List Mgmt. Pick #5 - Welcome Adam Cerra [Traded to Carlton for 6 & F3]

[Paracleet]

Williamstown and Coburg are both Metro based clubs. Ryan is Metro originally, Schultz is from a border town spending time in Victoria and NSW.

Id be careful calling the Dandenong boys Country. I think you’ll find they’re barely more than 50-100 km from the CBD. Mindset wise they could see themselves as Melbourne people but maybe not.

Stingrays ground is 30km from the CBD and the city extends 20 km past it. Forget the U18 comp borders: Sturt, Young and Ryan are Greater Melbourne.

 

[Docker82]

Stingrays ground is 30km from the CBD and the city extends 20 km past it. Forget the U18 comp borders: Sturt, Young and Ryan are Greater Melbourne.

Exactly my point. May have played for Vic Country but at least some of their players aren't actually from the Country.

 

[theGav56]

Stingrays ground is 30km from the CBD and the city extends 20 km past it. Forget the U18 comp borders: Sturt, Young and Ryan are Greater Melbourne.

It is nevertheless an interesting observation if statistically VC kids are actually being preferred by the club and/or are less likely to leave.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Hi, you seem to be a fatherless queer ( not really surprising).

I hope your fat ugly c hunt of a mother gets spit roasted by a pack of Samoan bouncers you dog.

Woah, woah, woah, let's not racially profile the humble bouncer now. Bouncers can be of any and all descents. Also, have you tried mindfulness...or maybe rubbing one out?

 

[Yeti]

From now on any vic kids must meet two criteria. Not in a relationship and already moved out of home. May solve the homesick/partner issue.

Do you have a partner? Yes? Okay next.

Then we wouldn't have Brayshaw.

It is nevertheless an interesting observation if statistically VC kids are actually being preferred by the club and/or are less likely to leave.

I don't think we would have enough data to figure that out. Cerra is the only good Metro player that left isn't he?

Few were crying over Langdon leaving, Crozier left and isn't B23 in a premiership side. Using Cerra as an excuse to not pick Vic Metro players which make up roughly half of the draftees is baffling.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Then we wouldn't have Brayshaw.



I don't think we would have enough data to figure that out. Cerra is the only good Metro player that left isn't he?

Few were crying over Langdon leaving, Crozier left and isn't B23 in a premiership side. Using Cerra as an excuse to not pick Vic Metro players which make up roughly half of the draftees is baffling.

I was crying over Langdon leaving

 

[nurries]

To be fair Cerra had go home all over him as soon as he was drafted. I know it was a Buddy thing to draft Andy and Cez together but Andy has the WA connection and would of fitted in i suspect even without Cez.

 

[Okinakashi]

For the last ******* time AFL.com.au, 'wantaway' isn't a word.

the Cambridge Dictionary disagrees with you.

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[Paracleet]

Exactly my point. May have played for Vic Country but at least some of their players aren't actually from the Country.

The population outside greater Melbourne is 1.7 million as against 5.1 million in it, so they just define a bunch of outer suburban areas as 'Country' to bring Vic Metro back to the pack a bit.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

I composed it in Scrabble once - it's definitely a word! =p

I'm joking people - take no notice of me! I'm a massive stirrer =)

 

[ImperialPurple]

Then we wouldn't have Brayshaw.



I don't think we would have enough data to figure that out. Cerra is the only good Metro player that left isn't he?

Few were crying over Langdon leaving, Crozier left and isn't B23 in a premiership side. Using Cerra as an excuse to not pick Vic Metro players which make up roughly half of the draftees is baffling.

I was crying over Langdon leaving

Me too!

the Cambridge Dictionary disagrees with you.

wantaway

1. used by sports journalists to refer to a football player who publicly says…

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"Used by sports journalists". And there you have exactly why it's not a real word.

 

[Yeti]

I was crying over Langdon leaving

Sure, but you also cried during The Room.

 

[Dockeroo]

I know people talk about how good we are at retaining Vic Metro kids but other than Brayshaw (and Cerra) do we have any others on our list currently?

