Pies make Jolly offer

[Obeanie1]

Before a few people wet their pants with excitement, remember that IF Jolly leaves it only means we need a ruckman more, it doesn't mean anything in terms of what other clubs might offer for Seaby.

If, for example, Port were going to offer a 3rd rounder for Seaby, Sydney losing Jolly wont make them up their offer. Making sense yet?

Seaby's trade value is governed by two factors IMO.

1. How badly do the Swans want him? - if Jolly leaves their need is increased substantially.
2. How likely will another club pick up Seaby prior to Sydney in the PSD?

Picking up Seaby for free come the PSD I see Melbourne and Richmond as stumbling blocks for the Swans, the Tigers made an offer last year but it wasn't good enough for the Eagles.

Melbourne are rebuilding and a 25 year old 100 game ruckman would tempt them when they are getting him for nothing in the PSD.

Interesting game of poker this one.

If Jolly goes and the Swans get a couple of low picks for him I can see them giving up a 2nd rounder for Seaby, probably Collingwoods they should get for Jolly and they then still keep 2 first round picks to use on kids.

 

[Obeanie1]

Mick did hint at the Copeland that we may be trading one of our senior players away, whether that be Davis, Fraser, Lockyer ect I have no idea.

But I think it might be Davis to WCE for pick 7. We'll wait and see on that one though.

Um....your talking about West Coast not Freo.

Eagles would NEVER agree to that one sided trade in a million years mate.

Davis is 28 and goes missing in finals. He is worth nothing to the Eagles at this stage of their rebuild.

Please think before you post!

 

[danielnajdek]

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Um....your talking about West Coast not Freo.

Eagles would NEVER agree to that one sided trade in a million years mate.

Davis is 28 and goes missing in finals. He is worth nothing to the Eagles at this stage of their rebuild.

Please think before you post!

you won't have to worry about leon going missing you have to make finals to worry about that

 

[Swans120]

****.

If Jolly goes to the Woods im gonna be ****ing devastated. He is so crucial to our team.

The only way i'd be not distraught with a trade would be like pick 14 and Nathan Brown and some young mid. I dont care, that is the only way i'd let this happen. He is that bloody crucial to us we would need a lot in return for him.

 

[Vixen]

****.

If Jolly goes to the Woods im gonna be ****ing devastated. He is so crucial to our team.

The only way i'd be not distraught with a trade would be like pick 14 and Nathan Brown and some young mid. I dont care, that is the only way i'd let this happen. He is that bloody crucial to us we would need a lot in return for him.

right.

could end up 14+dawes for jolly? since sydney may want a kpf and we just work something else out for fevola, if we can.

 

[keviewiggle]

you won't have to worry about leon going missing you have to make finals to worry about that

I have no doubt that Davis is a great footballer.
Would not be concerned with his going "missing" in finals.
Believe he is one of the elite small forwards/midfielders in the AFL.
My main concern is his age.
If he was 22 we would be after him like a shot.
He is better suited to Collingwood at this stage.
WCE are in a rebuilding phase.

 

[jonesy86]

If we could only get 1 of Fevola or Jolly then I'd take Jolly every time and twice on Sundays.

Jolly can make immediate impact and improve our stoppages.

With Fevola you just never know and he hasn't exactly made Carlton a premiership threat.

I'd rather back in our young developing talls to make it as forwards as our history of developing ruckmen is poor.

 

[Vixen]

I have no doubt that Davis is a great footballer.
Would not be concerned with his going "missing" in finals.
Believe he is one of the elite small forwards/midfielders in the AFL.
My main concern is his age.
If he was 22 we would be after him like a shot.
He is better suited to Collingwood at this stage.
WCE are in a rebuilding phase.

imo,

west coast could improve in the next two seasons and play finals. recruit leon and it gives you so many options with him and lecras. swap them around in the midfield and the forward line. i think the deal would be good for you.

this coming from someone who doesn't wanna trade leon aswell.

 

[FIGJAM]

You need to realise that Collingwood trading pick 14 for cameron Wood has scared most clubs from offering too much for ruckmen.

Errrr...you do realise that Cam Wood is a good player??

 

[SEEING EYE DOG]

Here's a trade that could work but probably won't
happen.

Brad Dick to WC for Seaby + Staker.
Seaby, Staker + 14 to Sydney for Jolly.
Good deal for Pies, not bad for Sydney ( might ask
for Cook or Stanley as well). I think it's a positive
for WC. Brad Dick would be a very dangerous goal
sneak. Unlikely, but who knows.

 

[Obeanie1]

you won't have to worry about leon going missing you have to make finals to worry about that

Isn't this better than making finals only for your players to go missing in action?

At least when we make the finals we make it to the last game in September fairly often

 

[FIGJAM]

At least when we make the finals we make it to the last game in September fairly often

Nobody makes it more often than us!

