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Pick 2,18 and 19 vs 3,20 and Kennedy
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Cotchin and Morton are pretty even, not much difference between pick 18-20 amd kennedy is better than anything available at that point in the draft.
they are even
if it was 2 + 11 + 19 then yes
they are even
if it was 2 + 11 + 19 then yes
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thats a crap call. 2 and 3 are going to net you an exceptional talent.
19 and 20 are exactly the same.
and kennedy is worth more than pick 18 on his own.
therefore 3,20 and kennedy is better than that.
19 and 20 are exactly the same.
and kennedy is worth more than pick 18 on his own.
therefore 3,20 and kennedy is better than that.
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Carltons better as Kennedy will be a very good CHF for WCE.
But Richmond could have offered up 2, Deledio, Foley and 19 and the deal would not have been done.
Judd had zero interest in going to Richmond. Facilities, culture, list , coach etc did not appeal. Can you really blame him?
But Richmond could have offered up 2, Deledio, Foley and 19 and the deal would not have been done.
Judd had zero interest in going to Richmond. Facilities, culture, list , coach etc did not appeal. Can you really blame him?
Elseya
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Nobody Wants To Play For Richmond
Compare Melbourne's Offer, Because Richmond Could Offer Anything Knowing He Was Not Going To Play For Them
Nobody Wants To Play For Richmond
Compare Melbourne's Offer, Because Richmond Could Offer Anything Knowing He Was Not Going To Play For Them
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Only because your club brainwashed him with this......
Yep, because you have proof that he came just for the money, don't you...
Bitter, bitter tigergirlz...Juddy didn't want to play for your rabble
Yep, because you have proof that he came just for the money, don't you...
Bitter, bitter tigergirlz...Juddy didn't want to play for your rabble
I'm sure he came over because he loves you guys.
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Not anymore
Let's break the deal down into individual components:
It's looking like West Coast will be picking up Cotchin, who they would have got whether they had either pick 2 or 3. Therefore Pick 2 = Pick 3.
As for pick 19, once you get into the second round of the draft, picks start to become speculative. The difference between 19 and 20 is negligible. Therefore Pick 19 = Pick 20.
West Coast gave up pick 46, but in a shallow draft this was practically meaningless.
So we are left with the comparison of Kennedy versus Pick 18. Kennedy was, what, pick 4 only two years ago. He hasn't shown much in the way of brilliance, but he hasn't been shown to be a dud either. He may turn out to be another McDougall, but he might also turn out to be another Ash Hansen. You definitely have to give him the benefit of the doubt at such an early stage in his career. Against pick 18 in a shallow draft, you'd have to rate him higher.
Having said that, I haven't seen much of Kennedy. But can anyone dispute that, at this tender stage in his career, that he is worth more than pick 18?
Miller has been pushing this barrow all weekend. 3AW, SEN on Sunday and again this morning and its crap!!!
Miller is effectively saying that 2, McMahon and 19 are better than;
3, Kennedy and 20. Only Miller and Wallace would rate Mcmahon that highly. He is an outside player with above average foot skills but there are hundreds of them
Tivendale is a poor mans McMahon. Patrick Bowden also.
Keenedy is 6'6" 20yr old key position player with 2years in the system.
Richmond's (see Wallace) obsession with outside runners is clouding their judgement.
2 is better than 3 particularly as WC rate Cotchin highly
Kennedy is far better than McMahon and has far more upside
19 and 20 are lottery tickets.
Of course if Miller believes that 2, 18 and 19 are better than 3, Kennedy and 20 then they have traded badly.
Perhaps that is what he is trying to cover.
nikolasgabriel
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Yep, because you have proof that he came just for the money, don't you...
Bitter, bitter tigergirlz...Juddy didn't want to play for your rabble
too true
I am sure he came to you because of your superior young players and encouraging recent results
nikolasgabriel
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but mate
when the tigers take cothcin and you wont take morton
then come back and tell me if 2 = 3
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2, 18 + 19 i'd say is about even with 3, 20 + Kennedy, which means because Judd chose Carlton as his preferred club, they win.
2, 18 + Coughlan would have beaten that deal, but Carlton would have just made a better offer, 1, 20 + Kennedy or 3, 20 + someone better than Josh and that's game over.
2, 18 + Coughlan would have beaten that deal, but Carlton would have just made a better offer, 1, 20 + Kennedy or 3, 20 + someone better than Josh and that's game over.
You don't think the Tigers traded for Mitch Morton was a clear indication of their intention to draft Cale?
In any event, the value of a draft pick really depends on the players available and the needs of the club. For Carlton, Pick 1 this year is extremely valuable, because Kruezer is the stand-out draftee for the year and Carlton disparately need a ruckman. For a team with good ruck stocks already, having Pick 1 this year would be less important.
As everyone knows, Pick 3 was enough for the Eagles to get Judd in the first place. I'm more than confident that it'll be enough for the Eagles to do well this draft too. 2 = 3.
Interestingly enough, everyone keeps saying the Eagles got shafted on the Judd deal, and yet I haven't heard of any firm offers that trumped Carlton. If 2, 18 & 19 was the best alternative, it was hardly worth screwing Chris Judd over. Even if you accept that Richmond offered a better deal (and many of us think it was actually worse), it wasn't significantly better. And certainly not so good as to be worth getting a bad reputation over. And make no mistake, there would have been a lot of bad press for WCE if they'd screwed Judd.
If the Carlton deal was so bad, it should have been easy for other clubs to beat it.
They didn't.
What does that tell you?
Heisenberg_
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Yep, because you have proof that he came just for the money, don't you...
Chris Judd
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Kennedy = at least pick 5 . Game over.
But could have been Houlihan Vs all of Richmonds picks and he still wouldnt have gone there.
Richmond = AFL's skid row...
Just let it go Tigers, it's over!
But could have been Houlihan Vs all of Richmonds picks and he still wouldnt have gone there.
Richmond = AFL's skid row...
Just let it go Tigers, it's over!
Heisenberg_
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So if Kennedy was offered for trade you would get around pick 5Kennedy = at least pick 5 . Game over.
But could have been Houlihan Vs all of Richmonds picks and he still wouldnt have gone there.
Richmond = AFL's skid row...
Just let it go Tigers, it's over!
I guess the only views relevant in this comparison are those of the West Coast supporters, and the majority say Carlton's offer was better.
Geez, you are nearly more of an idiot than Greg Miller. At least you don't support Richmond, i'll give you that
Not true west coast were happier with the tigers offer but feared losing judd for nix in the PSD,he warned richmond he'll put a 2 million dollar price tag on himself.
Given your last 25 years and your efforts this season that probably wasn't the best statement to make. We did finish 15th BUT which was the only side to finish under us?too true
I am sure he came to you because of your superior young players and encouraging recent results
Anyway, Judd didn't want to actually play for the crappy club, who would, so it really doesn't matter.
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