Maybe Sam Switkowski but he was a mature age pick up from Box Hill.

The rest...

Mundy - Murray
Serong - Gippsland
Tucker - North Ballarat
Schultz - Williamstown
Sturt - Dandenong
Taberner - Murray
Treacy - Bendigo
Darcy - Geelong
Meek - GWV Rebels
Ryan - Coburg
Young - Dandenong

All Vic Country aren't they?

I live in Melbourne and I think it’s where the player grew up and where their family lives that’s important. Playing for VC at 18 means nothing.
sturt is from Mornington peninsula. Likewise Hayden young. They are like saying someone from Rockingham is a country kid in WA. Dandenong is one of the most densely populated suburbs in Australia. Ryan is from the inner north suburbs in Maribrynong park junior footy club actually - 5 min from my house and very much vic metro. On the other hand,Schultz is actually from NSW - moama which is across the bridge from Echuca.
serong is actually a guy I came across before he was drafted - worked with his best friends mom and she spoke a lot about him and Sam Flanders of GC. Caleb is from Warragul, a commuter town, about 90 min from the CBD on the train.

 

[wayToGo_]

I live in Melbourne and I think it’s where the player grew up and where their family lives that’s important. Playing for VC at 18 means nothing.
sturt is from Mornington peninsula. Likewise Hayden young. They are like saying someone from Rockingham is a country kid in WA. Dandenong is one of the most densely populated suburbs in Australia. Ryan is from the inner north suburbs in Maribrynong park junior footy club actually - 5 min from my house and very much vic metro. On the other hand,Schultz is actually from NSW - moama which is across the bridge from Echuca.
serong is actually a guy I came across before he was drafted - worked with his best friends mom and she spoke a lot about him and Sam Flanders of GC. Caleb is from Warragul, a commuter town, about 90 min from the CBD on the train.

**** me. You write a post, people manipulate it into saying something different and then we get a long thread of mostly meaningless drivel.

There was only one point. We don't have any Vic Metro players on our list except mature age recruits and Brayshaw (who has family in WA).

Therefore claiming we are good at retaining Vic Metro players isn't really based on reality. Meanwhile we've been very good at retaining players from Vic Country (and SA, TAS etc) - even if they lived relatively close to Melbourne. It also highlights we seem to generally avoid drafting Vic Metro players - given that the number on our list is nowhere near the proportion that are in each draft.

On a side note the Rockingham comparison is interesting because I would 100% expect the average kid from Rockingham to not need to cling on to their mother's teat far more than the average private school kid from metro Perth. There are always exceptions but the resilience people get growing up in outer suburbs is one of the few advantages they get in life.

 

[freo99]

fu** me. You write a post, people manipulate it into saying something different and then we get a long thread of mostly meaningless drivel.

There was only one point. We don't have any Vic Metro players on our list except mature age recruits and Brayshaw (who has family in WA).

Therefore claiming we are good at retaining Vic Metro players isn't really based on reality. Meanwhile we've been very good at retaining players from Vic Country (and SA, TAS etc) - even if they lived relatively close to Melbourne. It also highlights we seem to generally avoid drafting Vic Metro players - given that the number on our list is nowhere near the proportion that are in each draft.

On a side note the Rockingham comparison is interesting because I would 100% expect the average kid from Rockingham to not need to cling on to their mother's teat far more than the average private school kid from metro Perth. There are always exceptions but the resilience people get growing up in outer suburbs is one of the few advantages they get in life.

You’ve not many private school kids from Perth have you

 

[wayToGo_]

You’ve not many private school kids from Perth have you

Literally thousands. It's not meant as a massive insult to them. But they simply aren't as resilient by the nature of being so supported throughout their schooling. That's the whole point of private school - to provide additional support/opportunities beyond what public schools can provide. And again I will qualify that statement with there being exceptions - some private school kids have had to overcome extreme adversity and have built considerable resilience.

 

[Paracleet]

fu** me. You write a post, people manipulate it into saying something different and then we get a long thread of mostly meaningless drivel.

There was only one point. We don't have any Vic Metro players on our list except mature age recruits and Brayshaw (who has family in WA).

