Pies in 08

[the_champ_2004]

This is going to be a bit long so bare with me on this.

Today at work I spent a while looking through the Collingwood list and seeing what needed to be addressed. Started by writing down the Collingwood list, all off the top of my head, no assistance needed (was pretty happy with myself about this) So here is the 07 list:

Senior List
Anthony
Brown
Bryan
Buckley
Burns
Clement
Cloke
Cook
Cox
Davies
Davis
Dawes
Dick
Didak
Egan
Fraser
Goldsack
Holland
Iles
Johnson
Licuria
Lockyer
Lonie
Maxwell
Medhurst
O'Bree
O'Brien
Pendlebury
Prestigiacomo
Reid
Richards
Rocca
Rusling
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Swan
Thomas
Toovey
Wakelin

Rookie List
Clarke
Wellingham
Macaffer
Nicholls

So now for the list changes

Out
Buckley (retired)
Clement (retired)
Licuria (retired)
Richards (delisted)
Davies (traded)
Holland (delisted)
Toovey (delisted)
Macaffer (delisted)
Nicholls (delisted)

In
Woods
Barham
Draft pick - KP defender
Draft pick - Ruckman
Draft pick - Inside Mid
Dyas - Rookie list
Rookie 1
Rookie 2
Rookie 3

Richards is well Richards. Holland is only rivaled by Guy Richards for the least penetrating kick at the club. Toovey is out of his depth. Macaffer is not showing enough and Nicholls is a second year rookie. Maybe one more delistment if there is someone in pre-season draft. If so then goodbye Lonie. Promote Wellingham and Clarke to the senior list. In the draft I think that targeting a defender, ruckman, inside mid as well as Barham will be suitable for the list. If people could add some players that will be available around our picks nominate some options we could go for. If we get someone in the PSD go for a defender, that is now our weakness in the coming years. Our picks are 31, 47, 63, 79, 95, 96, 111, 127 if we really wanted to go that far. I think we will be taking Barham with pick 79 or 95. The deal with Davies and the roos was to make sure that he got a second chance he deserved at a club that wanted him, nothing trade.

I even Broke down the side from the ones I said should stay on the list.

Defenders
Anthony
Brown
Maxwell
O'Brien
Prestigiacomo
Wakelin

Def/Mids
Cox
Goldsack
Iles
Lonie
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Clarke

Mids
Burns
Cook
Johnson
Lockyer
O'Bree
Pendlebury
Swan
Barham

For/Mids
Davis
Dick
Didak
Egan
Medhurst
Thomas
Wellingham

Forwards
Cloke
Dawes
Reid
Rocca
Rusling

Rucks
Bryan
Fraser
Wood

The side that lines up in round one I think should look something like this. Remember this is the round on side, not our best side.

B: Maxwell Prestigiacomo Wakelin
HB: Shaw, H O'Brien Goldsack
C: Pendlebury Burns Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
F: Rusling Rocca Medhurst
Foll: Fraser Lockyer Johnson
Int: Wood Davis Swan O'Bree
Emerg:Bryan Shaw, R Reid

What do you guys think? I know a bit of the midfield is out of place but otherwise? Or am I just full of sh!t

 

[HFF]

I think you've got too much spare time on your hands. To be honest i haven't read it with depth but ill still give you credit for it.

 

[the_champ_2004]

I think you've got too much spare time on your hands. To be honest i haven't read it with depth but ill still give you credit for it.

no i was just very, very bored at work

 

[ridethewind]

Absolutely no way in hell will Holland or Lonie be delisted and Davies kept.. that's not being objective, that's just a personal wish

 

[Thommo 42]

O'Bree not even an emergency?

may as well delist him if you think he'll drop out of favour that much even before round 1.

 

[the_champ_2004]

Absolutely no way in hell will Holland or Lonie be delisted and Davies kept.. that's not being objective, that's just a personal wish

Why? Davies obviously has some talent and i have given my reasons as to why they should be delisted. Are they out of order or what?

O'Bree not even an emergency?

may as well delist him if you think he'll drop out of favour that much even before round 1.

My bad, probable swap him for at least cox, maybe even R Shaw.

 

[Thommo 42]

Whether you think Davies is good or not, I'd say he is odds-on to be delisted.

VFL B&F, showed some solid form but was never seriously considered for selection, not even getting on the emergencies list. When guys play decent footy in the magoos, yet still get overlooked for rookies and debutants - it generally means the match committee have put a line through them.

 

[Ron]

Lonie maybe a 5-10% chance of being delisted, but i hope not.
Holland - no chance at all. I reckon he still has something to give to the team.

