Pies and Dogs looking at Bachar Houli

[UpTheGuts]

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GC possibility?

 

[Hap Hapablap]

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i wouldnt mind him at wc however hes very melbourne centric. has a very large family and friend base there and i highly doubt he'd leave it all behind for footy sake. i would say carlton and collingwood would be front runners.

 

[Silvagnis]

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Bulldogs wouldn't need him. We've got enough players that can't crack the team. He wouldn't be more likely to get a game over someone like Moles and there's no chance he'd nudge one of our main mids out of the side.

He's solid enough but we just don't have a need for him.

Essendon would gladly take Mitch Wallis or Thomas Liberatore for Houli.

 

[yaco55]

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Pros
Good to very good disposal by foot
Reasonable to good athletic and aerobic ability
High possession winner
Good distributor and runner - good offensive output

Cons
Poor to very poor disposal by hand
Limited defensive side to his game
Limited flexibility in terms of role
Can't get a game with Essendon

Fairly good summary of an opposition player.

Just one point = Played 3 very good games as a lock down small defender in 2009 - including Milne.

 

[yaco55]

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Yeah I guess that's why Essendon has played the largest amount of different players this year.

Do you really think Knights is going to be playing favourites when his arse is on the line? If Houli was good enough, he'd be playing.

Think you might need to pull your head out of the sand Nick, there is no conspiracy theory behind Houli playing twos, he is just shit.

Houli is good enough to be a decent AFL footballer and will be popular as a trading option.

My perspective is that Houli doesnt get games because the coach thinks he is SOFT - I dont necessarily think the same.

 

[yaco55]

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So if he did get Traded it would be very cheap

he was drafted at 42 - Start from there.

 

[Silvagnis]

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i would say carlton and collingwood would be front runners.

Why do we need an unaccountable midfielder with a huge turning circle?

We don't need a chunkier version of Heath Scotland.

Houli isn't tall or good overhead like Walker, Russell and Lucas, so I can't see him playing half back.

I'd be more interested in Myers who is a long kick and a better size than Houli, yet isn't rated by Knights and a Essendon supporters.

Or isn't doing what the coach wants.

Myers can kick.

 

[Brad Roo]

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He's not quite quick enough to play midfield or half forward and I would be grooming him as a defender.

 

[Vader]

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Yeah I guess that's why Essendon has played the largest amount of different players this year.

No, they haven't.

Essendon have used 35 players so far - the same number as Adelaide and Sydney. They're behind West Coast (36), Richmond (37), Melbourne (37) and Port Adelaide (36).

 

[AsianWithAFro]

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Worth ago particularly with Leon on the decline and Dick seeming to always be injured

Is an untapped talent and could be a good player if he was giving the opportunities

 

[rusman]

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Would be interesting to know his value. Ive been a fan of his however he hasnt come on as expected this year. Does have a good foot on him. I think he would be a good player in a team that hides his deficiencies (his looping handball under pressure)

 

[Vader]

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95% of your list is shit. Playing shit players ahead of other shit players isn't playing favourites, it's just shuffling the deck chairs.

Not sure I agree with the 95% statement, but the second part has a ring of truth to it.

 

[nickh32]

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No, they haven't.

Essendon have used 35 players so far - the same number as Adelaide and Sydney. They're behind West Coast (36), Richmond (37), Melbourne (37) and Port Adelaide (36).

Wow thats amazing to look at. Look at where all those teams are on the ladder.

 

[Vader]

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Wow thats amazing to look at. Look at where all those teams are on the ladder.

No coincidence that the teams at the top of the ladder have been more stable (most using 31-33 players), while the teams at the bottom have used more players - in some cases because they were ravaged by injury, in other cases because they were experimenting while trying to find something that worked.

Sydney are the only team on that list who are in the top half of the ladder. Brisbane & North are the only teams in the bottom half of the ladder who are missing from the list.

 

[dlanod]

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Brisbane & North are the only teams in the bottom half of the ladder who are missing from the list.