Therefore claiming we are good at retaining Vic Metro players isn't really based on reality. Meanwhile we've been very good at retaining players from Vic Country (and SA, TAS etc) - even if they lived relatively close to Melbourne. It also highlights we seem to generally avoid drafting Vic Metro players - given that the number on our list is nowhere near the proportion that are in each draft.

On a side note the Rockingham comparison is interesting because I would 100% expect the average kid from Rockingham to not need to cling on to their mother's teat far more than the average private school kid from metro Perth. There are always exceptions but the resilience people get growing up in outer suburbs is one of the few advantages they get in life.

Lol, tell us all exactly at what distance from the CBD do our retention issues begin? 15? 20? 22.5? Or is it more of a continuum? Your original post had Coburg as the country: Pointing out that and other things were wrong is not 'manipulation'.

 

[wayToGo_]

Lol, tell us all exactly at what distance from the CBD do our retention issues begin? 15? 20? 22.5? Or is it more of a continuum? Your original post had Coburg as the country: Pointing out that and other things were wrong is not 'manipulation'.

If you want to provide something remotely useful at some time feel free otherwise I have little interest in more drivel.

 

[Dale147]

Cez

 

[freo99]

Literally thousands. It's not meant as a massive insult to them. But they simply aren't as resilient by the nature of being so supported throughout their schooling. That's the whole point of private school - to provide additional support/opportunities beyond what public schools can provide. And again I will qualify that statement with there being exceptions - some private school kids have had to overcome extreme adversity and have built considerable resilience.

Most people who send their kids to private school want the best for their kids.

The ex private school boys that I’ve met set certainly don’t fit into that description.
One of my best friends at high school, and he was amongst the tougher kids their, went to
Scotch College yrs 11-12 and was adamant that the average kid at Scotch was a lot tougher
and harder than his government counterpart.

 

[Taylor]

I think the temperament of young men is reflected in their environment, fostered by it, but they brought most of it to the party before being influenced by it.

What you see with the private/government school situation is the support structures around the private school allowing young men with less mongrel and less drive to make it later in the dance contest before getting tapped on the shoulder. The government school kid has less support so you see more successful fighters making it.

The overall is that there is more success out of private school than government, but someone that really wants it will get it no matter where they started.

The cost is that the moderate talent and drive will succeed at private school but go completely missing in government school pathways.

 

[freo99]

I think the temperament of young men is reflected in their environment, fostered by it, but they brought most of it to the party before being influenced by it.

What you see with the private/government school situation is the support structures around the private school allowing young men with less mongrel and less drive to make it later in the dance contest before getting tapped on the shoulder. The government school kid has less support so you see more successful fighters making it.

The overall is that there is more success out of private school than government, but someone that really wants it will get it no matter where they started.

The cost is that the moderate talent and drive will succeed at private school but go completely missing in government school pathways.

My wife is a chaplain at a government school, besides her their are school psychs, community nurses, school support/youth workers, year coordinators, student services managers, EA’s and modified timetables.

Thats not to mention all of the massive programs and professional speakers that come in.

 

[Wabjub]

Then we wouldn't have Brayshaw.



I don't think we would have enough data to figure that out. Cerra is the only good Metro player that left isn't he?

Few were crying over Langdon leaving, Crozier left and isn't B23 in a premiership side. Using Cerra as an excuse to not pick Vic Metro players which make up roughly half of the draftees is baffling.

Man the comment was tounge in cheek... you can't have be in a relationship or live with your parents or you won't be drafted???

Then again some of the posts here are real so it's hard to tell. Baffling.

 

[Big Animal]

private schools are like corporate boxes (my kids go to one). You still see the same game but you pay more for fancier digs, you have to dress up more, get a few extra perks, so you can tell others about it, and hang around other corporate box types; But you can also still act like a clown and get thrown out or miss the game caught up in other BS meaning making it a waste of money.

 

[Purple Jesus]

the Cambridge Dictionary disagrees with you.

wantaway

1. used by sports journalists to refer to a football player who publicly says…

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I live in Cambridge and I say no.