Player X vs Player Y (Part II)

[SoupAStars]

Boomer: Keeps defying the critics and pumping out some great scores. However, eventually the critics will get it right and age will catch up with him. For now though he looks good. The only issue is he's playing in a generally losing team and while he can pull the mammoth scores he can also be pretty quiet also.

Rioli: Plays Gold Coast x2 (including the GF) and has good 'cover' around him like Mitchell etc to absorb some attention (like GAblett playing at Geelong). He's pretty cheap IMO for where his scores could get his price. The injury issue is the biggest factor in my mind... Will they want to rest him closer to finals? Given the Hawks' comfortable place in the 8 it mightn't take much for them to rest him.

Fyfe: 2nd year blues could start to kick in, as could a troublesome shoulder. However, he's been fantastic and it's not like he'll be dropped for a rest anytime soon given the injury crisis at Freo. However, with Barlow returning, Mzungu starting to play more comfortably and other names starting to filter back his scores could start to drop as he has to share his points. Then saying that 2 of their biggest points takers (Sandi & Mundy) are out for the next couple whihc could bolster his scoring potential, particularly in the short term.


Personally I'd go Rioli, just love the way he plays and with the Hawks flying I'd dare say he'll show the kind of confidence and skill that got the Hawks to the 2008 cup. Whereas I see Fyfe potentially getting worn out carrying a pretty hefty load thanks to the calibre of guys out. And Boomer, who knows. He'll be the Roos' most prolific points scorer most weeks but will age ever catch up to him??

Good luck.

How about O'Keefe vs them?

 

[SoupAStars]

Also, my dilemma is Bartel vs Mitchell vs O'Keefe (decent scores + more MPP and SC League Bye) for Mundy trade-out :S

 

[Pedsy]

Forward Downgrade.
Howe v Dahlhaus??

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Forward Downgrade.
Howe v Dahlhaus??

Howe. Dahlhaus is cheaper so maybe him.

Pendlebury or Ablett?

 

[SoupAStars]

To replace D. Heppell:
H. Shaw vs C. Enright vs R. Murphy vs M. Suckling

 

[Daniels]

To replace D. Heppell:
H. Shaw vs C. Enright vs R. Murphy vs M. Suckling

Shaw.

I had same question but is there any other options that are slightly a lil bit more out of the square like Hurn?

 

[SoupAStars]

Hurn is an option, but I definitely think he is not worth the extra money.
Johncock is another one and I do think he is pretty decent VFM as he is a great player that has finally found some form.
I can not go any more expensive then Shaw due to cash needed for other trades. I'm playing to win a cash league and Suckling and Murphy square up against my only competition and Shaw/Enright are a POD. Hmm...

 

[dlanod]

Shaw. No more byes, been scoring well with only a few exceptions.

From here on out, give priority to Pies this week, Saints next week, etc, because it's going to take a larger and larger average differential to make up the lack of a bye. With 11 weeks to go, a player averaging 100 with no byes is worth the same of points in the future as a player averaging 110 with one bye, for about $40-50k cheaper.

If you're going for league wins, add in those teams with multibyes.

 

[Ed D]

Shaw. No more byes, been scoring well with only a few exceptions.

From here on out, give priority to Pies this week, Saints next week, etc, because it's going to take a larger and larger average differential to make up the lack of a bye. With 11 weeks to go, a player averaging 100 with no byes is worth the same of points in the future as a player averaging 110 with one bye, for about $40-50k cheaper.

If you're going for league wins, add in those teams with multibyes.

That's only true if you're copping a donut when the player has a bye. If you have an emergency getting 70 then it's only 3ppg difference. But still it is something to think about.

 

[dlanod]

That's only true if you're copping a donut when the player has a bye. If you have an emergency getting 70 then it's only 3ppg difference. But still it is something to think about.

Bleh, I always forget that. It's like my version of the double counting of the captaincy difference.

