List Mgmt. Pick #5 - Welcome Adam Cerra [Traded to Carlton for 6 & F3]

[Dockeroo]

fu** me. You write a post, people manipulate it into saying something different and then we get a long thread of mostly meaningless drivel.

There was only one point. We don't have any Vic Metro players on our list except mature age recruits and Brayshaw (who has family in WA).

Therefore claiming we are good at retaining Vic Metro players isn't really based on reality. Meanwhile we've been very good at retaining players from Vic Country (and SA, TAS etc) - even if they lived relatively close to Melbourne. It also highlights we seem to generally avoid drafting Vic Metro players - given that the number on our list is nowhere near the proportion that are in each draft.

On a side note the Rockingham comparison is interesting because I would 100% expect the average kid from Rockingham to not need to cling on to their mother's teat far more than the average private school kid from metro Perth. There are always exceptions but the resilience people get growing up in outer suburbs is one of the few advantages they get in life.

I think this is all a moot point anyway. The Fremantle list management have clearly demonstrated over many years now that the origin of a player is of very low relevance to them when it comes to picking players. Lots of people seem to think picking Cerra was a mistake (not saying you do at all btw). I don’t think it was mistake and in fact it was a great example of identifying a player probably in the top 3 in the pool in terms of talent with a pick 5. For all the talk of Naughton, he was utterly anonymous in the biggest game of his career last Saturday and has plenty of major flaws in his game to improve on such as set shot goal kicking, while Oscar Allen has had a pretty ordinary season too this year. I feel like Cerra will have a better career than both in the long run. It’s clear to me that he came under enormous pressure from his girlfriend especially and family to leave. Pav basically said he didn’t want to leave but was influenced by his family. It’s bad luck for us, but we will get decent draft capital to replace him. It’s not going to stop the club selecting a VM player in future, not should it.

 

[WilloTree]

I think this is all a moot point anyway. The Fremantle list management have clearly demonstrated over many years now that the origin of a player is of very low relevance to them when it comes to picking players. Lots of people seem to think picking Cerra was a mistake (not saying you do at all btw). I don’t think it was mistake and in fact it was a great example of identifying a player probably in the top 3 in the pool in terms of talent with a pick 5. For all the talk of Naughton, he was utterly anonymous in the biggest game of his career last Saturday and has plenty of major flaws in his game to improve on such as set shot goal kicking, while Oscar Allen has had a pretty ordinary season too this year. I feel like Cerra will have a better career than both in the long run. It’s clear to me that he came under enormous pressure from his girlfriend especially and family to leave. Pav basically said he didn’t want to leave but was influenced by his family. It’s bad luck for us, but we will get decent draft capital to replace him. It’s not going to stop the club selecting a VM player in future, not should it.

I agree it's all moot.

I know I'm being a Captain Hindsight here, but I don't think anyone who saw our forwards this year could argue Cerra was a better pick than Naughton or Allen.

 

[anchor man]

I agree it's all moot.

I know I'm being a Captain Hindsight here, but I don't think anyone who saw our forwards this year could argue Cerra was a better pick than Naughton or Allen.

This is not about our forwards, it is about Cerra.

 

[bushchook]

I think this is all a moot point anyway. The Fremantle list management have clearly demonstrated over many years now that the origin of a player is of very low relevance to them when it comes to picking players. Lots of people seem to think picking Cerra was a mistake (not saying you do at all btw). I don’t think it was mistake and in fact it was a great example of identifying a player probably in the top 3 in the pool in terms of talent with a pick 5. For all the talk of Naughton, he was utterly anonymous in the biggest game of his career last Saturday and has plenty of major flaws in his game to improve on such as set shot goal kicking, while Oscar Allen has had a pretty ordinary season too this year. I feel like Cerra will have a better career than both in the long run. It’s clear to me that he came under enormous pressure from his girlfriend especially and family to leave. Pav basically said he didn’t want to leave but was influenced by his family. It’s bad luck for us, but we will get decent draft capital to replace him. It’s not going to stop the club selecting a VM player in future, not should it.

Vic Metro players are around 600% more likely to want to go back to play in Melbourne than players from any other region. If this isn't affecting our recruiting choices, it should be.

 

[freo99]

Lot of talk about Richmond moving up the draft this year, do the top 5 project better than Cerra.

I don’t think so.

 

[simpsonwillo]

Most people who send their kids to private school want the best for their kids.

The ex private school boys that I’ve met set certainly don’t fit into that description.
One of my best friends at high school, and he was amongst the tougher kids their, went to
Scotch College yrs 11-12 and was adamant that the average kid at Scotch was a lot tougher
and harder than his government counterpart.