 

[ridethewind]

Davies goooorn... R Shaw is the one that will go if anyone does.. Holland and Lonie safe.. that's what will happen

 

[the_champ_2004]

ok from general opinion Lonie is safe for now. Ill change it now. Although he was injured for some of the year he was not considered for selection during the finals, i don't think he has a lot more to offer.

 

[ridethewind]

ok from general opinion Lonie is safe for now. Ill change it now. Although he was injured for some of the year he was not considered for selection during the finals, i don't think he has a lot more to offer.

When Matthews wanted him the other day and Lonie refused to go Collingwood would have told him it was his only chance to play if we were delisting him, so he is absolutely safe

 

[the_champ_2004]

i'm just thinking that in terms of the list and the future there need to be some sacrifices made. If that means delisting an expirience fringe player to give someone thike Barham a go then so be it. You can't hang onto everyone.

 

[pipeline]

This is going to be a bit long so bare with me on this.

Today at work I spent a while looking through the Collingwood list and seeing what needed to be addressed. Started by writing down the Collingwood list, all off the top of my head, no assistance needed (was pretty happy with myself about this) So here is the 07 list:

Senior List
Anthony
Brown
Bryan
Buckley
Burns
Clement
Cloke
Cook
Cox
Davies
Davis
Dawes
Dick
Didak
Egan
Fraser
Goldsack
Holland
Iles
Johnson
Licuria
Lockyer
Lonie
Maxwell
Medhurst
O'Bree
O'Brien
Pendlebury
Prestigiacomo
Reid
Richards
Rocca
Rusling
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Swan
Thomas
Toovey
Wakelin

Rookie List
Clarke
Wellingham
Macaffer
Nicholls

So now for the list changes

Out
Buckley (retired)
Clement (retired)
Licuria (retired)
Richards (delisted)
Davies (delisted)
Holland (delisted)
Toovey (delisted)
Macaffer (delisted)

In
Woods
Barham
Draft pick - KP defender
Draft pick - Ruckman
Draft pick - Inside Mid
Dyas - Rookie list
Rookie 1
Rookie 2

Richards is well Richards. Holland is only rivaled by Guy Richards for the least penetrating kick at the club. Toovey is out of his depth. Macaffer is not showing enough. Maybe one more delistments if there is someone in pre-season draft. If so then goodbye Lonie. Promote Wellingham and Clarke to the senior list. In the draft I think that targeting a defender, ruckman, inside mid as well as Barham will be suitable for the list. If people could add some players that will be available around our picks nominate some options we could go for. If we get someone in the PSD go for a defender, that is now our weakness in the coming years.

I even Broke down the side from the ones I said should stay on the list.

Defenders
Anthony
Brown
Maxwell
O'Brien
Prestigiacomo
Wakelin

Def/Mids
Cox
Goldsack
Iles
Lonie
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Clarke

Mids
Burns
Cook
Johnson
Lockyer
O'Bree
Pendlebury
Swan
Barham

For/Mids
Davis
Dick
Didak
Egan
Medhurst
Thomas
Wellingham

Forwards
Cloke
Dawes
Reid
Rocca
Rusling

Rucks
Bryan
Fraser
Wood

The side that lines up in round one I think should look something like this. Remember this is the round on side, not our best side.

B: Maxwell Prestigiacomo Wakelin
HB: Shaw, H O'Brien Goldsack
C: Pendlebury Burns Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
F: Rusling Rocca Medhurst
Foll: Fraser Lockyer Johnson
Int: Wood Davis Swan O'Bree
Emerg:Bryan Shaw, R Reid

What do you guys think? I know a bit of the midfield is out of place but otherwise? Or am I just full of sh!t

Pretty damn good, first for remembering all the names and second, for the side. My only beef would be I'd keep Tooves (4 or 5 pretty fair games and one shocker, real tryer and has got skills but loses confidence and makes himself look worse - give him a year to grow out of it) and I think Egan might be a smoky to be gone - not for skills reasons.

I'd have Emergencies Cox, Stanley and Reid with Bryan perhaps EXTREME emergency - like everyone else died last night. Otherwise, not bad at all.

 

[the_champ_2004]

I guess it is just habit to put in an emergency ruckman after the combinations available to us this year. Hopefully one that we grow out of.

 

[jimmy_clement#8]

Don't forget that we need to delist at least one more to promote Marty to the senior list. I'd assume that we'd draft at 30 and 46, then pick Barham at 62, which means we need to delist 5 guys (Wood, Barham, Clarke, two other draftees) so: Buckley, Clement, Licuria, Davies, Richards. Next year we want four rookies, Wellingham stays on, Dyas comes onto the list, as for MacAffer and Nicholls, if its their second year, keep em, if its their third year, they can't stay on so we rookie two new guys, perhaps this Batsianas I keep reading. Done.

