Strategy Pick trades 2020

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Noiret said:
There will be quite a few passes between 32 + 71. Hawthorn need to add 5, and their 3rd, 4th & 5th picks are 45, 46 + 49, Geelong & the Eagles need to take 1 each, Carlton 2. Melbourne will probably take pick 50, Richmond can add 4 players and their 2nd & 3rd picks are 36 & 61. Picks belonging to Bulldogs, Swans, Port, Essendon, Collishambles, Freo will be used matching. Gold Coast, Brisbane and the Saints have fairly full lists and will probably pass. The Crows can add 7, but that will probably mean picks 1, 9, 22 + 23, matching 40 for Newchurch, 1 of the father-sons & Hately in the PSD. GWS can add 5, but their 5th pick is 29.
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We are more likely to use 40 to match on Borlase & rookie Newchurch if still available.

Also, talk we may only use 3 of our 1st 4 picks & look to trade one.
 
Pykie said:
Hogan?
Lobb?
Wilson?
McCarthy?
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Hogan was pushed out of Melbourne.

McCarthy was poached by stupid money and a flop.

Lobb and Wilson weren't getting the coin they were worth due to GWS galaxy of stars.

Yeo moved as the Lions low balled his contract not because he wanted to move back to WA, Freo werent even interested.

People who think WA kids are flight risks due to go home factor need to read more.

There are.some but few and far between.
 
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Noiret said:
Assuming North want 5 picks (33 on list at present), they should offer 2 to GC for 5, 27 + 37, then swab 37 + 39 for 32 with Freo which would be better with Freo for their NGA picks. North go from 2 + 11 + 30 + 39 + 71 -> 5 + 11 + 27 + 30 + 32. They gain 51 places on picks 3-5.
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Isn't that just North sliding back three spots at the pointy end of the draft, and picks 39 and 71, for picks 27 and 32? 32 will drift back and 71 will come forward as teams, such as GC, pass on picks. Not a very attractive deal.
 

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unplugged said:
I can see this happening but for Dodoro to then bid on McInnes with either of those 2 top ten picks they retain 😂
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It would certainly require a 'hand shake' agreement to tempt the pies.

They need to maximize their draft hand this year and bank points next year. Likely to carry a debt of a 200-400 points into 2021 after matching mcinnes. From all reports daicos gets matched as a f/s next year with a very early pick which will need around 2000 points for that too. No point carrying their first round pick for points into next year when you can bank them now....

Despite the the bleed in trade period if pies can get a top 10 and late first round pick this year along with mcinnes then match for daicos and pick up a free agent (likely merrett unfortunately for us) next year all of a sudden their strategy looks effective
 
firsttimeposter said:
It would certainly require a 'hand shake' agreement to tempt the pies.

They need to maximize their draft hand this year and bank points next year. Likely to carry a debt of a 200-400 points into 2021 after matching mcinnes. From all reports daicos gets matched as a f/s next year with a very early pick which will need around 2000 points for that too. No point carrying their first round pick for points into next year when you can bank them now....

Despite the the bleed in trade period if pies can get a top 10 and late first round pick this year along with mcinnes then match for daicos and pick up a free agent (likely merrett unfortunately for us) next year all of a sudden their strategy looks effective
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If played sensibly clubs can bounce back pretty quickly.
 
firsttimeposter said:
It would certainly require a 'hand shake' agreement to tempt the pies.

They need to maximize their draft hand this year and bank points next year. Likely to carry a debt of a 200-400 points into 2021 after matching mcinnes. From all reports daicos gets matched as a f/s next year with a very early pick which will need around 2000 points for that too. No point carrying their first round pick for points into next year when you can bank them now....

Despite the the bleed in trade period if pies can get a top 10 and late first round pick this year along with mcinnes then match for daicos and pick up a free agent (likely merrett unfortunately for us) next year all of a sudden their strategy looks effective
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With the current points system, downgrades increase points by 20-50%.

Magpies would be silly to go into deficit on 2021 first round pick.

Not sure what the solution is, as I don't know where McInnes will go in the draft.
 
firsttimeposter said:
It would certainly require a 'hand shake' agreement to tempt the pies.