I'd still give the player without a bye a boost above the 3 ppg (maybe as much as 5 to 8) as it's hard to foretell how your bench coverage is going to hold up in Round 23, but you're right - 10 ppg is bit generous.

 

[Daniels]

Hurn is an option, but I definitely think he is not worth the extra money.
Johncock is another one and I do think he is pretty decent VFM as he is a great player that has finally found some form.
I can not go any more expensive then Shaw due to cash needed for other trades. I'm playing to win a cash league and Suckling and Murphy square up against my only competition and Shaw/Enright are a POD. Hmm...

WC have pretty good run after bye IMO. Brings Hurn right into calculations. Definite unique-ness about him also that could pay off, tough decision!

I had a look at Johncock earlier also. He could be value but just feels like he could go missing in long run for some reason. Just has that yo-yo vibe about him.

If league wins are the main focus maybe just go the the square up / cancel out option and try and get an edge elsewhere...?

 

[SoupAStars]

If league wins are the main focus maybe just go the the square up / cancel out option and try and get an edge elsewhere...?

Him vs Me:
DEF: Suckling & Murphy vs Gilbee & whoever I trade in
MID: O'Keefe & whoever he trades in (probably Swan) vs Mitchell & whoever I trade in (probably Swan)
FWD: Sylvia vs Petrie

The rest of our 22 are the same, but our bench coverage is quite different and this is where there is hopefully some opportunity to make some points/percentage up and cover outs better.

So, as it is, I think he wins 1, I win 1, 1 is very close and the other 2 are up for grabs. I can either square with Suckling or Murphy or go for a match-up win with Shaw (or someone else? [other than Fisher as we are both already bringing him in after this round]). I can also take a punt on Swan this week (as he's not) and hopefully get some points in the bag, or take a punt that he won't be what he was and grab someone like Thompson or a really cheap Sylvia (which will actually create a square up) and hope for the best there...

Decisions, decisions? :S

 

[dlanod]

I'd go Shaw, and maybe try to upgrade Gilbee to Scotland. I think that'd give you double the advantage down back, in addition to Mitchell vs ROK. He probably beats you on the Sylvia v Petrie comparison.

 

[SoupAStars]

I'd go Shaw, and maybe try to upgrade Gilbee to Scotland. I think that'd give you double the advantage down back, in addition to Mitchell vs ROK. He probably beats you on the Sylvia v Petrie comparison.

I like that idea but I fear I have lost too much money on Gilbee, especially this week just gone. I had a chance to straight swap him to Enright a few weeks back and decided not to take it. This will also result in me having only 2 trades after the Fisher trade next round. No gut, no glory?
Only problem with Scotland is having Gibbs already and the Carlton bye being the qualifying final. Worth the risk?

 

[Daniels]

Him vs Me:
DEF: Suckling & Murphy vs Gilbee & whoever I trade in
MID: O'Keefe & whoever he trades in (probably Swan) vs Mitchell & whoever I trade in (probably Swan)
FWD: Sylvia vs Petrie

Geez! That is very tight. Think the worst I had far this year has been 6 on 6. You could already face a 4 on 4 or potentially a 3 on 3... wow! Kinda shows that most teams are going down the same generic track in a big way!

Captain edge? Or both just have Ablett locked in?

 

[dlanod]

Only problem with Scotland is having Gibbs already and the Carlton bye being the qualifying final. Worth the risk?

Ugh, is it cash league with finals? That does throw a spanner into the mix with Scotland. I'm more a fan of cash leagues by points scored. The league finals bye might kill off Scotland as an option then.

 

[SoupAStars]

He is more inclined to lock in Ablett than myself. He is my fall back but I'm willing to take punts.

 

[SoupAStars]

Ugh, is it cash league with finals? That does throw a spanner into the mix with Scotland. I'm more a fan of cash leagues by points scored. The league finals bye might kill off Scotland as an option then.