I was shocked to see we weren't up there. I guess that even though we've had a lot of top line injuries we've also had a lot of 1st and 2nd year players with injuries, so we've had to fall back to one very small group of players (I think our record was 22 players in the mains and only 8 players in the reserves).

 

[Vader]

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I was shocked to see we weren't up there. I guess that even though we've had a lot of top line injuries we've also had a lot of 1st and 2nd year players with injuries, so we've had to fall back to one very small group of players (I think our record was 22 players in the mains and only 8 players in the reserves).

Your mob only just missed out, with 34 players used this season.

As of R15, the numbers are as follows:
31 - St Kilda, Footscray
33 - Geelong, Collingwood, Fremantle, Carlton, Hawthorn
34 - North Melbourne, Brisbane
35 - Sydney, Adelaide, Essendon
36 - Port Adelaide, West Coast
37 - Melbourne, Richmond

If you hear a St Kilda or Footscray fan whinging about injuries the correct response is to laugh at them.

 

[Hump 17]

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Your mob only just missed out, with 34 players used this season.

As of R15, the numbers are as follows:
31 - St Kilda, Footscray
33 - Geelong, Collingwood, Fremantle, Carlton, Hawthorn
34 - North Melbourne, Brisbane
35 - Sydney, Adelaide, Essendon
36 - Port Adelaide, West Coast
37 - Melbourne, Richmond

If you hear a St Kilda or Footscray fan whinging about injuries the correct response is to laugh at them.

Yeah having your most influential player out for 12 weeks is laughable. Riewoldts no Brad Moran but hes handy.

 

[Vader]

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Yeah having your most influential player out for 12 weeks is laughable. Riewoldts no Brad Moran but hes handy.

He's still only 1 player. 1 player is much easier to replace than 5 or 6, which is what many of the other teams have had to contend with week-in-week-out.

 

[TradeDraft]

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Kevin Sheedy talks up Bachar Houli's value


THE man who gave Bachar Houli his first game of AFL wants him at Greater Western Sydney. The disgruntled Bomber is frustrated with the lack of opportunities at Windy Hill and his former coach Kevin Sheedy said yesterday that Houli was the type of player on his radar.

Well That does not Suprise me at All. Sheedy Can Have him Then

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...har-houlis-value/story-e6frf9jf-1225891842483

 

[dlanod]

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Except Sheedy can't get him unless he sits out of football for a year (unlikely) or he drops through to the Rookie Draft (also unlikely).

 

[yaco55]

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Well That does not Suprise me at All. Sheedy Can Have him Then

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...har-houlis-value/story-e6frf9jf-1225891842483

Surprise ! Surprise !

Sheedy wants Houli to include more physicality into his game.

Has he being reading Big footy ?

 

[Yoda_]

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So, Bachar Houli is being looked at as trade bait hey?

Interesting to hear the Dogs and the Pies as the two teams who have been 'named'.. Two teams who do NOT need a player like this IMO.

The Pies are a working class team and rely on each other, Houli as good as he is, does fall into an 'all about me' mentality at times, probably stemming back to his junior football days where he would just run around and pick up a lazy 40 touches.

As for the dogs, one poster alluded to the fact that they do not need a player like this, they obviously like well rounded players in their team.. Houli does have issues in regards to his one - on - one defence.. He has had some good games (Milne being one, V Geelong 2009 another) but over all he has looked lost down back.

I have seen plenty of Bachar this year playing down at Bendigo, and he has hardly played back all year. He has played as mostly an inside midfielder.

Does he have a good kick on him? Yes he does, it is a wonderful weapon of his, but it his handball that continually lets him down. The loopy air ball he calls a handball often lands a team mate into trouble, ensuring his team mate has to stop and wait for the ball rather than go and chase it when the ball is put in front of them.

