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Player Watch Pick #5 (2018) - Connor Rozee (AFL Captain)
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I've always wondered if the decision to go with Jonas as captain this year despite his form looking borderline best 22 in 2022, was because the club already had plans for Rozee and Butters to be Captain and VC and they weren't ready for that in 2023.
I guess they were probably hoping Jonas could hang on for one more year and that his form wouldn't drop away as dramatically as it did.
And if they changed it up last year, Wines was our only realistic option, and they probably wouldn't have just given him a year of captaincy and then moved him on. So if we made the change for 2023 i think Wines would still be our captain and we probably would've had to wait another year or two for Rozee, and Wines could've potentially found himself in a Jonas 2023 struggle.
So whilst it wasn't an ideal scenario this year, it probably worked out for the best in the end.
Yes, given some sound bites recently by Rozee and Butters, they have both expressed that maintaining their form in the side which is All Australian which is fantastic is very important to them.
I don't know with what you said is true but it wouldn't surprise me if most of it is true. I think that it may have had an impact on the playing group seeing their captain playing poorly and also getting dropped and really hanging on for dear life. You look up to your captain, you don't look down. So it was probably a poor decision and Wines wasn't a long term option so maybe 2023 was a 'bardo' year for captaincy but I think we are super duper back on track. Sometimes it just doesn't work out time wise.
I wrote a big post about where improvements would come in 2024 from the team and didn't realise the possibility of how much Jonas as captain in name only may have affected the group in a negative way. Given the All-Australian form of Rozee and Butters, they may give a huge inspirational, impact to the playing group. Given the form of Houston as AA in the leadership group, we are good to go. The other two in Powell-Pepper and Drew are no slouches either.
I think we are set for quite a while. Great news considering recent years.
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Agreed, a highly skilled captain who would have been the absolute best player on the list at the time (eg John Cahill and Russell Ebert), or not too far off it for a number of others who had the ability to do something out of the ordinary and inspire their team mates is much more in line with the Port Adelaide I grew up supporting.
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If I have done my maths right and we assume the first game of the season is 1st April, not worry about the day of the announcement, then Connor is the youngest captain since Bob Quinn was appointed Captain / Coach for the 1939 season.
Rozee born 22 January 2000 - assume 1st game 1st April 2024
Quinn born 9 April 1915 - assume 1st game is 1st April 1939
You can argue Connor officially got the title at a younger age than Bob, as Bob probably wasn't officially announced until February 1939 on the eve of preseason training starting in February back then, but to be made Captain and Coach before his 24th birthday was a remarkable feat.
Rozee born 22 January 2000 - assume 1st game 1st April 2024
Quinn born 9 April 1915 - assume 1st game is 1st April 1939
You can argue Connor officially got the title at a younger age than Bob, as Bob probably wasn't officially announced until February 1939 on the eve of preseason training starting in February back then, but to be made Captain and Coach before his 24th birthday was a remarkable feat.
I don't know what went on behind the scenes but certainly it was incumbent on Jonas to relinquish the captaincy and focus on his form. He was sliding badly in 2022. He must have known during the preseason that it was best for him and the club if he stood down.
However the onus did not rest solely on him. It was up to the powers that be to take him aside and tell him objectively how things looked from the outside. I would have to think if this were handled properly that Jonas, a dual Fos Williams medalist, would have done the right thing.
At the beginning of the 2023 Jonas made it clear how the captaincy would be awarded:
I don't think Rozee was having a dig at Jonas or the decision to make him captain at all. He was part of the playing group that appointed Jonas. I just think he was stating the obvious, that as captain and one of our best two players we need him to be maintain form while stepping up into the role of captain. Addressing any concerns that had been expressed on her and by other supporters as to whether he would be able to take on the captaincy at his age and still play at the highest level.
Wines was, to all extents and purposes, the onfield captain this year. Whether he was approached about the captaincy or not I believe he has done the right thing in focusing on recapturing his form, providing for a smooth changing of the guard to our next generation. Good on him.
However the onus did not rest solely on him. It was up to the powers that be to take him aside and tell him objectively how things looked from the outside. I would have to think if this were handled properly that Jonas, a dual Fos Williams medalist, would have done the right thing.
At the beginning of the 2023 Jonas made it clear how the captaincy would be awarded:
"Obviously it’s a privilege to lead the club and I love it, and I’ll keep doing it for as long as they want me to, as long as the playing group and coaching group think I’m the man for the job."
Having been awarded the captaincy, Jonas obviously did the best he could with an ailing body but it was clear the wrong decision had been made.I don't think Rozee was having a dig at Jonas or the decision to make him captain at all. He was part of the playing group that appointed Jonas. I just think he was stating the obvious, that as captain and one of our best two players we need him to be maintain form while stepping up into the role of captain. Addressing any concerns that had been expressed on her and by other supporters as to whether he would be able to take on the captaincy at his age and still play at the highest level.
Wines was, to all extents and purposes, the onfield captain this year. Whether he was approached about the captaincy or not I believe he has done the right thing in focusing on recapturing his form, providing for a smooth changing of the guard to our next generation. Good on him.
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RussellEbertHandball
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So I did. I thought he was 24 come 1st April 1997.You missed Wanganeen
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With Tom Jonas moving on as Port Adelaide Football Club skipper, the easy decision would have been to make former co-captain, 2023 vice-captain and Brownlow medallist Ollie Wines captain and fellow 2023 vice-captain Darcy Byrne-Jones his deputy. Perhaps with one or two of the younger stars added...
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To have both the captain and the vice-captain bring it up in their first radio interviews and near the start shows that it is a very important aspect they wanted to bring up, whether it was their own ideas or a directive from the Power Propaganda, it is a little bit bizarre to talk about that specific element. There are much more interesting and pressing matters that a captain and vice-captain should want to express than their form.
I mean Tom Jonas was so bad last year he was dropped. I still remember the farce that was the carrying off of the captain when he didn't even play the game. Just a weird look.
And then to double down on form, Rozee is a two time All- Australian and Butters is an All-Australian and Coaches Player of the Year 2023. They are two of the most in form players in the comp.
For mine, it is a touch worrying, a touch, because I would prefer to hear Rozee talking about gunning for premierships, Butters too. But we have plenty of time to see how it works out.
Nah! You are reading too much into it!
It is a reality, and has been mentioned in every interview with them: 'How will you handle the Captaincy/Vice? Will it affect your game? The pressure of captaincy can, and in many cases does, easily affect the form of young captains. It is an industry fact, and is on the minds of everyone including the player themself .... "Will his form drop off?"
The boys mentioning it is just them getting in first, and has nothing to do with old-man Jonas reaching the end of his career. Their two situations are so far removed, it's not funny!
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I feel like it's a real partnership between Connor and Zak as Captain and VC, and the whole leadership group seems like a great mix. I recall a post match interview with Connor and Zak out on AO after one of this year's games and it sounded like the two of them were on a mission to get success for the team. Time will tell, I guess, but I think it's the best overall leadership group we've had in a long time.
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Where does this leave ollie Wines? lift the pressure like Boak, and improve his form. We lose him next year?
Does it even matter at this point? He was trash all of last year and the midfield was fine.
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if wines is poached by tasmania that will be a win on par with the suns taking krakouer
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I’ll make tears from your Wines.
Nooooooooooo!
To think that we wouldn't see midfield and AA Rozee if Carlton didn't kick our butts forcing us to experiment with Rozee in the midfield, followed by Hinkley and coaches taking credit for it and the club saying they were always about development
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Good luck getting any sleep in 8 or 9 months Connor.
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