 

[jadyn39]

This is going to be a bit long so bare with me on this.

Today at work I spent a while looking through the Collingwood list and seeing what needed to be addressed. Started by writing down the Collingwood list, all off the top of my head, no assistance needed (was pretty happy with myself about this) So here is the 07 list:

Senior List
Anthony
Brown
Bryan
Buckley
Burns
Clement
Cloke
Cook
Cox
Davies
Davis
Dawes
Dick
Didak
Egan
Fraser
Goldsack
Holland
Iles
Johnson
Licuria
Lockyer
Lonie
Maxwell
Medhurst
O'Bree
O'Brien
Pendlebury
Prestigiacomo
Reid
Richards
Rocca
Rusling
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Swan
Thomas
Toovey
Wakelin

Rookie List
Clarke
Wellingham
Macaffer
Nicholls

So now for the list changes

Out
Buckley (retired)
Clement (retired)
Licuria (retired)
Richards (delisted)
Davies (delisted)
Holland (delisted)
Toovey (delisted)
Macaffer (delisted)
Nicholls (delisted)

In
Woods
Barham
Draft pick - KP defender
Draft pick - Ruckman
Draft pick - Inside Mid
Dyas - Rookie list
Rookie 1
Rookie 2
Rookie 3

Richards is well Richards. Holland is only rivaled by Guy Richards for the least penetrating kick at the club. Toovey is out of his depth. Macaffer is not showing enough and Nicholls is a second year rookie. Maybe one more delistments if there is someone in pre-season draft. If so then goodbye Lonie. Promote Wellingham and Clarke to the senior list. In the draft I think that targeting a defender, ruckman, inside mid as well as Barham will be suitable for the list. If people could add some players that will be available around our picks nominate some options we could go for. If we get someone in the PSD go for a defender, that is now our weakness in the coming years.

I even Broke down the side from the ones I said should stay on the list.

Defenders
Anthony
Brown
Maxwell
O'Brien
Prestigiacomo
Wakelin

Def/Mids
Cox
Goldsack
Iles
Lonie
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Clarke

Mids
Burns
Cook
Johnson
Lockyer
O'Bree
Pendlebury
Swan
Barham

For/Mids
Davis
Dick
Didak
Egan
Medhurst
Thomas
Wellingham

Forwards
Cloke
Dawes
Reid
Rocca
Rusling

Rucks
Bryan
Fraser
Wood

The side that lines up in round one I think should look something like this. Remember this is the round on side, not our best side.

B: Maxwell Prestigiacomo Wakelin
HB: Shaw, H O'Brien Goldsack
C: Pendlebury Burns Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
F: Rusling Rocca Medhurst
Foll: Fraser Lockyer Johnson
Int: Wood Davis Swan O'Bree
Emerg:Bryan Shaw, R Reid

What do you guys think? I know a bit of the midfield is out of place but otherwise? Or am I just full of sh!t

Macaffer is just a rookie he will not be delisted yet he has only been on the rookie lits 4 one year

 

[Breakthelines]

This is going to be a bit long so bare with me on this.

Today at work I spent a while looking through the Collingwood list and seeing what needed to be addressed. Started by writing down the Collingwood list, all off the top of my head, no assistance needed (was pretty happy with myself about this) So here is the 07 list:

Senior List
Anthony
Brown
Bryan
Buckley
Burns
Clement
Cloke
Cook
Cox
Davies
Davis
Dawes
Dick
Didak
Egan
Fraser
Goldsack
Holland
Iles
Johnson
Licuria
Lockyer
Lonie
Maxwell
Medhurst
O'Bree
O'Brien
Pendlebury
Prestigiacomo
Reid
Richards
Rocca
Rusling
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Swan
Thomas
Toovey
Wakelin

Rookie List
Clarke
Wellingham
Macaffer
Nicholls

So now for the list changes

Out
Buckley (retired)
Clement (retired)
Licuria (retired)
Richards (delisted)
Davies (delisted)
Holland (delisted)
Toovey (delisted)
Macaffer (delisted)
Nicholls (delisted)

In
Woods
Barham
Draft pick - KP defender
Draft pick - Ruckman
Draft pick - Inside Mid
Dyas - Rookie list
Rookie 1
Rookie 2
Rookie 3

Richards is well Richards. Holland is only rivaled by Guy Richards for the least penetrating kick at the club. Toovey is out of his depth. Macaffer is not showing enough and Nicholls is a second year rookie. Maybe one more delistments if there is someone in pre-season draft. If so then goodbye Lonie. Promote Wellingham and Clarke to the senior list. In the draft I think that targeting a defender, ruckman, inside mid as well as Barham will be suitable for the list. If people could add some players that will be available around our picks nominate some options we could go for. If we get someone in the PSD go for a defender, that is now our weakness in the coming years.

