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Players who appear to have grown in reputation of late.
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which means nothing in the AFL
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But you quite simply can't be sure of that.Weaver said:
And moreover, how do you know that the #2 or #3 player on your list, theoretically, doesn't drop to #8.
The fact is, the likelihood is that you would have gotten someone higher on your draft list at pick #8 than at pick #13.
The only way I can see it as a "genius move" by the recruiting staff is if you happen to rate a total smoky something like #4 overall, behind only guys like Hansen, Gumbleton and Gibbs, and you get him at #13, as you would with a total smoky.
Things like this do happen - Collingwood rated Sean Rusling #4 in 2004, but even went as far as to pass on him with their first pick and get Egan, who was lower in their ratings, and then pick up Rusling in the 2nd round.
My point is not that it's a bad move, it's that before the pick has been made, and before Polak has played a game for Richmond, it's completely inconclusive.
Basically its whether pick 8 < pick 13 and polak. We'll have to wait to draft day and round 22 to assess.
Secondly, adding to macca69's point about thorp, most of the top fwds are almost as mobile and quick as a ruck rover anyway (brown, tredrea, hall, reiwoldt, pavlich etc) and use this mobility to get away from their opponent into space. Just because he might play as his best footy as ruck rover now, doesnt mean as his body develops hes not going to be a handful as a kpp player. (hope thorp slides to the hawks though)
Secondly, adding to macca69's point about thorp, most of the top fwds are almost as mobile and quick as a ruck rover anyway (brown, tredrea, hall, reiwoldt, pavlich etc) and use this mobility to get away from their opponent into space. Just because he might play as his best footy as ruck rover now, doesnt mean as his body develops hes not going to be a handful as a kpp player. (hope thorp slides to the hawks though)
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Collingwood did send pick seven and Nixon to the Hawks for pick 10 so we should listen to Vinnie.
Would the Pies have drafted Lewis or Meesen with pick seven?
Would the Pies have drafted Lewis or Meesen with pick seven?
Back to the actual thread topic....
Shane Edwards has definitely grown in reputation since his showing at the draft camp. I know clubs are looking for natural players and not athletes but Edwards does have both. Very courageous ball winner and i reckon will be a surprise packet in the draft.
Shane Edwards has definitely grown in reputation since his showing at the draft camp. I know clubs are looking for natural players and not athletes but Edwards does have both. Very courageous ball winner and i reckon will be a surprise packet in the draft.
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Sellar is NOT a ruckman, he stated so himself. Is just used there because at the time he is the best option a team has had, generally as a backup only.
His illness resulted in him underperforming for much of the 2nd half of the season. What he can do he showed last year and the start of this year. Without a doubt he is a CHF and a very good and mobile one at that. Very strong hands/contested mark, good leap, solid motor, good pace and leadership and clean below the knees. He gets well beaten in the ruck at SANFL so no point trying to make him one at AFL he will get destroyed every week. Definitely a CHF who is every bit as good as Gumby/Hansen/Thorp when he is fit and firing. His past performances have shown that.
So basically anyone who gets him if he slides a bit is certainly getting a very very good player.
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I'd imagine if we wanted a slow rover or a ruckman we probably would have drafted Angus Monfries or Cameron Wood, both of whom were highly rated, and both of whom were available at our pick.In_Like_Flint said:Collingwood did send pick seven and Nixon to the Hawks for pick 10 so we should listen to Vinnie.
Would the Pies have drafted Lewis or Meesen with pick seven?
We wanted a tall, pacy wingman/flanker, which we got in Chris Egan. Luckily you guys cleared the board of Jordan Russell so we couldn't make that mistake
However, in this instance, we do not KNOW the players that are going to be drafted between #8 and #13, so we cannot comment on whether it is a good move or not.
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no players have grown in reputation. NONE.
what happens is that more information about what the people who matter really think leaks out into the public domain.
put another way, we find out a bit more about what the professionals have always thought. In no way, is a player becoming more highly regarded.
take last year for instance, Dale Thomas appeared to be a bolter - but in reality, those who thought he was a second rounder were just wrong. He did not go from second round prospect to no.2 overall - he was always in the top tier.
same thing will happen this year, more accurate information will reveal itself - the original positions on players were incorrect. again look at Joel Selwood, he was being neglected because of injury until one of the recruiters started talking about how they hadn't forget him - his rating was constant, our knowledge of his rating was not.
what happens is that more information about what the people who matter really think leaks out into the public domain.
put another way, we find out a bit more about what the professionals have always thought. In no way, is a player becoming more highly regarded.
take last year for instance, Dale Thomas appeared to be a bolter - but in reality, those who thought he was a second rounder were just wrong. He did not go from second round prospect to no.2 overall - he was always in the top tier.
same thing will happen this year, more accurate information will reveal itself - the original positions on players were incorrect. again look at Joel Selwood, he was being neglected because of injury until one of the recruiters started talking about how they hadn't forget him - his rating was constant, our knowledge of his rating was not.
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Daniel O Keefe is a f**king gun! Reads the ball better than anyone in the whole draft, very few would have better skills and even though he is not that tall is terrific overhead with a great football brain. He is a modest bloke and will make it a long way well i hope so anyway.
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Summed it up perfectly - I've been saying this is the case for a while now.Crow-mo said:
I mean, people somehow think that Dale Thomas jumped up from being a #21 pick to being a #2 pick in the time between draft camp and the draft based on what exact information?
The only things that I believe CAN cause players to move up and down slightly over that time period are the list lodgment and delistings, where clubs needs could potentially change slightly, and the continued review of tapes by the recruiters.
I have no doubt that right now, recruiters are simply watching every bit of footage of everyone on their draft board, making sure that they haven't missed anything, and that all of their assessments are accurate. However, someone is not going to be so impressed by someone on the second viewings of tapes that they push them up 20 places on their draft board.
It's amazing how much you see a game differently when you watch it with one specific player in mind.
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i believe tim houlihans star has risen lately as well as Shane Edwards..both due to oustanding draft camps although average carnivals..
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