Cash league based on ladder with finals. Prize for minor, major and runner up. I won major last year and was 2nd on ladder.

 

[cooneyman]

To trades out Heppell or Lower? for heath shaw?

 

[J Squad]

To trades out Heppell or Lower? for heath shaw?

Heppell has the higher breakeven and is dropping cash quicker.

 

[Ed D]

To trades out Heppell or Lower? for heath shaw?

It depends if you want to keep one of them as bench cover or not. If you're going to trade both you might as well trade Heppell, but if one of them is going to be kept it might be worth holding onto which ever one gives you better cover.

 

[SoupAStars]

Gilbee vs Scotland - pain vs gain
Is the extra trade and cash used as well as SC league qualifying final bye worth the ppg gain and benefit in a SC league grand final?
(Doing this trade will take me to 2 trades left after R14.)

 

[CaTTer4Eva]

Gilbee vs Scotland - pain vs gain
Is the extra trade and cash used as well as SC league qualifying final bye worth the ppg gain and benefit in a SC league grand final?
(Doing this trade will take me to 2 trades left after R14.)

For me personally as I'm going for a league only, I've made note not to bring in North/Geel/Carl/Ess players. Therefore I wouldn't do it but hey, this is all risk v reward - Best go with your instincts!

Ok peoples - Swallow > Fyfe vs Sylvia? Which will end up completing my forwards line consisting of: Pav, ROK, Franklin, Goodes, Roo, Rioli, ?

Thoughts??

 

[SoupAStars]

For me personally as I'm going for a league only, I've made note not to bring in North/Geel/Carl/Ess players. Therefore I wouldn't do it but hey, this is all risk v reward - Best go with your instincts!

I guess the question is, if you already/will have Goddard, Gibbs, Deledio, Fisher, Shaw and Newman, is Gilbee a good enough D7 or, if not, who should be brought in that doesn't have a finals bye?

Ok peoples - Swallow > Fyfe vs Sylvia? Which will end up completing my forwards line consisting of: Pav, ROK, Franklin, Goodes, Roo, Rioli, ?

Thoughts??

Sylvia rather than Fyfe. They are both MPP which is fine, and I think Sylvia will be better over the rest of the season. Fyfe has problems with his shoulder which could go completely at any time and his scoring has been slowing down. Also, Freo is on the slide whilst Melbourne is on the climb and Sylvia has been one of their few shining lights.

 

[Headless]

Ok peoples - Swallow > Fyfe vs Sylvia? Which will end up completing my forwards line consisting of: Pav, ROK, Franklin, Goodes, Roo, Rioli, ?

Thoughts??

I'm a Melbourne supporter, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'd take Sylvia for the reasons above.

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I have two options this week:

Option 1:
Heppell/Duigan/Stanley <> Newman/Hurn/Birchall/Murphy/Suckling.

This would complete my backline (and mean that I would finish the season without Fisher). Trading Heppell would give me the most money, but lose my Heppell/Jacobs link. Krakouer would remain as F7.

Option 2:
Krakouer <> O'Keefe/Rioli/Fyfe/Sylvia.

This would complete my forwardline (and mean that I would finish the season without Johnson). Heppell would remain as B7.

Current team:
B: Goddard; Deledio; Scotland; Enright; Gibbs; Shaw; Heppell (Duigan; Stanley; Batchelor)
C: Pendlebury; Ablett; Judd; Boyd; Thompson; Mundy (Jacobs; Mzungu; Irons)
R: Cox; Petrie (Smith; Bailey)
F: Franklin; Pavlich; Goodes; Harvey; Chapman; N Riewoldt; Krakouer (Howe; Smith; Richardson)

Note that Mundy <> Swan next week. Any thoughts?

Cheers.

EDIT: Put this here and not the trade thread as essentially it's Newman (Duigan) and Krakouer (Howe) vs. Heppell (Duigan) and O'Keefe (Krakouer), with appropriate substitution when necessary. Cheers.