I even Broke down the side from the ones I said should stay on the list.

Defenders
Anthony
Brown
Maxwell
O'Brien
Prestigiacomo
Wakelin

Def/Mids
Cox
Goldsack
Iles
Lonie
Shaw, H
Shaw, R
Stanley
Clarke

Mids
Burns
Cook
Johnson
Lockyer
O'Bree
Pendlebury
Swan
Barham

For/Mids
Davis
Dick
Didak
Egan
Medhurst
Thomas
Wellingham

Forwards
Cloke
Dawes
Reid
Rocca
Rusling

Rucks
Bryan
Fraser
Wood

The side that lines up in round one I think should look something like this. Remember this is the round on side, not our best side.

B: Maxwell Prestigiacomo Wakelin
HB: Shaw, H O'Brien Goldsack
C: Pendlebury Burns Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
F: Rusling Rocca Medhurst
Foll: Fraser Lockyer Johnson
Int: Wood Davis Swan O'Bree
Emerg:Bryan Shaw, R Reid

What do you guys think? I know a bit of the midfield is out of place but otherwise? Or am I just full of sh!t

Holland won't be delisted.

Get rid of Cox...he's a muppet.

And in regards to the side you put up...very close...but they won't have Wakelin & Presty in the same side...too slow.

 

[Breakthelines]

Macaffer is just a rookie he will not be delisted yet he has only been on the rookie lits 4 one year

Thats all they get...unless the club sees fit to leave them on.

 

[diehard pie]

If this is the side for round one then Ben Johnson will be in the stands.

Wakes and Presti will play together IMO

 

[4#Didak#4]

I look at all this & say where are e going to improve? Where are we possibly going to fall away.

Improvements & wild cards:
-Ruck obviously with Fraser to go forward an exciting thought
-The continual improvement of 2nd & 3rd year players
-Chris Egan injury free will be interesting as the kid has talent
-Holland (do not shoot me for this) if he can get full fitness he is still a great run with shut down player, which we do not really have anymore - would have been handy on Ablett
-Chris Dawes say no more
- Marty Clarke with a full pre-season and year of footy under his belt
-Shannon Cox if he can harden up (plus more muscle) will be interesting
-Didak in the middle more
-Depth is great.
-Reid & Rusling next step needed especially Rus

Worries:
-Leadership & experience
- Still don't think midfield is up to it unless Leon & Didak can step up a lot, a few injuries and we will struggle in here.
- Backline without Clement will hurt, he has held that together very well & need Presti back to give the young fellas some strength. We can be exposed here now & again.
- No Buckley, I dont care how much he was not there this year he will be missed

Go Pies 2008

 

[myMANmaxwell]

So who gets the (c) and (vc) next to their names?

I'd go for Maxwell as Captain, and either tarkyn or pendles as vice captains. Would have put Josh Fraser in there but obviously his situation at the club remains uncertain.

your thoughts?

 

[shawthing09]

So who gets the (c) and (vc) next to their names?

I'd go for Maxwell as Captain, and either tarkyn or pendles as vice captains. Would have put Josh Fraser in there but obviously his situation at the club remains uncertain.

your thoughts?

I think we should either pick an interem captain for the next year or 2 in Burns or we should Give it to Heatch. Maxwell is a good solid player very worth VC material but I worry that he doesn't have a spot on the field that demands his selection, long term he may be edged out of the best 22

 

[myMANmaxwell]

I think we should either pick an interem captain for the next year or 2 in Burns or we should Give it to Heatch. Maxwell is a good solid player very worth VC material but I worry that he doesn't have a spot on the field that demands his selection, long term he may be edged out of the best 22

yeah i did think about that but his 1 percenters, hardness and passion make him invaluable at the selection table. Burns for next year would be good and then they could assess how our list develops and pick someone suitable for 2009 onwards. im a big supporter of giving the captaincy to someone who can lead well for a number of years.

 

[shawthing09]

yeah i did think about that but his 1 percenters, hardness and passion make him invaluable at the selection table. Burns for next year would be good and then they could assess how our list develops and pick someone suitable for 2009 onwards. im a big supporter of giving the captaincy to someone who can lead well for a number of years.

Yep Maxwell for me strikes me as one of those spirtual natural leaders, should always be in the leadership group and could make a good captain but I think Heath and Pendles are also natural leaders who are far greater footballers and hence may be in front of him in the captaincy stakes, but who knows

 

[alfio]

Hopefully see Brown and Anthony Dawes all have a run at senior level.