They need to maximize their draft hand this year and bank points next year. Likely to carry a debt of a 200-400 points into 2021 after matching mcinnes. From all reports daicos gets matched as a f/s next year with a very early pick which will need around 2000 points for that too. No point carrying their first round pick for points into next year when you can bank them now....

Despite the the bleed in trade period if pies can get a top 10 and late first round pick this year along with mcinnes then match for daicos and pick up a free agent (likely merrett unfortunately for us) next year all of a sudden their strategy looks effective
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Not sure anyone would be trusting a hand shake agreement with the Pies currently. Might want to get something in writing.
 
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...t/news-story/f7fb074b17fa426c6c6fcd1887e79987

North Melbourne rules out trading pick 2, will take strong hand to draft. North Melbourne considered trading pick 2, but put a high price on the deal. Now the Roos have settled on their draft strategy.

Jon Ralph
November 30, 2020 - 9:31PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


North Melbourne is set to take its No.2 overall selection to the draft and will leave two list spots vacant for the summer rookie period and 2021 mid-season draft.

The Roos were open to trading that selection to a club like Essendon or Gold Coast, which had been keen to secure one of the enticing key-position players at the top end of the draft.

North Melbourne would have required two top-10 selections or a top-five selection and another early pick to broker that trade.

But Essendon is unwilling to hand over two of its trio of highly-prized selections at six, seven and eight and Gold Coast’s next selection after No.5 is in the second round at No.27.

It means the Roos will take their best selection since No.2 pick Daniel Wells where the cream of the crop reside, with one of key-position players Logan McDonald and Riley Thilthorpe or star midfielder Elijah Hollands to be available.

WA goalkicker McDonald would slot in alongside Nick Larkey and Cam Zurhaar, SANFL prodigy Thilthorpe would play forward and be Todd Goldstein’s eventual replacement, and Victorian Hollands is seen as a midfield star in the making.

The Roos will then have the No.11 pick to secure another elite talent and will take five selections overall: 2, 11, 30, 39 and 71.

South Australian junior key-position star Riley Thilthorpe could be available at North Melbourne’s pick 2. They will add those picks to their trade and free agency haul which includes Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi, Aidan Corr and Lachie Young.


The Herald Sun understands the Roos will pay all of Stephenson’s contract despite speculation the Pies might be forced to hand over a portion of his wage in the same manner as the Adam Treloar trade.

The Roos were happy to be on the hook for his entire salary, renegotiated into a five-year $2.5 million deal, given they gave up a modest pick for Stephenson and Bosenavulagi.

The Pies received picks 26, 33 and a future fourth-round selection in exchange for the pair and pick 39.

Pundits wondered why the Roos had delisted 11 players early on but it has given them list room to bring in that quartet of players.

As a club likely to be in the bottom handful of clubs early in the year given their rebuild, the mid-season draft has massive appeal for the Roos.

They can secure a player overlooked in the draft due to the lack of exposure to Victorian teenagers this year in Round 4, 8 or 12 under rules that will be made official by the AFL in coming weeks.

The Roos will also clear a list spot to allow a player to train with them from January 6 onwards with a view to putting them onto their list by the start of the 2021 season.
 
Northernsoul74 said:
Not sure anyone would be trusting a hand shake agreement with the Pies currently. Might want to get something in writing.
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Definitely! Though if you're referring to the treloar trade i have no doubt you guys have pulled the wool over the pies eyes.....

You've offloaded a first rounder this year for their picks which nets you an extra 500 points for JUH this year. Which is about par given adelaide's 22 and 23 was the most likely viable pick swap would've netted you a similar 'points profit.'

But then a future 2nd rounder for treloar is certainly unders unless pies genuinely thought they were dumping more than two thirds of his salary. I find it hard to picture them agreeing to commit to 1.5mil of his salary over 5 years for a 2021 pick between 28-32 which will just be absorbed as points for daicos.

Well done to Sam Power and Ameet Bains for manufacturing that!!!!
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...t/news-story/f7fb074b17fa426c6c6fcd1887e79987

North Melbourne rules out trading pick 2, will take strong hand to draft. North Melbourne considered trading pick 2, but put a high price on the deal. Now the Roos have settled on their draft strategy.

Jon Ralph
November 30, 2020 - 9:31PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


North Melbourne is set to take its No.2 overall selection to the draft and will leave two list spots vacant for the summer rookie period and 2021 mid-season draft.