Another thing I do have against him is when he does arrive at the ball first, he goes to ground way to easily. He does get to the ball first, but goes to ground and limits his output from here, often leaving himself with no other option than try one of his 'loopy handballs' that often sell his team mate into trouble as mentioned and is magnified when the opposition score..

If he was able to finally rectify some of these 'problems' then he certainly has the potential to become a very good AFL footballer, at this moment in time though, he is sitting in the c grade category.

If anyone has any questions RE Bachar Houli, I would love to try and help, I have seen enough of him this year to pass judgement.


PS: Anyone actually think he is not that good, but Sheedy drafted him purely to get into the Muslim market of supporters?

 

[Seb78]

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Bachar definitely has ability, has a nice kicking action, reasonable leg speed, clean foot skills, and knows where the goals are. If I'm to be critical of him its mostly due to his lack of awareness on the field, he also tends to slide into panic mode too often when pressured, and rarely have I seen him put his head over ball in a contest. The last 2 negatives could well be a confidence thing with Bachar as he quite seldom get opportunity's at senior level, when IMHO should be getting games before some other players. Bachar needs to get more mongrel in him and find that hunger and desire, and he could well develop into a consistent serviceable MID/HFF.

 

[yaco55]

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So, Bachar Houli is being looked at as trade bait hey?

Interesting to hear the Dogs and the Pies as the two teams who have been 'named'.. Two teams who do NOT need a player like this IMO.

The Pies are a working class team and rely on each other, Houli as good as he is, does fall into an 'all about me' mentality at times, probably stemming back to his junior football days where he would just run around and pick up a lazy 40 touches.

As for the dogs, one poster alluded to the fact that they do not need a player like this, they obviously like well rounded players in their team.. Houli does have issues in regards to his one - on - one defence.. He has had some good games (Milne being one, V Geelong 2009 another) but over all he has looked lost down back.

I have seen plenty of Bachar this year playing down at Bendigo, and he has hardly played back all year. He has played as mostly an inside midfielder.

Does he have a good kick on him? Yes he does, it is a wonderful weapon of his, but it his handball that continually lets him down. The loopy air ball he calls a handball often lands a team mate into trouble, ensuring his team mate has to stop and wait for the ball rather than go and chase it when the ball is put in front of them.

Another thing I do have against him is when he does arrive at the ball first, he goes to ground way to easily. He does get to the ball first, but goes to ground and limits his output from here, often leaving himself with no other option than try one of his 'loopy handballs' that often sell his team mate into trouble as mentioned and is magnified when the opposition score..

If he was able to finally rectify some of these 'problems' then he certainly has the potential to become a very good AFL footballer, at this moment in time though, he is sitting in the c grade category.

If anyone has any questions RE Bachar Houli, I would love to try and help, I have seen enough of him this year to pass judgement.


PS: Anyone actually think he is not that good, but Sheedy drafted him purely to get into the Muslim market of supporters?

HFF

Very accurate summary of Houli - Think he would be suited at either of the previously mentioned clubs because they are kicking teams - which is Houli's strong suit.

I still maintain that he isn't playing seniors because the coaching team considered him to be SOFT.

 

[Yoda_]

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HFF

Very accurate summary of Houli - Think he would be suited at either of the previously mentioned clubs because they are kicking teams - which is Houli's strong suit.

I still maintain that he isn't playing seniors because the coaching team considered him to be SOFT.

I would not be so sure Yaco

Who out of the clubs mentioned would he take their position away from them?

At the bulldogs, who?

At the pies, who?

Any Pies/Dogs supporters know who's position Houli would take?

I do tend to agree though Yaco in regards to Houli being soft..

The coaching staff I think have thought he is soft, but he has shown on numerous times he is prepared to get down and dirty and in the trenches to help his team..

Not sure where he fits into the scheme of things at Essendon, since he is obviously at the outter despite being one of Bendigo's better performed players this year..

Oh well, interesting times ahead hey Yaco. Be interesting to see where he ends up; as, I have resigned my self to the fact that he will be gone come years end..