]

Surely they could have done something to that roof line
My fave looking modern stadium is the Seahawks Century Feild

 

[Clems Knee]

How does the soul of a building come from the people? The people aren't the building. It could be half empty but the building can have character and a uniqueness. Literally you could put that stadium in another city and people wouldn't know that it is Perth Stadium. It's a generic design by awful architects. It's the same reason that most US sports stadiums no longer have any soul about them. All built recently, all just relative carbon copies of each other. 20 years later they tear it down and build a new one.

This is really stupid.
Put any stadium in any other city and people wouldn't know which city it originally came from. I mean really, take a read of what you wrote and take a good hard look at yourself.
I've seen photos of the London Olympic stadium. It is a bowl beneath the level of its surroundings, with a skeletal facade of steel, as if it still has scaffolding around it. Yes it's oval shaped and it has covering around the seats but not the pitch., but that's it. Oh yes, it has seats in it too. But nothing like Perth stadium, because our seats don't flash different colours and the tiered seating is arranged differently. For you to claim the stadium is just the same (generic) shows that you are being disingenuous, or just plain stupid.

And why do you think they are awful architects?

The whole idea of soul as you are using it is ridiculous. It just means you can make a claim which is impossible to contradict or confirm. I not think you have any idea what 'soul' means. We will know whether this stadium works as a venue when a crowd turns up and provides the noise to make the event exciting and fun to be in, and whether people love going to the venue for years to come.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Explains why Perth is what it is.

Climate and geography.

Hot dry summers, cool wet winters - need for a stadium with a roof shade and shelter. I'd hate to be at Subi or WACA on a night like tonight or yesterday with all the rain we've just had. Fixed roof with open playing field for natural sunlight works for me.

We could have gone the retractable roof option I guess, then but you'd probably think it was even more generic and soul-less if it the roof was closed.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Climate and geography.

Hot dry summers, cool wet winters - need for a stadium with a roof shade and shelter. I'd hate to be at Subi or WACA on a night like tonight or yesterday with all the rain we've just had. Fixed roof with open playing field for natural sunlight works for me.

We could have gone the retractable roof option I guess, then but you'd probably think it was even more generic and soul-less if it the roof was closed.

I meant more vacuous and boring.

 

[Bradesmaen]

This is really stupid.
Put any stadium in any other city and people wouldn't know which city it originally came from. I mean really, take a read of what you wrote and take a good hard look at yourself.
I've seen photos of the London Olympic stadium. It is a bowl beneath the level of its surroundings, with a skeletal facade of steel, as if it still has scaffolding around it. Yes it's oval shaped and it has covering around the seats but not the pitch., but that's it. Oh yes, it has seats in it too. But nothing like Perth stadium, because our seats don't flash different colours and the tiered seating is arranged differently. For you to claim the stadium is just the same (generic) shows that you are being disingenuous, or just plain stupid.

And why do you think they are awful architects?

The whole idea of soul as you are using it is ridiculous. It just means you can make a claim which is impossible to contradict or confirm. I not think you have any idea what 'soul' means. We will know whether this stadium works as a venue when a crowd turns up and provides the noise to make the event exciting and fun to be in, and whether people love going to the venue for years to come.

It is almost identical to Perth stadium, engineering and architecturally. The only difference is the lighting.

And I've seen the other shit they've done. They don't win awards.