The Roos were open to trading that selection to a club like Essendon or Gold Coast, which had been keen to secure one of the enticing key-position players at the top end of the draft.

North Melbourne would have required two top-10 selections or a top-five selection and another early pick to broker that trade.

But Essendon is unwilling to hand over two of its trio of highly-prized selections at six, seven and eight and Gold Coast’s next selection after No.5 is in the second round at No.27.

It means the Roos will take their best selection since No.2 pick Daniel Wells where the cream of the crop reside, with one of key-position players Logan McDonald and Riley Thilthorpe or star midfielder Elijah Hollands to be available.

WA goalkicker McDonald would slot in alongside Nick Larkey and Cam Zurhaar, SANFL prodigy Thilthorpe would play forward and be Todd Goldstein’s eventual replacement, and Victorian Hollands is seen as a midfield star in the making.

The Roos will then have the No.11 pick to secure another elite talent and will take five selections overall: 2, 11, 30, 39 and 71.

South Australian junior key-position star Riley Thilthorpe could be available at North Melbourne’s pick 2. They will add those picks to their trade and free agency haul which includes Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi, Aidan Corr and Lachie Young.


The Herald Sun understands the Roos will pay all of Stephenson’s contract despite speculation the Pies might be forced to hand over a portion of his wage in the same manner as the Adam Treloar trade.

The Roos were happy to be on the hook for his entire salary, renegotiated into a five-year $2.5 million deal, given they gave up a modest pick for Stephenson and Bosenavulagi.

The Pies received picks 26, 33 and a future fourth-round selection in exchange for the pair and pick 39.

Pundits wondered why the Roos had delisted 11 players early on but it has given them list room to bring in that quartet of players.

As a club likely to be in the bottom handful of clubs early in the year given their rebuild, the mid-season draft has massive appeal for the Roos.

They can secure a player overlooked in the draft due to the lack of exposure to Victorian teenagers this year in Round 4, 8 or 12 under rules that will be made official by the AFL in coming weeks.

The Roos will also clear a list spot to allow a player to train with them from January 6 onwards with a view to putting them onto their list by the start of the 2021 season.
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Curious to know how essendon fans feel about taking 2&6 into the draft instead of 6,7,8.
 
FlyHigh18 said:
Curious to know how essendon fans feel about taking 2&6 into the draft instead of 6,7,8.
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Would depend who the Crows take surely. McDonald seems a perfect fit for Essendon but won't he go at 1 (or 2 after JUH bid)? If so what's the point for Essendon? Could get a range of Phillips (if he slides), Perkins, Cox/whatever tall.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Would depend who the Crows take surely. McDonald seems a perfect fit for Essendon but won't he go at 1 (or 2 after JUH bid)? If so what's the point for Essendon? Could get a range of Phillips (if he slides), Perkins, Cox/whatever tall.
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Reading their board, I think they are more relieved, rather than despondent.

The feeling is mutual on the North board. The club and the posters wanted overs, no one was willing to pay what North deemed was required.
 

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The only way I see us trading out Pick 4 would be under scenarios like:

Collingwood: Picks 14, 16 and F1
GWS: Picks 10, 13, 15/F1

Personally I'm not opposed to either keeping it or trading it in lines with something like the above and while GWS would be providing better selections this year, I believe that Collingwood may very well slide and offer a substantially better F1 in a stronger draft.

Or we could just take our best selection in almost two decades to the draft and end up with either of Hollands, McDonald, Phillips or Thilthorpe 🤩
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...t/news-story/f7fb074b17fa426c6c6fcd1887e79987

North Melbourne rules out trading pick 2, will take strong hand to draft. North Melbourne considered trading pick 2, but put a high price on the deal. Now the Roos have settled on their draft strategy.

Jon Ralph
November 30, 2020 - 9:31PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


North Melbourne is set to take its No.2 overall selection to the draft and will leave two list spots vacant for the summer rookie period and 2021 mid-season draft.

The Roos were open to trading that selection to a club like Essendon or Gold Coast, which had been keen to secure one of the enticing key-position players at the top end of the draft.

North Melbourne would have required two top-10 selections or a top-five selection and another early pick to broker that trade.