 

[Obeanie1]

Here's a trade that could work but probably won't
happen.

Brad Dick to WC for Seaby + Staker.
Seaby, Staker + 14 to Sydney for Jolly.
Good deal for Pies, not bad for Sydney ( might ask
for Cook or Stanley as well). I think it's a positive
for WC. Brad Dick would be a very dangerous goal
sneak. Unlikely, but who knows.

Take Staker out of that and its a more even deal. Dick is only a skinny forward pocket and no way worth both Seaby and Staker.

Staker to the Lions for Dalzille looks like happening on its own.

 

[Obeanie1]

Nobody makes it more often than us!

That sure hasn't been the case since colour TV was invented

 

[Bay Pie]

It'll probably end up being Pick 14 + Fraser for Jolly. I understand Sydney fans wanting a bit more for one of their best, but I can't see much more being offered by any other Melbourne club. It says Collingwood want to lock in the deal early Monday so I guess they want to get it out of the way as quickly as possible.

Big possibility.

Facts are we have a very good trading history with the Swans.

A.Rocca
A.Schauble
P.Williams
N.Davis
R.Shaw

If Jolly asks to be traded to the Pies, it will get done. The devil is in the detail. Perhaps the ask for a 2nd round pick for Barry Hall makes some sense now.

 

[dee64]

According to Liam Pickering on SEN this morning, this deal will go ahead, with the trade being pick 14 and an unspecified player.

Being a player manager with dealings with all clubs, Pickering is a source that I would believe.

If the deal does go ahead, what would Collingwood have to offer for Fevola?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Would you object to a trade involve Pick 14 and Nathan Brown??

Of course we would. Brown is in his early 20's and has a long career ahead of him.

Also if we sent a 3rd Round Pick back your way would you object to Brad Dick also being included??

Brad Dick on his own would be worth at least an early 2nd round pick. We got him for a 3rd round pick in 2006, and unlike many 3rd round selections, he can actually play, very well, at AFL level.

Commiserations Sydney Swans. First dealing with Hawthorn last year and now Collingwood. Could it get worse? Nobody wants to go to Port Adelaide do they?

Collingwood's poor trading reputation exists only in your head and on BigFooty. Tell me the last trade deal they screwed someone over on? Tarrant? We were initially seen as losing out on that one, it's only when Medhurst turned himself around and became AA that the deal became folklore.

Not sure if people have been living in a cave the last decade, but Collingwood had a rep that made Pelchen sound like father christmas. It is why they have been stuck with mostly dealing in burnt out and unwanted players when their name was involved in every big trade going around.

Yeah, I am sure they would be eager to bend over Freo again or trade in washout X and Y but when it comes to the more valuable end of the trading spectrum I don't think any club has had happy dealings with Collingwood for a long, long time.

I hope over the years they have changed but we shall see.

Again, you're talking out of your arse. Just because players are frequently linked with Collingwood in the HUN doesn't mean we're making a play for them. Nor does it mean, when fictional play fails to materialise, that we offered up two housebricks and got knocked back.

Here's a trade that could work but probably won't
happen.

Brad Dick to WC for Seaby + Staker.
Seaby, Staker + 14 to Sydney for Jolly.
Good deal for Pies, not bad for Sydney ( might ask
for Cook or Stanley as well). I think it's a positive
for WC. Brad Dick would be a very dangerous goal
sneak. Unlikely, but who knows.

You can't on-trade players, only picks. It would have to be;

Brad Dick to WCE.
Seaby, Staker + Collingwood's #14 to Sydney
Jolly to Collingwood

Still won't happen though... but it's not miles off.

 

[legend166]

Jolly would immediately make Collingwood a premiership threat. Not only is he one of the best tap ruckman in the comp, he's the best goal kicking ruckman.

Collingwood will have to pay big. They're dreaming if they think pick 14 alone will do it.

 

[Nardz]

makes you wonder why we didnt make a play for him when melbourne got rid of him

 

[grimlock]

I think a few clubs might have, that's why his price (pick 15) turned out to be high at the time.

 

[FIGJAM]

That sure hasn't been the case since colour TV was invented

I didn't say we won.

 

[Vixen]

Jolly would immediately make Collingwood a premiership threat. Not only is he one of the best tap ruckman in the comp, he's the best goal kicking ruckman.

Collingwood will have to pay big. They're dreaming if they think pick 14 alone will do it.

like what?

 

[legend166]

Pick 14 + Nathan Brown or a young player of similar quality.

That's just how it is.

 

[Mego Red]

Errrr...you do realise that Cam Wood is a good player??

No, Cam Wood is not a good player, hence the poster's point about giving up late first round picks for mediocre footballers.

 

[Nardz]

Pick 14 + Nathan Brown or a young player of similar quality.

That's just how it is.

now.. that's just how you want it to be.

you are dreaming.