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TheBrownDog
I'm not going to have Deledio or Hodge, and I'm considering not having Sandi.
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Surely Deledio is a lock if hes a back, which is quite a fair chance of happening
I agree with the other 2. Also having 1/3 of your team the same is nothing. Having 4 layers different makes a huge difference from where you rank. It can separate you by more than you think and a few thousand spots.
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TheBrownDog
Why is Deledio going to be any better next year than he was this year?
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- #554
He doesnt really have to get any better?? If your going on this basis i guess you wouldnt be picking players like Enright, Swan ect (get my jist).
To get a player in the backs who can avg 90+ probably 100+ who is also expected to move back into the middle and has played 66 of the last 66 games in his career eg: durability. The least he will give you next year is an avg 90 from a player with unquestionable durability in the backs.
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TheBrownDog
He's not a terrible option, but I hardly think someone who averaged 90 last year and there's no particular reason why he's going to average anything more than 90 this year is a 'lock'.
And no, I won't be picking Enright, but that's because I'm steering clear of all Geelong players this year. I don't trust them.
And no, I won't be picking Enright, but that's because I'm steering clear of all Geelong players this year. I don't trust them.
He has been pretty durable in the past, though the tape he gets covered with these days is worrying.
The thing about Richmond is that their back 6 probably isnt strong enough to warrant them simply playing man on man for the majority of the time. Theres likely to be someone loose back there IMO. Not sure how they are coached down there, but its possible they could be instructed to feed it to whoever is in that quarterback role - but there are a bunch of players at every club that can slip in here. Depending on how Hodge/Goddard are classified, 90 could be very solid in the backline, particularly if its durable, and there being a couple of keepers/premiums who could/will slide in 2011 (IMO) - Lake, Enright, Harbrow just to name a couple.
The other thing is, I am noticing a few coaches like to tutor their young guns for a season for the long term. Gibbs and Deledio are examples of guys who got stuck in the back half a fair bit in 2010 despite there being limited competition for midfield spots in their respective sides (particularly players of their quality, and who can produce what they have produced in the past). Id reckon they get sent back there to gain an appreciation of how a side clicks - particularly from the back half - and to gain experience in the defensive side of their game. Now that they have had that season, theres no reason why they wont get flicked back through the midfield a LOT more, which should see an increase in scoring.
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- #557
Both would be in my side and my plans for next year where ever they are positioned.
Positioning becomes very important.
Both should average 90+, keeper numbers for the backline. The improvement is there, especially with Deledio who is being developed to have some versatility.
You'd be crazy not to consider two midfield premiums (in the past) who are backline eligble.
Both should average 90+, keeper numbers for the backline. The improvement is there, especially with Deledio who is being developed to have some versatility.
You'd be crazy not to consider two midfield premiums (in the past) who are backline eligble.
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How much do you see them improving then? If they're only midfielders then an 95-100 average is not good enough imo.
back eligibility.
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TheBrownDog
I'm not looking for someone who scored 90 last year and will score 90 again this year.
Even if their back eligibility would have made them one of the top 7 scoring backs in the league?
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TheBrownDog
Maybe as an upgrade target, but not initially. I'd rather spend the money on someone who'll go from 80 to 85 and then use the surplus cash to get a true 110+ scoring midfield gun in.
With 4 extra trades, and the additional salary that 3 extra bench players will provide- the game has changed. Tweaking out an extra 5 ppg out of a sub-premium used to work. But when given so much extra by the folk at VS this year, anything but a near perfect team, will be an also ran this year I reckon!
I see what you're getting at gopower, but who's to say Deledio won't improve himself. Certainly possible, learning how to deal with the tag, an improving side with more time in that Richmond midfield leads me to believe he could be a pick that hasn't quite reached his scoring potential, in 2010 anyway. If he's named as a back, he's just about a lock for mine.
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- #567
Ive always said that Deledio has/will avg 100 one day in a DT year. So thats what i see in upside from him. Im not saying it will come next year, but a move into the midfield and the fact he doesnt even need to improve if hes a back. I certainly wont pick Lids as a midfielder but im saying if hes a back hes just about a lock.