But Essendon is unwilling to hand over two of its trio of highly-prized selections at six, seven and eight and Gold Coast’s next selection after No.5 is in the second round at No.27.

It means the Roos will take their best selection since No.2 pick Daniel Wells where the cream of the crop reside, with one of key-position players Logan McDonald and Riley Thilthorpe or star midfielder Elijah Hollands to be available.

WA goalkicker McDonald would slot in alongside Nick Larkey and Cam Zurhaar, SANFL prodigy Thilthorpe would play forward and be Todd Goldstein’s eventual replacement, and Victorian Hollands is seen as a midfield star in the making.

The Roos will then have the No.11 pick to secure another elite talent and will take five selections overall: 2, 11, 30, 39 and 71.

South Australian junior key-position star Riley Thilthorpe could be available at North Melbourne’s pick 2. They will add those picks to their trade and free agency haul which includes Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi, Aidan Corr and Lachie Young.


The Herald Sun understands the Roos will pay all of Stephenson’s contract despite speculation the Pies might be forced to hand over a portion of his wage in the same manner as the Adam Treloar trade.

The Roos were happy to be on the hook for his entire salary, renegotiated into a five-year $2.5 million deal, given they gave up a modest pick for Stephenson and Bosenavulagi.

The Pies received picks 26, 33 and a future fourth-round selection in exchange for the pair and pick 39.

Pundits wondered why the Roos had delisted 11 players early on but it has given them list room to bring in that quartet of players.

As a club likely to be in the bottom handful of clubs early in the year given their rebuild, the mid-season draft has massive appeal for the Roos.

They can secure a player overlooked in the draft due to the lack of exposure to Victorian teenagers this year in Round 4, 8 or 12 under rules that will be made official by the AFL in coming weeks.

The Roos will also clear a list spot to allow a player to train with them from January 6 onwards with a view to putting them onto their list by the start of the 2021 season.
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I would've thought Pick 7 and 8 is probably a bargain for pick 2?

Looking back at any draft, its pretty rare to spot 2x consecutive picks between pick 6-10 that have both turned out like stars.

Freo look to have done very well picking Young/Serong at Pick 7 and 8 last year... so it can definitely be done. But outside the top 5 you're odds of picking someone who doesnt make it increases dramatically.

Pick 2 almost guarantees are top quality young player.

Perhaps not so much this year outside the first pick.
 
Neale4brownlow said:
I would've thought Pick 7 and 8 is probably a bargain for pick 2?

Looking back at any draft, its pretty rare to spot 2x consecutive picks between pick 6-10 that have both turned out like stars.

Freo look to have done very well picking Young/Serong at Pick 7 and 8 last year... so it can definitely be done. But outside the top 5 you're odds of picking someone who doesnt make it increases dramatically.

Pick 2 almost guarantees are top quality young player.

Perhaps not so much this year outside the first pick.
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North certainly had a target in mind with 2. Any of the rated top 6 would help the club.

Essendon will back themselves in on nailing at least 2 of their three higher picks.
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
North certainly had a target in mind with 2. Any of the rated top 6 would help the club.

Essendon will back themselves in on nailing at least 2 of their three higher picks.
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Sorry I meant it would be a bargain for Dons.

I would definitely want and expect North to keep Pick 2. Much better odds of finding a 200+ game A-grade player.
 
Crow till I die said:
so did Essendon knock back an offer from collingwood for pick 8 for their pick 16 and 2021 1st?

Gee, I hope they come to the crows with an offer like that for pick 9 as I don't see a massive gap from there to the early 20's in terms of the sort of player able to be taken
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Only then for Essendon to bid on Reef McInnes with Pick 8 and force Collingwood to match 🤯
 
Obeanie1 said:
Hogan was pushed out of Melbourne.

McCarthy was poached by stupid money and a flop.

Lobb and Wilson weren't getting the coin they were worth due to GWS galaxy of stars.

Yeo moved as the Lions low balled his contract not because he wanted to move back to WA, Freo werent even interested.

People who think WA kids are flight risks due to go home factor need to read more.

There are.some but few and far between.
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Yeah outside of TK can't think of one that asked to leave the cats really. Taylor and Duncan could have picked up big money contracts potentially
 

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