Its true, kids need a lot of resilience at these private schools. Plenty can’t hack it and end up leaving to go to a govt school.

 

[freo99]

Its true, kids need a lot of resilience at these private schools. Plenty can’t hack it and end up leaving to go to a govt school.

Ala Churchlands

 

[theGav56]

Lot of talk about Richmond moving up the draft this year, do the top 5 project better than Cerra.

I don’t think so.

It is the season for lots of talk though.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

There is no way a 21 year old should be selecting what club he/she wants to be traded to. In any professional sport. That's why it's called professional sport.

Cerra wants to leave? Fine, he is out of contract. But the club is bigger than any player.

 

[FreoRicci]

SOS taking a lot of shit isn’t he? Goddamn. Proposing Carlton shouldn’t trade for him and push Cerra to go preseason draft route. Stuff that. Freo would get any other Victorians involved. Cerra is still going home regardless

 

[mr.11]

Do picks 6 and 25 get it done?

I think it might be

Pick 6, Pick 25 and Future 4th
For
Cerra and Future 3rd or 4th

 

[ChimpaWompa]

SOS taking a lot of sh*t isn’t he? Goddamn. Proposing Carlton shouldn’t trade for him and push Cerra to go preseason draft route. Stuff that. Freo would get any other Victorians involved. Cerra is still going home regardless

yup, Carlton is a means to an end for Cerra, doubt he would be fussed letting another Vic club picking him if it came to that

 

[Andy Brennan]

hey wait, do you think we are going to far with the blakely stuff this did happen like 4 years ago.

If only he'd kept it up and rooted cerra's gf too

 

[Michael Corleone]

If only he'd kept it up and rooted cerra's gf too

More power to him if so.

 

[Van_Dyke]

SOS taking a lot of sh*t isn’t he? Goddamn. Proposing Carlton shouldn’t trade for him and push Cerra to go preseason draft route. Stuff that. Freo would get any other Victorians involved. Cerra is still going home regardless

sos is probably hoping for that threat to make trade week interesting

 

[apuchar]

There is no way a 21 year old should be selecting what club he/she wants to be traded to. In any professional sport. That's why it's called professional sport.

Cerra wants to leave? Fine, he is out of contract. But the club is bigger than any player.

He didn't really. He said Victoria.

 

[mightymouse75]

Williamstown and Coburg are both Metro based clubs. Ryan is Metro originally, Schultz is from a border town spending time in Victoria and NSW.

Id be careful calling the Dandenong boys Country. I think you’ll find they’re barely more than 50-100 km from the CBD. Mindset wise they could see themselves as Melbourne people but maybe not.

50 minutes on the train from Dandenong station.

 

[mightymouse75]

Then we wouldn't have Brayshaw.



I don't think we would have enough data to figure that out. Cerra is the only good Metro player that left isn't he?

Few were crying over Langdon leaving, Crozier left and isn't B23 in a premiership side. Using Cerra as an excuse to not pick Vic Metro players which make up roughly half of the draftees is baffling.

I cried when Langdon left for peanuts.
I cried when Crozier left for peanuts.
I cried when Balic left, troy Simonds, Chris Tarrant, Jeff white, Dylan Roberton. I cried & I cried..

 

[Yeti]

I cried when Langdon left for peanuts.
I cried when Crozier left for peanuts.
I cried when Balic left, troy Simonds, Chris Tarrant, Jeff white, Dylan Roberton. I cried & I cried..

Hey Cerra, Cerra

 

[Docker82]

50 minutes on the train from Dandenong station.

Some people would say that being on the Melbourne public transport network makes a place part of Melbourne.

 

[WilloTree]

Hey Cerra, Cerra

dammit

Now I keep reading his name as Sera. As in...

 

[Purple Jesus]

I cried when Langdon left for peanuts.
I cried when Crozier left for peanuts.
I cried when Balic left, troy Simonds, Chris Tarrant, Jeff white, Dylan Roberton. I cried & I cried..

Funny, all of those that left have a certain... personality... in common.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

He didn't really. He said Victoria.

So what's this Carlton thing about?

 

[apuchar]

So what's this Carlton thing about?

I think we told him to find a club that he wanted to go to that would be able to satisfy our trade demands

 

[TENACIOUS]

Idiots on Trade radio saying pick six and be happy with it or he should walk to the national draft.

Then proceeded to gloat about all the players ‘SOS’ traded in from GWS to Carlton while acknowledging that most of them aren’t even playing at all any more.

I’ll just add that SOS and Barrett are flogs.

Pardon the intrusion... Be gentle

Don't worry about those flogs, their job is to elicit a reaction out of you...
Carlton are fair to deal with and we will work out a deal that suits us both..

Deal will get done and not through the draft, what it will be who knows...