Gibbs i will be happy to take as a mid if he moves back into the midfield. Not sure what he ended up avg in 2010 but in 2009 when scoring was naturally lower he avg 107 and many thought he could again go to another level. A ball magnet back in under 18's it just hasnt quite come into his AFL yet, but experience will give him this and we will start to see those mid 20 possession games turn into more consistant high 20's and low 30's. Should one day be a genuine accumulator of the footy as a true onballer. I see his upside to about 112 - again not saying it will come next year, but i see plenty of improvement from this year.
The other thing that makes lids have mroe upside is his durability. With teams having byes cover is more important than ever.
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Gibbs, if given back eligibility isn't a lock for mine, still some uncertainty on his role. I don't want past scoring to cloud my decision on picking him too much, Deledio was able to hold up great scoring levels in the backline, someone like Gibbs struggled to accumulate in the backline (used the ball well however), and if Carlton decide to continue his development in the back half you'd almost want to avoid.
The extra cash that will be generated by the bigger bench means that waiting for cashcows to fully fatten (B/E <=> average score) is probably not going to cut it in 2011. If fact cashcows could be traded as soon as they move into positive B/E territory. Alternatively you could wait for a minimum amount of accumulated cashcow value (e.g. 150k) and then look to offload.
With the extra cash and trades available, teams will be finalised earlier in 2011.
Agree, although this was happening in 2010 due to the generous MN. Many teams were full of keepers by round 12-13. There was an abundance of solid rookies coming through in the first half of the season last year which also helped.
As you say RNS it might be a situation of taking the cash and running before a cash cow tops out due to the additional trades however we will also have to find a balance with rookies who have decent job security or DPP to ensure adequate cover for the byes while maintaining a steady flow of cash for upgrades.
The overall winner in 2011 will definitely have worked hard for it (not taking anything away from previous winners)!
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TheBrownDog
These are the sort of things that will make me consider picking him. TBH he'd probably be in my current planteam if not for budget constraints, I'm just not sure he's a 'lock'.
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Wow if Gibbs is a back than ill be locking him in very quickly if hes fit and healthy and gets through preseason.
Uncertainty in his role - Lots of talk about a move back into the midfield which i showed could mean a 110 avg if he is there full time. If not in the midfield he plays the halfback flank quarterback type role. Doesnt get massive numbers disposal wise, but still avg 96 or 97 last year. His durability is also as good as it gets and i would rate it alot better than Deledios even though they have similar amount of games played and missed in the past 3-4 years. Basically i say this because Deledio is carrying alot of tape and has had little problems like an elbow IIRC, a finger ect. Nothing major and hes continued to play on but has shown signs of missing games in the future.
I think some people miss the point in getting a potential midfielder in the backline who has unquestionable durability and avg 97 in that role last year. I just cant seem to see how he can go too far backwards. Similar as to why people picked Enright, Goddard ect last year. Not many though they had much improvement but getting a player who you can rely on as a premium/keeper with great durability especially in the backs is hard to get.
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Will be paying attention to the spotlight sidekicks.
No doubt the big names will perform like Ablett, Swan, Pendles, Selwood etc. However enter a spotlight sidekick such as Prismall, Winderlich, Jackson, Swallow.
Will be hoping one of these guys will take the step from the high 90's to crack the ton and become a top 5 mid that will put you ahead of the rest!
Which one would you pick?
Activ8's hot tip....... Daniel Jackson.
No doubt the big names will perform like Ablett, Swan, Pendles, Selwood etc. However enter a spotlight sidekick such as Prismall, Winderlich, Jackson, Swallow.
Will be hoping one of these guys will take the step from the high 90's to crack the ton and become a top 5 mid that will put you ahead of the rest!
Which one would you pick?
Activ8's hot tip....... Daniel Jackson.
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What do you think of Jack Grimes as a better option DWD?
